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dogma wrote:Crystal Dragon Jesus.

May the Crone grant us wisdom.

Seriously, is there a more fun site than tvtropes? I can spend hours there if I'm not careful.

I'm a final year Biology student (Parasitology) at University and I don't honestly see how this can work. I assume on an engineering basis its impossible as said before; but on a biological basis its even more impossible.

dogma wrote:Normal people don't postulate "contests" of socialization.

Normal people also don't say "If someone is acting like a jerk, and gets called on it, the fault is with the person who is being a jerk not the one that points out their antisocial and frankly embarrassing to watch behavior."

But this is the internet, and if Monster Rain thinks it's okay to start dissing, I'm going to burn him back. Maybe it was too mean, but I have a pretty high level of "don't care" on this matter.


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Mr Hyena wrote:I'm a final year Biology student (Parasitology) at University and I don't honestly see how this can work. I assume on an engineering basis its impossible as said before; but on a biological basis its even more impossible.

Yep, the thing is quite often people who want sweeping changes are uninformed on the thing they want to change.

ph34r wrote:Normal people also don't say "If someone is acting like a jerk, and gets called on it, the fault is with the person who is being a jerk not the one that points out their antisocial and frankly embarrassing to watch behavior."

But this is the internet, and if Monster Rain thinks it's okay to start dissing, I'm going to burn him back. Maybe it was too mean, but I have a pretty high level of "don't care" on this matter.

Well, the issue wasn't that it was mean, so much as it was:

A: Not funny, you can say just about anything if its funny.

B: An odd reaction given that the initial insult was what one might call "banter" from a poster known to banter.

C: Dripping with irony. Delicious, delicious irony.

ph34r wrote:

dogma wrote:Normal people don't postulate "contests" of socialization.

Normal people also don't say "If someone is acting like a jerk, and gets called on it, the fault is with the person who is being a jerk not the one that points out their antisocial and frankly embarrassing to watch behavior."

Yup, and if the description of said person's behavior as being "jerk like" is accurate, then that statement is 100% true.

You realize that if you hadn't insulted Deadshane1 and the entire forum without provocation and then proceeded to troll the thread into oblivion we wouldn't be even having this conversation, right? Either way, I'm going to stop responding to you in hopes that the OP's thread can get back on track.

dogma wrote:Well, the issue wasn't that it was mean, so much as it was:

A: Not funny, you can say just about anything if its funny.

B: An odd reaction given that the initial insult was what one might call "banter" from a poster known to banter.

C: Dripping with irony. Delicious, delicious irony.

The internet is not socializing. Nothing one talks about with random strangers on the internet will impact how sociable they actually are. I've got nobody to impress on here, and care zero if someone on this forum does not like me.


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Monster Rain wrote:Yup, and if the description of said person's behavior as being "jerk like" is accurate, then that statement is 100% true.

You realize that if you hadn't insulted Deadshane1 and the entire forum without provocation and then proceeded to troll the thread into oblivion we wouldn't be even having this conversation, right? Either way, I'm going to stop responding to you in hopes that the OP's thread can get back on track.

Hahaha, I love it when you make things up. I never insulted the entire forum. This forum is awesome, as are 99.99% of its denizens. I've certainly insulted you, as you are just so easy to insult what with your throwing out insults and logical fallacies like candy. You probably deserve a fair bit more insulting, so feel free to imagine ways in which I might make fun of all your insecurities.

ph34r wrote:The internet is not socializing. Nothing one talks about with random strangers on the internet will impact how sociable they actually are. I've got nobody to impress on here, and care zero if someone on this forum does not like me.

Well, unless this is some cruel brain-in-a-vat experiment there are people responding to my words, which entails social interaction, so I'm not really sure what you're on about (that's a lie).

Either way, you seem to care enough to engage in a thread that has become largely about the opinions others hold about you, and even to state that you don't care. The funny thing is that, unless you're a sociopath (and often even then), everyone cares about what other people think of them. Its a survival response in terms of society, and basally in terms of determining whether or not thing X wants to eat you, or rollick through the idyllic fields.

ph34r wrote:Normal people also don't say "If someone is acting like a jerk, and gets called on it, the fault is with the person who is being a jerk not the one that points out their antisocial and frankly embarrassing to watch behavior."

But this is the internet, and if Monster Rain thinks it's okay to start dissing, I'm going to burn him back. Maybe it was too mean, but I have a pretty high level of "don't care" on this matter.

Seriously though, let the OP live with his fantasies, and stop insulting eachother.

This thread has lost all discussion value due to trolling and just general dickery.

Which is too bad, these are very important topics that should be addressed, and by everyone. The video is just an entry point to discussion. It doesn't matter who is discussing it or where, how intelligent they are, their academic qualifications, whether they push toy soldiers around the table-top or not, etc. What matters is building a better world, and if it takes some far-out thoughts to get the ball rolling, then lets have 'em. Its called brainstorming!

Looking around at the world today, I can't help but feel that some fundamental changes are coming in the way we live on this planet. It will be a combination of us choosing to change our systems and change being forced upon us. Climate-change, wealth imbalance, commercialization of lifeforms, ludicrous levels of weaponry and warmaking - the list goes on, and there are alot of things that need change because they are unsustainable in the long run.

That kind of change will be bottom-up: moms and dads and sons and daughters will demand of our leaders that things be done diffently. It won't have anything to do with 'phd-level topics', but with how everyone lives their daily lives. Did the people in Egypt or Libya who faced down bullets all have phd's? No, but they imagined a different world, and put their lives on the line to bring it about.

Now maybe I'll watch the video I'll get back to you

dogma wrote:

ph34r wrote:The internet is not socializing. Nothing one talks about with random strangers on the internet will impact how sociable they actually are. I've got nobody to impress on here, and care zero if someone on this forum does not like me.

Well, unless this is some cruel brain-in-a-vat experiment there are people responding to my words, which entails social interaction, so I'm not really sure what you're on about (that's a lie).

Either way, you seem to care enough to engage in a thread that has become largely about the opinions others hold about you, and even to state that you don't care. The funny thing is that, unless you're a sociopath (and often even then), everyone cares about what other people think of them. Its a survival response in terms of society, and basally in terms of determining whether or not thing X wants to eat you, or rollick through the idyllic fields.

It was probably stretching the truth to say that I care "zero" about what others think about me on the internet, but believe me, the amount that I care that people like me in real life, face to face situations is on a whole different level. And it's true that technically any sort of interaction is socialization, but I would not call real life interaction and internet stranger interaction nearly the same.
Of course this is a brain-in-a-vat experiment.


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murdog wrote:Which is too bad, these are very important topics that should be addressed, and by everyone. The video is just an entry point to discussion. It doesn't matter who is discussing it or where, how intelligent they are, their academic qualifications, whether they push toy soldiers around the table-top or not, etc. What matters is building a better world, and if it takes some far-out thoughts to get the ball rolling, then lets have 'em. Its called brainstorming!

Looking around at the world today, I can't help but feel that some fundamental changes are coming in the way we live on this planet. It will be a combination of us choosing to change our systems and change being forced upon us. Climate-change, wealth imbalance, commercialization of lifeforms, ludicrous levels of weaponry and warmaking - the list goes on, and there are alot of things that need change because they are unsustainable in the long run.

That kind of change will be bottom-up: moms and dads and sons and daughters will demand of our leaders that things be done diffently. It won't have anything to do with 'phd-level topics', but with how everyone lives their daily lives. Did the people in Egypt or Libya who faced down bullets all have phd's? No, but they imagined a different world, and put their lives on the line to bring it about.

Now maybe I'll watch the video I'll get back to you

What is most important is that while yes, the video is indeed a good entry to discussion about issues, some of which the video presents actually exist. However, the video does more harm than good, as all the ways it proposes to "fix" perceived "problems" are actually actively bad.

If we get a bit more focused than the video, and get to the topic of actual, real problems, I'm sure that we could have a productive discussion. Just not "so guys, let's debate and decide whether or not reorganizing the world everything is good or bad, on an internet forum".

ph34r wrote:....but I would not call real life interaction and internet stranger interaction nearly the same.

You just did.

I'm just not sure what you are complaining about. If you don't agree that this is a good place for this discussion, or that the discussion is worthwhile, why are you in here? Maybe some of us do want to 'debate and decide reorganizing the world everything is good or bad on an internet forum'. If you don't agree, find a different thread to post in. You are ruining the thread.

dogma wrote:

ph34r wrote:....but I would not call real life interaction and internet stranger interaction nearly the same.

You just did.

Do you not understand what I said? Though technically by the definition of the word both could be considered similar, in practice I assert that they are not nearly the same. Does that make sense?


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murdog wrote:I'm just not sure what you are complaining about. If you don't agree that this is a good place for this discussion, or that the discussion is worthwhile, why are you in here? Maybe some of us do want to 'debate and decide reorganizing the world everything is good or bad on an internet forum'. If you don't agree, find a different thread to post in. You are ruining the thread.

The thread was ruined at post 1. But hey, if you actually believe the nutcase in the OP's video, feel free to make another thread about it.

EDIT: And the reason that I post in this thread even though I don't think that this is a good place to discuss reordering the entirety of human everything on earth? I am knowledgeable enough to know that the person in Zeitgeist is completely off-base. I am not knowledgeable enough to talk about how one might implement his ideas, luckily his ideas are all blatantly terrible so I don't need to go into detail about how to make them all workable.

ph34r wrote:The thread was ruined at post 1. But hey, if you actually believe the nutcase in the OP's video, feel free to make another thread about it.

LOLWTFBBQ! I post a video for discussion, you come in and totally derail it, then tell peeps if they want to they can go make another thread about it and discuss it there? That's logic.

.....luckily his ideas are all blatantly terrible so I don't need to go into detail about how to make them all workable.

You havent gone into any detail. Your idea of condemning this entire video is equivalant to saying "it's stupid" with no reason why.

BTW...if you watch the video, the whole thing is NOT just about creating a new way of life...it's also an analysis of the human condition, politics, money and several other things.

ph34r wrote:Do you not understand what I said? Though technically by the definition of the word both could be considered similar, in practice I assert that they are not nearly the same. Does that make sense?

Yes, I understand that you want to evade the consequences of your actions.

dogma wrote:

ph34r wrote:Do you not understand what I said? Though technically by the definition of the word both could be considered similar, in practice I assert that they are not nearly the same. Does that make sense?

Yes, I understand that you want to evade the consequences of your actions.

Haha funny joke


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Deadshane1 wrote:LOLWTFBBQ! I post a video for discussion, you come in and totally derail it, then tell peeps if they want to they can go make another thread about it and discuss it there? That's logic.

Well, he figured that this thread was ruined. If it is making a new one would solve that problem eh?

ph34r wrote:The thread was ruined at post 1. But hey, if you actually believe the nutcase in the OP's video, feel free to make another thread about it.

EDIT: And the reason that I post in this thread even though I don't think that this is a good place to discuss reordering the entirety of human everything on earth? I am knowledgeable enough to know that the person in Zeitgeist is completely off-base. I am not knowledgeable enough to talk about how one might implement his ideas, luckily his ideas are all blatantly terrible so I don't need to go into detail about how to make them all workable.

So. You've responded to the summary of the topic. Even though you thought it wasn't worth discussing right from the first post. Thats because you think all the ideas are blatantly terrible. Also, you aren't knowledgeable enough to talk in detail about how they would be implemented anyways. Are you done here then?

I didn't figure the thread was ruined, I said you are ruining it.

murdog wrote:So. You've responded to the summary of the topic. Even though you thought it wasn't worth discussing right from the first post. Thats because you think all the ideas are blatantly terrible. Also, you aren't knowledgeable enough to talk in detail about how they would be implemented anyways. Are you done here then?

I didn't figure the thread was ruined, I said you are ruining it.

1. Yes
2. I honestly can say that I did not think anyone would actually defend the person from the Zeitgeist video. Apparently I was wrong
3. Yes, they are. Do you disagree?
4. Almost nobody is. That's why his ideas are so terrible.
5. I don't know, are you?

6. Boo hoo wah. People have opinions that differ from yours. People justify their opinions and you complain that they ruin threads. What would you rather do here, wildly speculate about how we should completely revamp the human race while none of us has any idea what the feth we are talking about?

Without getting involved in this argument, this video is nuttier than a squirrel turd.

This seems to be a movement in the same sense that what I had for dinner will soon be a movement.

I'm sure this has been most informative for everyone.