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What do you think about truly independent human states in the 40k universe?
Do they exist or every human planet in the Galaxy belongs either to Imperium or Chaos or Tau?

You seem to have missed out Orks and Eldar...
Incidentally yeah, there are independant worlds out there.

Humans may be used by Orks and Eldar (Dark Eldar) only as slaves, and there is no Ork or Dark Eldar world (DE worlds simply don't exist) with significant human population. Orks usually have Grots as slaves and prefer to kill humans in da good fight, and Dark Eldar always bring their tortured human or non-human slaves to Commorragh.
But why there is so little canon information about independent worlds? If some planet is free from the Imperium, it usually falls to Chaos, but in disguised forms.

Sorry what counts as a Human world?
Because anything owned by Chaos, I wouldn't call a human world. Same for anything owned by the Tau...
There are independant human worlds and probably small empires floating about.
I don't know why there is so little on independant worlds. Maybe because no one has written any...
Thugh it might have something to do with the fact that most accounts in the 40k world are Imperial accounts.

If a human world is found by the IoM it is subjugated. If it remains hidden I suppose it could remain independent from Chaos and the IoM

There are even some worlds that get long periods of "independence" even when they're technically part of the Imperium. The planet Grissen managed to get away with being in a state of civil war with no Imperial intervention until someone noticed they hadn't paid their taxes for 8000 years.

Other Human civilizations have been shown in the past. Most seem to be very advanced technology as they're free from the Imperium's backwardness. The Interex was such a state, fighting the Imperium during the Great Crusade

More recently there was a Human civilization Adrantis Five, whose technology was so advanced the Imperium described it as sorcery. They were all but wiped out in the Macarius Crusade.

More human civilizations exist out there, they're just undiscovered. The sheer size of the Galaxy all but guarantees this. Personally I think another non-Imperial human faction would do the game some good, though it's hard to make such a faction without it ending up like the Tau.

There was a Matrix like world mentioned in the 3rd edition timeline, with humans serving a massive world-sized machine.

Not exactly independent, and they got nuked byu the IOM anyway, but hey..


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The IOM declared any tech that's more advanced than the IOM as sorcery. Needless to say all xenos races, just about, are sorcerors


Rimmer: Their technology is far in advance of our own.

Lister: So is the Albanian State washing machine company...

(Legion)

One of the 40k novels following the misadventures of a space marine chapter being hunted talks about a human empire that has never even heard of the imperium. They were never found by the imperium because they settled in a region of space that does not allow warp travel and is shrouded from view. Unfortunately for them they awoke the necros sleeping under their worlds and was down to one planet in the process of being wiped out.

So anywhere agents of the Imperium can not or will not reach there can be independent empires.

ZatGuy wrote:One of the 40k novels following the misadventures of a space marine chapter being hunted talks about a human empire that has never even heard of the imperium. They were never found by the imperium because they settled in a region of space that does not allow warp travel and is shrouded from view. Unfortunately for them they awoke the necros sleeping under their worlds and was down to one planet in the process of being wiped out.

So anywhere agents of the Imperium can not or will not reach there can be independent empires.

Hellforged...
The Soul Drinkers get royally f*cked by fate throughout their existance...

purplefood wrote:Hellforged...
The Soul Drinkers get royally f*cked by fate throughout their existance...

I could not help but feel that the Soul Drinkers deserved everything they got, and more. Without a doubt the Black Library books I have enjoyed the least.

UselessSage wrote:

purplefood wrote:Hellforged...
The Soul Drinkers get royally f*cked by fate throughout their existance...

I could not help but feel that the Soul Drinkers deserved everything they got, and more. Without a doubt the Black Library books I have enjoyed the least.

They kinda deserved it and kinda didn't...
Still, could be worse.

Yes, there's many independant human worlds. The IoM discovers them all the time.

Humanity lost millions of worlds after the AoS. Some of them have never been discovered, and Imperial missionaries discovered some of them from time to time. Some of them join the Imperium while some wage war against them. I wouldn't be surprised if our Earth is lost colony to.

Terra is the original, not a colony. And missionaries don't discovery worlds they just show up soon after they've been discovered by Explorators or Rogue Traders.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Terra is the original, not a colony. And missionaries don't discovery worlds they just show up soon after they've been discovered by Explorators or Rogue Traders.

The Imperial terra is actually located in the wrong place.

we are here.



The Imperium is located too close to the Center of the Galaxy.

Your map is terribly incorrect.

http://mrborden.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/milky_way_arms.jpg

This is the 40k Galaxy:

http://www.cold-moon.com/40k/40k_starmap.htm

Terra/Earth is nowhere near the center of the galaxy.

Psienesis wrote:Your map is terribly incorrect.

http://mrborden.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/milky_way_arms.jpg

This is the 40k Galaxy:

http://www.cold-moon.com/40k/40k_starmap.htm

Terra/Earth is nowhere near the center of the galaxy.

yes it is you just proved my point. In the 40k map terra is closer to the center of the galaxy.

Considering all the references to actual places on Earth, Terra being in the wrong location is just GW getting it wrong.

Asherian Command wrote:yes it is you just proved my point. In the 40k map terra is closer to the center of the galaxy.

Mars.

UselessSage wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:yes it is you just proved my point. In the 40k map terra is closer to the center of the galaxy.

Mars.

mars and terra are in the same solar system.
My science teacher who was a 40k player couldn't believe how bad the geography of the solar system was.

purplefood wrote:

UselessSage wrote:

purplefood wrote:Hellforged...
The Soul Drinkers get royally f*cked by fate throughout their existance...

I could not help but feel that the Soul Drinkers deserved everything they got, and more. Without a doubt the Black Library books I have enjoyed the least.

They kinda deserved it and kinda didn't...
Still, could be worse.

It is about to get worse.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Warhammer-40000/coming-soon/phalanx.html

Maybe Malcador and his crowd moved the whole solar system too


Did that sound fanboy enough? I can ramp it up as need be



I think its just GW incompetence in regards to real world physics.. or possibly ye olde alternative reality...

The incorrect position of Terra is just a goof by GW. Clearly Terra = Earth, it's even called Earth interchangeably in rulebooks/codex's on multiple occasions. It has a moon called Luna and is in the same system as Mars, Saturn, Titan, etc..

UselessSage wrote:

purplefood wrote:

UselessSage wrote:

purplefood wrote:Hellforged...
The Soul Drinkers get royally f*cked by fate throughout their existance...

I could not help but feel that the Soul Drinkers deserved everything they got, and more. Without a doubt the Black Library books I have enjoyed the least.

They kinda deserved it and kinda didn't...
Still, could be worse.

It is about to get worse.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Warhammer-40000/coming-soon/phalanx.html

this thread is about independent humans please keep those offtopic please thank you.
Anyway the imperium has encountered a few there are a ton of them on the borders of the ghoul stars and the northern galaxy.

It's also a fictional universe where Earth could just be closer to the Center for no reason at all other than GW wants it there. >.>


to the OP: I remember a Story in Bringers of Death, involving an Independent planet that was attacked by Orks. Space Marines showed up at the nick of time and saved the day, the main character was shipped away to be mindwiped or was a latent psyker and was shipped to Terra to be coal for the Golden Throne ( I forget which one it was), but the story was Xenocide by Simon Jowett.

On the location of Earth: 40,000 years of Stellar Drift would account for a tiny bit of that.

On independent human worlds: Most are lost, feral worlds that have simply been forgotten about. Rogue Traders spend a good amount of time rediscovering them.

You have to remember the IoM considers earth the center of the universe for religious reasons. Just like the Vatican back in the day. Their maps reflect that bias. During the cold war The USSR appeared enormous on USSR maps whilst at the same time the USA appeared gigantic on USA maps.


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Even simple geography can be victim to politics.

Iur_tae_mont wrote:It's also a fictional universe where Earth could just be closer to the Center for no reason at all other than GW wants it there. >.>

You guys do know that Earth is following the Sun who is also traveling around the galaxy? We will not be in roughly same position in some 38.000 years in what we are today. Nothin in this universe is stationary ( except the universe itself but we don't know that - yet ). Galaxies travel across space, Suns are traveling in great spirals around it's galaxy while it's planets are following her. The only thing is that this process is VERY slow even by our standards.

The solar system is moving, yes.

Teleporting inwards towards core in an expanding galaxy, in only 38000 years?

No.

On a galactic timescale that's barely more than an eyeblink.