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What are the advantages and disadvantages in either tech compared to each other?

In my opinion they are basically equal, Necron have advantages in strength and space travel speed while Eldar have advantage in speed and Webway.

The main difference is Eldar tech is based around psychic ability derived from the Immaterium whereas Necron is based on the powers of the materium, they're like opposite sides of the same coin.

From what Iv'e seen current Necron tech comes off as better though, much more efficient means of travel and more powerful weapons (from a fluff perspective).

Read the Necron Codex fluff.

They beat the Old Ones who then F'ed up and split the Immaterium open. Their technology beats the Eldar (dumbed down Old Ones) by a lot.

And if you try and argue this one, the Necron went into hibernation to conserve energy, because the ENSLAVERS, were killing everything else.

Also, if you read the Necron fluff, it says that the C'tan allowed the Necron to "cross the galaxy in the blink of an eye" which is as fast as the Webway.

The Eldar also do not draw power from the Immaterium, they borrow it from the souls of their dead ancestors.

Necron tech was superior to Old One tech before they even knew what a "C'tan" was.

Necron technology is unparalleled in 40k.

Their basic weapon is basically a sub-atomic vacuum cleaner, pulling you apart molecular layer by molecular layer.

Their ships have the most efficient method of traveling in the galaxy, their Inertialess Drives allowing them to speed to any point in the galaxy nigh-instantaneously. Even when not using the Drives, it is directly stated in the Necron codex that the speed of a Necron ship rivals the Eldar, while also possessing more firepower and durability, though being less maneuverable.

Take a look at the World Engine, and Iori Delta Tove. Two massive planet-sized ships, the first being a war machine (That may also be a mobile Tomb World) that blasted planets barren and dominated the fleet of an entire sub-sector and detachments of Space Marines, requiring almost a full chapter to sacrifice itself so it may disarm its shields. Iori Delta Tove traveled between the stars and could rewrite the very fabric of time itself while dormant.

Eldar technology has an advantage in that its Immaterium based, but Necrons are able to achieve even greater effects with their mastery of space/time in the Materium.

The Necrontyr didn't have tech before the Old Ones. The C'Tan gave the Necrontyr their tech.

The Necron space ships are without question the fastest vessels in the 40k universe. They traveled from the outer edges of the galaxy to Mars before anything could mobilize to stop them.
Only one ship was hit by the Imperials and the other Necrons turnned around and destroyed it before the Imps could fire a second volley.
Even Mars was unable to target the remaining two Necron ships until they slowed down in the huge trench on the surface. And it took the combined firepower of every able weapon in sight to destroy the last ship.
Which was only inches from making planetfall.

Eldar Craftworlds disguise themselves as stars. Necron ships consume stars.

Eldar fire little metal discs. Necrons absorb matter and convert it into energy.

If you read about the Jokearo it says that they have a natural understanding of extremely complicated technologies that defie logic. The Necrons probably use the same tech.

DeffDred wrote:The Necrontyr didn't have tech before the Old Ones. The C'Tan gave the Necrontyr their tech

Not so.

"The terrible wars which followed could fill a library in their own right, but the Necrontyr could never win. Their superior technology was consistently outmaneuvered by the Old Ones thanks to their mastery of the Webway portals."

- Necron codex, page 24

Though the C'tan did improve their technology.

Necrontyr hadn't left their world until after the C'Tan saved them from their sun. They couldn't have been involved in any wars prior to the C'Tan involvement. It was the C'Tan who revealed to the Necrontyr the pleasant lives of the other races of which they became jelous. They made the pact with the C'Tan to become their metal weapons againts the creations of the Old Ones.

DeffDred wrote:Necrontyr hadn't left their world until after the C'Tan saved them from their sun. They couldn't have been involved in any wars prior to the C'Tan involvement. It was the C'Tan who revealed to the Necrontyr the pleasant lives of the other races of which they became jelous. They made the pact with the C'Tan to become their metal weapons againts the creations of the Old Ones.

Someone didn't bother to read the actual Necron codex, did they

They slowly expanded from their original star system to far distant star systems via torch ships and stasis crypts (sleeper ships,, basically) and ran into the Old Ones and their minions.

They were butthurt about their short lives compared to the Old One's seeming immortality centuries before they awoke the CTan. It took them a while to find the way to bring them into their Necrodermis shells. They didn't so much envy the other races as feel anger that they got screwed by comparison.

They fought a long and bloody war against the Old Ones out of pure pissyness in the time before they discovered the Ctan and were finally beaten back to a corner of space, despite having superior technology, because the Old Ones and their creations were far more numerous and could outmaneuver them via the webway, which the Necrontyr lacked.

They had millenia after this defeat (and then being basically ignored by the Old Ones) to improve their already awesome tech base (FTL Drives, Gauss etc likely developed in this time, but the storyline doesn't specify) and discover and awaken the Ctan to use for their revenge on the Old Ones. In this time they went from hot anger to cold hatred of all life, which the Ctan exploited to get them to accept their 'business proposition' willingly, out of sheer spite

It's all on pg 24-25 Necron codex. Lexicanum and similar 40K wikis often get it wrong.

DeffDred wrote:Necrontyr hadn't left their world until after the C'Tan saved them from their sun. They couldn't have been involved in any wars prior to the C'Tan involvement. It was the C'Tan who revealed to the Necrontyr the pleasant lives of the other races of which they became jelous. They made the pact with the C'Tan to become their metal weapons againts the creations of the Old Ones.

While this makes more sense its a simple fact that the codex states that the Necrontyr had superior technology to the Old Ones. That said, I think its very plausible that the Eldar, at least at their peak had tech that outmatched the Old Ones

Pretty even, see the War In Heaven.

Correction on an earlier point, also.

The last Shroud class light cruiser above Mars wasn't stopped inches above Martian soil. It landed at the Noctis Labyrintus before being destroyed. -Pg 11 Necron codex.

The codex entry doesn't sepcify when and where each of the other ships were destroyed, just that the defensive forces on Mars coudln't catch up to them until they were landing at that site. (guess that does give us where, as none had been destroyed by that point in the codex story)

What was your source on the IOM fleet tagging one of the 5 before that, as i'd love more details on the event

The NecronBFG rules explain the entire flight to Mars.

A link there to those who cannot find it- http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1280011_BFG_Necron_and_Tyranid_Fleets.pdf

Thanks for that. I'll have to check it out when i get home


Interesting stuff, but i'm not seeing any detail in the assault on Mars, except that it happened and the date under the Shroud entry.

Is it in another part of the BFG rules/fluff?

They both appear as MAAHH-gic to outsiders.

The Eldar are psychi-tuned technically and the warp is an anathema to the C'Tan and their followers.

Uhlan wrote:They both appear as MAAHH-gic to outsiders.

The Eldar are psychi-tuned technically and the warp is an anathema to the C'Tan and their followers.

They merely lack understanding of the warp ( which makes warpbased attacks the most reliable against them ) but your average Necron won't be more vulnerable to warp based powers than your average human.

They'd be less vulnerable, really.

Telepathic attacks won't work on Necrons realistically, for example. They lack both a connection to the Warp, or even a brain for that matter. Or a mind, in most cases, actually.

C'tan however are weak (Relatively) to pure Warp energies.

a·nath·e·mas Plural

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It means they don't like the stuff, nit that they explode if they touch it

That doesn't really change the fact that the only thing that can kill a C'tan short of another C'tan is a massive amount of Warp energy, like from a Blackstone Fortress.

Then again a fleet firing on the Void Dragon failed to kill it...

Though, you may have been referring to the Warp being referred to as "anathema" to the Necrons, not the C'tan. If so disregard.

The necrons, by and large.

I'm well aware of the fact that hitting Ctan with warpy goodness makes them itch something fierce It's still a bit theoretical as to whether it could actually kill one though, as it's never to my knowledge been fully tested

I don't believe any Ctan has ever BEEN killed by massive amounts of warp energy, in the fluff? I think all the Ctan deaths were at Ctan hands. Not saying it's not possible, but i don't think it's happened yet.

Right now I think it's mostly theoretical, IIRC a Blackstone Fortress hasn't actually killed a C'tan yet, at least, if it has, it has not been directly mentioned doing so.

All four are accounted for, IIRC.

It was designed to though Probably with all of them firing at once, rather than just one.

The Necrons are the single most technologically advanced species in the Galaxy. Even during the Golden Age of technology, when humanity matched/excelled the Eldar in tech, I doubt they would have been NEARLY as advanced as the 'crons.

im2randomghgh wrote: Even during the Golden Age of technology, when humanity matched/excelled the Eldar in tech

Where are people getting this from?

Though I agree, in that Necron technology is uniquely the best in the galaxy.

Humanity has never matched/excelled the eldar in tech, unless you have a quote that specifically says so.

The eldar have always been ludicrosly more advanced in every source referring to their tech level compared to Humanity's.

Golden Age science was better than now, yes, but that doesn't make it that much better

Ascalam wrote:Humanity has never matched/excelled the eldar in tech, unless you have a quote that specifically says so.

The eldar have always been ludicrosly more advanced in every source referring to their tech level compared to Humanity's.

Golden Age science was better than now, yes, but that doesn't make it that much better

Considering how before the Fall, Eldar tech was directly stated to be peerless (The Necrons being dormant at this time), yeah lol.

I'll repost when I find the quote I am looking for :$

And @ Void_Dragon, the Technological decline of humanity started long before the Fall.

Since they keep moving the time of the fall around, it;s hard to pin down..

Half the time they claim the fall to be before humanity really evolved a decent tech base, and the other half puts it at about the time of the Great Crusade, from what i can tell.

*shrug*

Ascalam wrote:Since they keep moving the time of the fall around, it;s hard to pin down..

Half the time they claim the fall to be before humanity really evolved a decent tech base, and the other half puts it at about the time of the Great Crusade, from what i can tell.

*shrug*

This is called WH40K syndrome

Yup.

Put it down to warp distortion