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I was flipping through the liber chaotica and i found a number of images of chaos marines and their weapons.

After digging i came across a few quotes that can back up a few possible conclusions.

"i do not know. all that matters is that he exists, and his machinataions reach across the universe and effect the lives of mortals everywhere." .

Talking about the "crimson cyclops" known as magnus. page 347

"indeed, perhaps thier most terrible aspect is the weaponry they bear. Their muskets and cannons are unlike any produced by men or dwarfs, spitting fire and death faster and further than possibe to throw. They travel in mighty vechicles of iron and steel that make the technical innobations of our own empire seem paltry and small in comparison. Their weapons scream as if alive, flilling the air with palable horror and distress"

On the same page of images of noise marines. Page 188

" i shall turn my gaze instead to the heavens. For now i see just how vast this universe truly is, and how numerous and mighty are the enemires pitted against us."

Page 189

With the numerious images of marine's and 40k chaos weapons displayed in the book allow for the conclusion that the chaos gods are the same because even if these are "chaos induced visions" for a individual to have visions of chaos space marines, the weapons of chaos marines and the excat names of the Primarchs' set in the time period/reality of the warhammer fantasy universe, they have no tec that comes close to the images shown and raises questions. this could lead to three possible solutions that the chaos gods exist in both realitys, The warhammer fantasy galaxy is really galaxies apart from the warhammer 40k galaxy or in very early history of the 40k universe.

I want peoples opinion on this so let the flames start

Fantasy and 40k were originally in the same galaxy, with Fantasy's Emperor being a primarch. This has been retconned. So the book could just be from before this happened.

Liber Chaotica was published in 2005 so well after that happend

I'd guess at the first option then.

The history of the tie goes way back to the original Realms of Chaos books where Chaos Champions from the 40K universe could end up on the WHFB world and vice versa. The WHFB was just one more world in the galaxy, isolated and cut off, but still in the same universe.

Since then, GW have downplayed the links and officially buried it but there are still nods and winks. For example, the entry for the Slaanesh Daemon Prince N'kari in the 2nd edition Chaos Codex says N'kari was originated from a backward world cut off from the galaxy, yet which inexplicably still resisted Chaos, and fought on Horus's battle barge. In WHFB, N'kari was originally described as having been created from one of the earliest WHFB Slaanesh champions. Therefore the earliest days of WHFB must take place before the Horus Heresy. Nowadays, N'kari is portrayed as a Keeper of Secrets, though even that is not a total contradiction since the old Realms of Chaos tables allowed for a Champion to gain attributes of their patron god or their patron god's daemons.

The old Albion campaign had a few further nods towards 40K with some of the items being essentially 40K wargear transplanted into WHFB. One was essentially a displacer field for example.

In the more recent Lizardmen armybook, there is a reference to the Orcs arriving in unintended fashion on board the Old Ones' ships (suggested in spore form).

So there are still links if one wants to make something of them. Some might choose to say they are alternate universes and completely separate despite use of the same names. Others that they are linked in some sort of multiverse concept with the same gods being present in both.

I still go for the original: the WHFB being a world completely cut off from the galaxy by ongoing impenetrable warp storms.

My model is this: Some Old Ones (from 40K) surviving from the War in Heaven set up a stronghold and with their mystical technology set up ongoing warp storms, perhaps sustained by the various monolithic structures found on the WHFB world. The Old Ones' civilization was described as collapsing from the War in Heaven but this does not preclude a few final holdouts in scattered corners of the galaxy. In my model, the WHFB is such a stronghold, where the Old Ones bring or recreate samples of their subject races and continue tinkering away with them, in the process also modifying the world's geography and climate. In the Necron Codex, there is a reference to represent degenerate Old Ones (not Old One servants but actual Old Ones) using WHFB Lizardmen, heavily implying they are Slann. In my model, the Slann of WHFB are such degenerate Old Ones, who have forgotten or never learned they are really the descendants of the original Old Ones that started the WHFB world.

As for the complete absence of 40K Chaos stuff in the WHFB world, I chalk that up to the Chaos gods playing their game with a handicap rule such as "Only daemons and native Chaos worshippers allowed." In the original Realms of Chaos it described how the Chaos gods could and did impose sometimes arbitrary rules on their conflicts in order to spice things up, and such rules could be as frivolous as forbidding certain colors from being worn. If the gods can be so frivolous as to dictate the permissible clothing colors, then they would certainly be capable of imposing such a rule about only native mortal worshippers being allowed.

Thus in my scheme, though WHFB and 40K exist in the same universe, they are for all practical purposes still separate. The WHFB exists as a microcosm of the 40K universe's struggle with Chaos, and perhaps why the Chaos gods seem so interested (assuming they are actually interested of course) in the WHFB world is how it inexplicably still successfully resists Chaos when other worlds would have fallen already.

Those monolith structures could be like Cadia's pylons, perhaps?

Durza wrote:Those monolith structures could be like Cadia's pylons, perhaps?

No, Cadia's pylons are of Necron construction, and do the exact opposite, calming warp activity.

These monolithic structures in my model would be creating and maintaining those impenetrable warp storms. Some of those strange geographic features the Lizardmen know about may be such structures.

The only connection to 40k and fantasy is chaos. because it chaos goes through to different dimensions and time and space...that's why you could see(hypothetically) a WoC with a bolter...

but everything else used to be connected but no longer are according to games workshop...

I believe WHFB is the lost feudal world surrounded by warp-storms in 40k Galaxy. It has populations of technologically declined humans, Eldar, Squats, Ratlings and Ogryns. Due to warp-storms magic is possible on this planet. And Chaos and Old Ones are the same.
But the WHFB world can't be Ancient Terra or even False Terra seen in Horus Rising because Slaanesh is already born in WHFB Medieval/Renaissance times but in 40k only other 3 Gods were born during Terran Middle Ages and Slaanesh was born in M30-31. And if Terra was WHFB world, then humans should have been killed all Elves, Dwarfs, Skaven an other Undead on their planet.
Also warp can explain lack of technological development in last 1000 years in WHFB world.

Warhammer Fantasy is a popular MMO in the Imperium. Not only does it pacify citizens by distracting them from their miserable existence, it helps the Inquisition identify potential subversives by what race they choose.

Bludbaff wrote:Warhammer Fantasy is a popular MMO in the Imperium. Not only does it pacify citizens by distracting them from their miserable existence, it helps the Inquisition identify potential subversives by what race they choose.

A rather good explanation
I like it!

It was cooler when they were intertwined. GW has done some pretty 'cool' stuff to their fluff these days.

We know however these days from reading Heldenhammer that Sigmar was not a Primarch he was not found in a weird metal pod in the woods nor did he grow at an unnatural rate he was a mortal with a father and everything.

Ugly Green Trog wrote:We know however these days from reading Heldenhammer that Sigmar was not a Primarch he was not found in a weird metal pod in the woods nor did he grow at an unnatural rate he was a mortal with a father and everything.

Yes we know that now but back in the day it was a Given he was one of the lost Primarchs.

It was not a given, it was a fan-assumption.