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Title states what happened.

Being new to ogres and such and just looking through the army book and such I liked what I saw fluff seems great (I dont know much about ogres but the fluff makes em sound pretty bad ass to say the least).

The plan.

Basically I was planning on starting ogres with a battalion because its a good deal and it seems everything in the set can be put t great use.
Also a tyrant a butcher and a bsb guy (dont know what that guy is called in ogre speak).


The game plan.

I dont want to run a super cheese army that makes people sad.
I want to have a nice chaos ogre army (with the tons of chaos bits at hand this should be easy enough to do). Thoughts and opinions.

Playing.

I dont know all too much about ogres other than the basics as in impact hits stomps lots of wounds and a bunch of attacks.
By the looks it shouldnt be too difficult to get used to being a woc playing other than I get impact hits and stomps, that and the magic is more buff rather than make enemies explode.
I was wondering if that is pretty much the idea.
Also leadbelchers worth it they seem pretty awesome.

The goal.

2.5k Ogre army.

So any thoughts ogre players have and or suggestions would be great.
I dont need or want a waac list because I do fine without cheese with my warriors.
I wouldnt mind opinions on which units are sub par worth their points and must takes.
As I said I know some what whats going on but just wanted to get pointed in the right direction before I start going full steam.

Thanks

I think the entire Ogres book is pretty awesome. Some of the awesomest stuff is:

-Mournfangs-arguably the best cavalry in the game
-Leadbelchers-arguably top 2 elite shooters in the game
-Bulls-best MI in the game for cost

That's just on stats and points and pretty hard to argue. Stuff like Maneaters, war machines, monsters, are harder to evaluate cuz they're more situational.

I think you could actually could build a list using random dice rolls from the Ogre book and still be pretty solid.

BSB=Bruiser.

I see the plan currently is get a battalion the tyrant, slaughter master, bsb, the big ol cannon, 4 mournfangs and a stone horn.



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Ok thanks so I shall get a bruiser or just convert one.

Bruisers don't have a model. My advice would be the Tyrant kit + the banner (and a body?) from the ogres box.

Oops >.<

If there is no model converting one with an extremely large banner sounds doable.

Oh the ideas.
There will be lots of spikey armored ogres.
The iron guts are going to be fully plated ( we will see when the building starts).

I will post pictures.
Could possibly be in a month if everything goes well.


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He looks cool I was thinking of using plastic card to make crude armor.

But as I said haven't started.

I'll prob just start with a battalion them go from there.


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What you oopsing about?

I linked the same pics you already seen >.<

Here are the kit bashed Mournfangs
They have so much extra armor they look like bowling balls.

I have found that it is very tough to have both a Tyrant and Slaughtermaster in the same list. the increase in the SM's cost, but no lessening of his vitality and usage, has made the Tyrant lose his importance. especially with SMs ability to take Magic Armor and be the General now, and the ability of the rest of the army to actually survive and beat face(before the Tyrant would sit in the front and take hits for the Bulls/IGs and let them go to town in complete safety)


even in my 3k lists, I just can't justify a tyrant. especially if I take the Standard of Discipline so my SM is Ld9.

I think the earliest a Tyrant can come out and play would be 4k. magic is simply too valuable to not take, and taking both Tyrant and SM severly cuts into the rest of the list. you can get another block of bulls/mournfangs/Stonehorns/2 IBs for the cost of a kitted out Tyrant.

Thanks for the info that's exactly what I was hoping to hear (what not to do I mean).
Ok so sm is awesome I have seen the lore and looks pretty good str 5 or 7 ogres yes please.

Also what would you kit him out with armor of fortune and iron fist?

And anysuggestions what unit to put him in bulls iron guts....?

Would you alsorun a lvl 2 or will the sm be enough?

Given the plethora of regenerating stuff out there, you may want to get a Firebelcher for your army. You can run him solo or put him in a unit of bulls for protection.

In my army I tend to go with

Lvl4 SM (gutmagic(armor of destiny, ironfist, channeling staff, crown of command)

BSB (HA, Ironfist, standard of discipline)

lvl1 Butcher (lore of beasts(hellheart)

lvl1 Firebelly (dispell scroll, great weapon)


this is for 2500+(I rarely play below that)

Ok sounds good thanks for that
Why lore of beasts and crown of command? I have never used beasts and the crown just in case something goes bad?

Also what is a common size for bull units 6 9 8? Samegoes for ig.
I have seen a lot of 3 wide is that effective or is 4 or more better?

I will also be playing 2.5k minimum since everyone is practicing for a tourney.

the Butcher takes the Signiture spell, which is +1T and +1Str. very ogrey buffs.

the Crown is so you will be stubborn. Ogres are almost never steadfast(and if you are steadfast for some reason you probably are winning so hard it never comes up) and Stubborn is a must.


the size of units depends on your style of play and the points level.

currently there is MMU(many medium units) and Deathstar.


at 1500 and below: MMU would be units of 6, deathstar would be units of 9-12.

2000 and up will have MMU being units of 9-12. Deathstar would be a full on horde of 18.


MSU(many small units) is practically dead with only a few practicioners left. it can work, but it isn't advisable in 8th.

Ok.

So bulls in units of 6 is good?

And ironguts in units of 9+ with characters?

Does that sound about right?

Mournfangs in units of 3 or 4?

Leadbelchers useful at all I dont have much experience with actual shooting since i play woc so is their d6 shots worth it?

The vibe I'm getting is that ogre units of 9+ including characters are good at 2000 and above while 6+ are good at lower points.

I personally like 9+ because of the added bonus they give to impact hits.

Ok so bulls in 8 or 9 depending who they are with.

IG at 12 or so?

I dont usually rank up large models so this is a little new to me.
That and the 3 or so wounds each guy has makes it different than what I am used to.

I'd keep guts in a block of 9 (including any characters) as well at the 2000-2999 point range. This will allow you to get all your supporting units in, too. Keep in mind that other people like bigger, beefier units and do well at these points, so don't take anything I say as being the source of all wisdom.

Thanks and by all means I wont take your word as law.
I am however looking for input and you are giving me just that and that already helps.

This is jsut the planning stage so ya when the models come into play I will have to play around with it till I find what I like but atleast with this I now have a point to start from.

I do mournfangs in units of 2 and leadbelchers in units of 3 (run them all on the flanks of my horde o bulls).

Agree that you need a firebelly, fire magic's useful AND he's an awesome model.

units of 2 Mournfangs are ok, but I belive they are most efficient in units of 4 or 6. assuming you have the points to run that many. 2 will do damage, but even a 2+ save won't keep them alive for very long and a single casuality will see them running.

A unit of 4 makes more sense to take advantage of the Magic banner they can take and it can take a casuality and still do damage.

I don't run them as beaters. I use them as a quick, flanking unit that can hunt warmachines or weak missile troops; they actually work pretty well in that role. If they're still alive late game, I use them to flank or rear charge whatever my hordestar's beating on.

And here's why you need a firebelly:

For the belchers units of 3 is enough? Not 4?
I like the mournfangs model so a unit of 4 withthe awesome 50 point banner will do?
Do I give them any upgrades as in a champ? And iron gist yes or no?
For the sm does he really need uber protection with the armor ? He is t5 with like 5 wounds so I mean like what's going to kill him ok other than a cannon.

Also stonehorne a yes or a no?

The fire bellies are pretty sweet definitely getting 1.

The stornhorn is nice if you like the model.

But honestly the Ogres are powerful enough in CC, stornhorn might not be necessary.

Leadbelchers are expensive but worth it. If you like how they look or fluff wise, sure take larger units.
Remember they arnt fragile like normal ranged units. They are ranged units that can bash people's head in!

cowpow16 wrote:For the belchers units of 3 is enough? Not 4?
I like the mournfangs model so a unit of 4 withthe awesome 50 point banner will do?
Do I give them any upgrades as in a champ? And iron gist yes or no?
For the sm does he really need uber protection with the armor ? He is t5 with like 5 wounds so I mean like what's going to kill him ok other than a cannon.

Also stonehorne a yes or a no?

The fire bellies are pretty sweet definitely getting 1.

For Mournfangs, ALWAYS give them Ironfists, and ALWAYS give them Heavy Armor. 2+ armor and a 6+ parry(in close combat)


2+ armor combined with the Dragonhide Banner is why Mournfangs demolish infantry. Just avoid Str5 and Armor Piercing. once you have worse then a 3+ save it becomes very bad for the kitties.

Yes, 2+ armor makes them a far worse PITA to deal with.

Ok so kitty cav heavy armor iron fist standard bearer standard of awesomeness. Musician and or unit champ?

I like the idea of belchers since they run around with cannons.
I am planning on getting the battalion so there are 4 in there migh as well try em out.
Is 4 a good unit size (for 2.5k) or would 8 do better?

For the sm is the crown of command really needed since ogre usually wreck face in combat.
Wouldnt he be better off with the sword of striking and a big name so he hits most stuff on what 2 or 3s and kills it on 2s?

So a bsb is quite important I know that much.
For woc he dosnt really need a magic banner since most units can take banners.
Is that the case here do I build the bsb as a guy I use for the occasional reroll or do I use him as a buff with a magic banner?
If the magic banner is the suggested way what mundane weapons and or armor would you recommend I arm him with?

Would 1 cannon be enough if not 2? I just dont want to over do it.

What magic banner would be recommended for iron guts?

Thanks so much for the help this far I had a read through the army book and really liked the fluff and such.

Kitties should definitly have a musicion. the champion isn't needed, but its a cheap extra attack.

4 leaddies is a good size to start out. you can always get more, although I wouldn't reccomend more then 8.



Slaughtermasters can't take Big Names, and frankly they mostly became garbage with the new book. Crown of Command is needed, although it doesn't have to be on the SM.

SMs need protection so making them more durable is of higher priority then making them more killy, they already have killer stats so they don't need much help.

Ok sounds good.

Ok so sm gets defensive build then aod + iron fist is the channeling staff worth it?

And the leaddies up the flanks?

Also cannons? those things look super sick and im not quite sure what they do and what they are supposed to kill.

Ample cannons are better than stonetusk due to large monsters everywhere this edition.

What banner to give to your iron guts depends their size.
A gave them the frostwyrm banner because i have a large horde unit. And 18 ironguts are nice with reroll to hit and wound.