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dogma wrote:

Karon wrote:The core of his argument is understandable. We need to change because what we are doing right now isn't working from his point of view.

However, then he goes insane and tells us irrelevent things like "WW2 WAS A WASTE OF TIME GAUIZ"

No gak, most Wars are. They rarely accomplish anything truly beneficial, but they happen.

I'm...so...damn...proud.


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Deadshane1 wrote: War's don't just happen, people make decisions and they occur. I guess the next Hitler that rolls along we'll just all hand over the key's to our car.

So long as you aren't "undesirable" that isn't a bad plan.

<3 <3

Deadshane, seeing as you ignored my post entirely, I'm going to drop out and say you are only engaging in arguments you think you can justify enough.

If you think that this man and his "movement" will do anything, then you are naive.

ph34r wrote:EDIT: And If you think "being informed" and "posting in Off-Topic" are enough to cause cognitive dissonance, well... I guess I'm just sad for you.

I'll use your own rudeness against you here. It seems to fit.

ph34r wrote: Nice logical fallacy. I know I shouldn't entertain you with a response... but hell, it makes me laugh

.. I under and appreciate, really, how frustrating it is when another poster just cannot or will not see exactly how right you really, truly are. We've all been there, probably on both sides of this particular dance.

But this does not give you free license to insult the other poster/s, be it through creative attempts to bypass the swear filter or by making general cracks about their understanding and intelligence.

So, please, stop doing it. Feel free to point out the flaws in the argument or presentation presented, or simply say why you don't feel that the idea(s) are workable.

Or, you know, shrug it off and move along.

Obliged.

Monster Rain wrote: I'll use your own rudeness against you here. It seems to fit.

You assume (incorrectly) that I "think I'm too cool to post here" (and how could you know what I think?), yet I "post here anyway". Would you care to support your (wrong) assessments? I would think not, because you are not psychic, feel free to impress me.

But hey, I get it. It's a lot easier to put words in my mouth than to actually form arguments. If you don't want to be coherent though, we are in fact in Off-Topic, and there are a million threads that don't necessitate being reasonable.

ph34r wrote:

Monster Rain wrote: I'll use your own rudeness against you here. It seems to fit.

You assume (incorrectly) that I "think I'm too cool to post here" (and how could you know what I think?), yet I "post here anyway". Would you care to support your (wrong) assessments? I would think not, because you are not psychic, feel free to impress me.

But hey, I get it. It's a lot easier to put words in my mouth than to actually form arguments. If you don't want to be coherent though, we are in fact in Off-Topic, and there are a million threads that don't necessitate being reasonable.

I don't know who you think you're kidding.

Anyway, when you grow out of this "I need to insult people who disagree with me" phase maybe you'll be taken a little more seriously. Sure, we were having a little fun with the video, but there was some discussion of it sprinkled in there. You took it to an extremely nasty and personal place.

ph34r wrote:You are trying to be more informed... by posting some complete nutter's video online, and hoping to learn from discussion by miniature wargamers on the internet???

ph34r wrote:I think that Dakka is a fine place to discuss topics.

When you can stop being hypocritical, we can discuss the actual issue. Too close to trolling for my tastes.

Deadshane1 wrote:

ph34r wrote:You are trying to be more informed... by posting some complete nutter's video online, and hoping to learn from discussion by miniature wargamers on the internet???

ph34r wrote:I think that Dakka is a fine place to discuss topics.

When you can stop being hypocritical, we can discuss the actual issue. Too close to trolling for my tastes.

Those are not mutually exclusive or indicative of cognitive dissonance. I think both of them, and I stand by both of those quotes.

Dakka is a fine place to discuss things. Are you going to learn from the discussions here, especially on one as immense as this Zeitgeist movement? Haha no.


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Monster Rain wrote:I don't know who you think you're kidding.

Anyway, when you grow out of this "I need to insult people who disagree with me" phase maybe you'll be taken a little more seriously. Sure, we were having a little fun with the video, but there was some discussion of it sprinkled in there. You took it to an extremely nasty and personal place.

You condemn insults, yet you yourself sling them around casually. After all, we were not discussing/quoting each other until you threw out a random insult at me. Did you forget about that? It was like 4 posts ago man.

ph34r wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

ph34r wrote:You are trying to be more informed... by posting some complete nutter's video online, and hoping to learn from discussion by miniature wargamers on the internet???

ph34r wrote:I think that Dakka is a fine place to discuss topics.

When you can stop being hypocritical, we can discuss the actual issue. Too close to trolling for my tastes.

Those are not mutually exclusive or indicative of cognitive dissonance. I think both of them, and I stand by both of those quotes.

Dakka is a fine place to discuss things. Are you going to learn from the discussions here, especially on one as immense as this Zeitgeist movement? Haha no.


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Monster Rain wrote:I don't know who you think you're kidding.

Anyway, when you grow out of this "I need to insult people who disagree with me" phase maybe you'll be taken a little more seriously. Sure, we were having a little fun with the video, but there was some discussion of it sprinkled in there. You took it to an extremely nasty and personal place.

You condemn insults, yet you yourself sling them around casually. After all, we were not discussing/quoting each other until you threw out a random insult at me. Did you forget about that? It was like 4 posts ago man.

I like the part when you insulted everyone's intelligence by basically saying us wargamers are too stupid to discuss something as fundamentally basic as 'breaking down society and eliminating all semblance of order is bad, bad, bad'. Oh what, you'd rather us have discussions like 'WICH SPARTAN DOS MARNEUS CALGER LOOK LIKE' all day?
Clearly you as the high-and-mighty internet tough guy are much, much smarter than everyone else because you have the power of contradiction.

ph34r wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:I don't know who you think you're kidding.

Anyway, when you grow out of this "I need to insult people who disagree with me" phase maybe you'll be taken a little more seriously. Sure, we were having a little fun with the video, but there was some discussion of it sprinkled in there. You took it to an extremely nasty and personal place.

You condemn insults, yet you yourself sling them around casually. After all, we were not discussing/quoting each other until you threw out a random insult at me. Did you forget about that? It was like 4 posts ago man.

Was it an insult, or commentary on someone's behavior?

And, if those two things are by necessity the same thing, perhaps someone should reevaluate the way they are interacting with people.

All hail Multivac!

I think this whole idea is nothing more than wishlisting and dream land thinking and not practical in any realistic way. Communism is a fantastic way of doing things in theory, as are many other political and social systems. But people are people, and no system is perfect. There will always be waste and imbalance no matter how well designed a system is.

You may as well say that it would be awesome if we could turn the solar system into a Dyson Sphere and harvest every drop of solar power from the sun to power a giant engine so we could fly around the universe and seduce all the sexy aliens.

ph34r wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

ph34r wrote:You are trying to be more informed... by posting some complete nutter's video online, and hoping to learn from discussion by miniature wargamers on the internet???

ph34r wrote:I think that Dakka is a fine place to discuss topics.

When you can stop being hypocritical, we can discuss the actual issue. Too close to trolling for my tastes.

Those are not mutually exclusive or indicative of cognitive dissonance. I think both of them, and I stand by both of those quotes.

Dakka is a fine place to discuss things. Are you going to learn from the discussions here, especially on one as immense as this Zeitgeist movement? Haha no.

Denial.

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I like the part when you insulted everyone's intelligence by basically saying us wargamers are too stupid to discuss something as fundamentally basic as 'breaking down society and eliminating all semblance of order is bad, bad, bad'. Oh what, you'd rather us have discussions like 'WICH SPARTAN DOS MARNEUS CALGER LOOK LIKE' all day?
Clearly you as the high-and-mighty internet tough guy are much, much smarter than everyone else because you have the power of contradiction.

Do you really think that a wargaming website will have a high population of members that are conveniently highly knowledgeable about these extremely high level concepts like global politics and resource use? If you do then I can understand your point of view. If you don't then I can't.


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Monster Rain wrote:Was it an insult, or commentary on someone's behavior?

And, if those two things are by necessity the same thing, perhaps someone should reevaluate the way they are interacting with people.

Good question. It was an insult. Very often insults are also commentaries on one's behavior, such as the insult you are trying to cover up. They are not by necessity. I think we both know that you know that.

I can make a "not insult" about you as well. If all it takes for you to be satisfied that something is not an insult, is that it is also a commentary on behavior, then feel free to not be offended by my saying that you are acting like an idiot.


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Deadshane1 wrote:

ph34r wrote:Those are not mutually exclusive or indicative of cognitive dissonance. I think both of them, and I stand by both of those quotes.

Dakka is a fine place to discuss things. Are you going to learn from the discussions here, especially on one as immense as this Zeitgeist movement? Haha no.

Denial.

Saying "Denial" is not an argument. Do you think that the wargaming community on DakkaDakka is a place that you are going to learn factual and well supported information about global politics and resource consumption? Again, maybe you do. If so I can see why you might think that a discussion here would be a good idea. I assert that this is in fact not a fit place to go if you truly want to learn about such things, but rather a degree and a career in politics or environmental engineering would be a fit way to learn.

The arrogance in this thread is cranked up to 11.

SilverMK2 wrote:You may as well say that it would be awesome if we could turn the solar system into a Dyson Sphere and harvest every drop of solar power from the sun to power a giant engine so we could fly around the universe and seduce all the sexy aliens.

I like the way you think.


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rubiksnoob wrote:The arrogance in this thread is cranked up to 11.

We might be able to hit 12 if we try hard.

ph34r wrote:Do you really think that a wargaming website will have a high population of members that are conveniently highly knowledgeable about these extremely high level concepts like global politics and resource use? If you do then I can understand your point of view. If you don't then I can't.


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ph34r wrote: Do you think that the wargaming community on DakkaDakka is a place that you are going to learn factual and well supported information about global politics and resource consumption? Again, maybe you do. If so I can see why you might think that a discussion here would be a good idea. I assert that this is in fact not a fit place to go if you truly want to learn about such things, but rather a degree and a career in politics or environmental engineering would be a fit way to learn.

Denial, trolling.


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ph34r wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:The arrogance in this thread is cranked up to 11.

We might be able to hit 12 if we try hard.

You've already hit 15....the level is an average.

Deadshane1 wrote:Denial, trolling.

Don't you find it a bit ironic to call someone else's well reasoned question denail and trolling, when you yourself are... denying? Trolling? Without even trying to explain or support yourself.

It's the internet equivalent of a 5 year old going "la la la can't hear you any more!"

ph34r wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

ph34r wrote:Those are not mutually exclusive or indicative of cognitive dissonance. I think both of them, and I stand by both of those quotes.

Dakka is a fine place to discuss things. Are you going to learn from the discussions here, especially on one as immense as this Zeitgeist movement? Haha no.

Denial.

Saying "Denial" is not an argument. Do you think that the wargaming community on DakkaDakka is a place that you are going to learn factual and well supported information about global politics and resource consumption? Again, maybe you do. If so I can see why you might think that a discussion here would be a good idea. I assert that this is in fact not a fit place to go if you truly want to learn about such things, but rather a degree and a career in politics or environmental engineering would be a fit way to learn.

Although dakka may not be the absolute best place to discuss such topics, it has two things going for it:

1. The majority of posters on this board display a general willingness to debate and discuss things in a far more civilized and intelligent manner than the rest of the internet.

2. It is somewhat more accessible than your suggestion of obtaining a degree in politics or environmental engineering. People generally don't run off and get a degree in everything that they enjoy having intelligent discussion about.

ph34r wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:You may as well say that it would be awesome if we could turn the solar system into a Dyson Sphere and harvest every drop of solar power from the sun to power a giant engine so we could fly around the universe and seduce all the sexy aliens.

I like the way you think.

Hands off lads... this one's mine!

ph34r wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:Denial, trolling.

Don't you find it a bit ironic to call someone else's well reasoned question denail and trolling, when you yourself are... denying? Trolling? Without even trying to explain or support yourself.

It's the internet equivalent of a 5 year old going "la la la can't hear you any more!"

Tit for tat.

rubiksnoob wrote:

ph34r wrote:Saying "Denial" is not an argument. Do you think that the wargaming community on DakkaDakka is a place that you are going to learn factual and well supported information about global politics and resource consumption? Again, maybe you do. If so I can see why you might think that a discussion here would be a good idea. I assert that this is in fact not a fit place to go if you truly want to learn about such things, but rather a degree and a career in politics or environmental engineering would be a fit way to learn.

Although dakka may not be the absolute best place to discuss such topics, it has two things going for it:

1. The majority of posters on this board display a general willingness to debate and discuss things in a far more civilized and intelligent manner than the rest of the internet.

2. It is somewhat more accessible than your suggestion of obtaining a degree in politics or environmental engineering. People generally don't run off and get a degree in everything that they enjoy having intelligent discussion about.

Those points are both true. The problem still remains, even if you have a community full of posters willing to debate, what value is that for learning on a topic like this that is, as you said, not very accessible to most? We can debate all we want, but nobody in here is knowledgeable on the topic or a valid authority.

@Silver

Something about that image seems NSFW.

ph34r wrote:but nobody in here is knowledgeable on the topic or a valid authority.

'Hey guys, apparently I'm not nobody and everyone else is stupid.'
Seriously, I talk gak about video games and politics all day long. Do you think I need a degree in game programming or political science to do that? No.
Fun Fact: POTUS went to Harvard, and can't speak without a teleprompter or he sounds like he has Alzheimers'.

Deadshane1 wrote:Tit for tat.

Now I really do think you're trolling. Are you not satisfied by my reasoning that Dakka is not the best place to learn PhD level topics?


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Mr. Self Destruct wrote:

ph34r wrote:but nobody in here is knowledgeable on the topic or a valid authority.

'Hey guys, apparently I'm not nobody and everyone else is stupid.'

I'm definitely not an authority on the topic. I cannot teach you global politics and global resource consumption. A university and a career can do that.

ph34r wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:

ph34r wrote:Saying "Denial" is not an argument. Do you think that the wargaming community on DakkaDakka is a place that you are going to learn factual and well supported information about global politics and resource consumption? Again, maybe you do. If so I can see why you might think that a discussion here would be a good idea. I assert that this is in fact not a fit place to go if you truly want to learn about such things, but rather a degree and a career in politics or environmental engineering would be a fit way to learn.

Although dakka may not be the absolute best place to discuss such topics, it has two things going for it:

1. The majority of posters on this board display a general willingness to debate and discuss things in a far more civilized and intelligent manner than the rest of the internet.

2. It is somewhat more accessible than your suggestion of obtaining a degree in politics or environmental engineering. People generally don't run off and get a degree in everything that they enjoy having intelligent discussion about.

Those points are both true. The problem still remains, even if you have a community full of posters willing to debate, what value is that for learning on a topic like this that is, as you said, not very accessible to most? We can debate all we want, but nobody in here is knowledgeable on the topic or a valid authority.

If this thread is such a waste of time as you're implying...shouldn't you go "engineer" something?

Why don't you let the rest of us stupid inept dakka posters spout off our mindless opinions about things we cannot understand. You're far too intelligent to be mired in this swamp of retardedness.

ph34r, unless you think that you are uniquely intelligent (which would be, frankly, risible - and probably insane), then surely you wouldn't discount the possibility that there may be other OT posters who may indeed be knowledgeable on a variety of topics, indeed, who may even be able to teach you something. I mean, we have teachers, lawyers, civil servants, artists, musicians, soldiers, scientists...

YOU ARE NOT A UNIQUE AND BEAUTIFUL SNOWFLAKE.

Sorry, sweetheart. Zeitgeist does appear to be pretty fething wacky, though.

Deadshane1 wrote:@Silver

Something about that image seems NSFW.

That would be the raw, unrelenting sex appeal.

ph34r wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Was it an insult, or commentary on someone's behavior?

And, if those two things are by necessity the same thing, perhaps someone should reevaluate the way they are interacting with people.

Good question. It was an insult. Very often insults are also commentaries on one's behavior, such as the insult you are trying to cover up. They are not by necessity. I think we both know that you know that.

I can make a "not insult" about you as well. If all it takes for you to be satisfied that something is not an insult, is that it is also a commentary on behavior, then feel free to not be offended by my saying that you are acting like an idiot.

I'm not though, that's the difference. Now you're just lashing out because you've been caught with your pants down.

If someone is acting like a jerk, and gets called on it, the fault is with the person who is being a jerk not the one that points out their antisocial and frankly embarrassing to watch behavior.

ph34r wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:

ph34r wrote:Saying "Denial" is not an argument. Do you think that the wargaming community on DakkaDakka is a place that you are going to learn factual and well supported information about global politics and resource consumption? Again, maybe you do. If so I can see why you might think that a discussion here would be a good idea. I assert that this is in fact not a fit place to go if you truly want to learn about such things, but rather a degree and a career in politics or environmental engineering would be a fit way to learn.

Although dakka may not be the absolute best place to discuss such topics, it has two things going for it:

1. The majority of posters on this board display a general willingness to debate and discuss things in a far more civilized and intelligent manner than the rest of the internet.

2. It is somewhat more accessible than your suggestion of obtaining a degree in politics or environmental engineering. People generally don't run off and get a degree in everything that they enjoy having intelligent discussion about.

Those points are both true. The problem still remains, even if you have a community full of posters willing to debate, what value is that for learning on a topic like this that is, as you said, not very accessible to most? We can debate all we want, but nobody in here is knowledgeable on the topic or a valid authority.

Urrr. . . maybe us mortals enjoy discussing things that we don't all have doctorates in from time to time? I'm sorry, but I don't see what you've got your pretty little panties all in a knot about.

ph34r wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:Tit for tat.

Now I really do think you're trolling. Are you not satisfied by my reasoning that Dakka is not the best place to learn PhD level topics?

No, im not.

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:Seriously, I talk gak about video games and politics all day long. Do you think I need a degree in game programming or political science to do that? No.
Fun Fact: POTUS went to Harvard, and can't speak without a teleprompter or he sounds like he has Alzheimers'.

I'm not trying to take away your God given right to talk about things. I will however tell you that if you want to learn about serious topics, you're not going to do so here.