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Daston wrote:
The whole arm is on the weapon sprue for the warlord.

Yes but the only part that is likely to be universal and therefore potentially in short supply is the upper arm. The rest of the arm will almost certainly be different for each weapon so I didn't see the need to mention it.

 Sasquatch wrote:

Daston wrote:
The whole arm is on the weapon sprue for the warlord.

Yes but the only part that is likely to be universal and therefore potentially in short supply is the upper arm. The rest of the arm will almost certainly be different for each weapon so I didn't see the need to mention it.

I might be missing your point. But the upper arm is on the weapon sprue. The only part that isn't is the actual mounting point which is the torso.

Daston wrote:

 Sasquatch wrote:

Daston wrote:
The whole arm is on the weapon sprue for the warlord.

Yes but the only part that is likely to be universal and therefore potentially in short supply is the upper arm. The rest of the arm will almost certainly be different for each weapon so I didn't see the need to mention it.

I might be missing your point. But the upper arm is on the weapon sprue. The only part that isn't is the actual mounting point which is the torso.

Ah sorry I probably removed a little too much of the quote and with that some context.

Daston wrote:

 Sasquatch wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Xanthos wrote:


Yup. The fist has a different upper arm piece, and won't fit on the gun lower arm in a sensible way.

Does it look viable to magnetise both the shoulder and elbow joint so guns can be swapped? Or are the guns like the Warlord volcano cannons where they assemble around the arm?

Looking at the sprues the upper arm is on the weapon sprue so unless fw wants to enrage the fanbase they are gonna have to include upper arms with all the weapons packs they release for the reaver and warlord. They could just include a left and right arm per multi weapon pack but I can see them getting a lot of push back if they did.

The whole arm is on the weapon sprue for the warlord.

My point was essentially that you saying that the whole arm is on the weapons sprue was a pointless correction since the only component that may be in short supply is the upper arm.

As mentioned the Reavers carapace weapon fits a 5mm x 1mm magnet just like the warlord.

The way I have done my arms is to cut off the top of the ball and socket of the arm. Then you can magnetise. It’s clearly much more fiddly and a lot less precise than the warlord and does mean you risk messing up your model but not the hardest thing in the world to do. Then you can do the same with the powerfist aswell so you can include them in mixing weapons around.

As with the warlord, the weapon upgrade spires better come with the upper arm or weapon swaps are not possible and will cause a lot of hate.

Built Reaver btw

I haven't even got my shipment notification from GW for store pickup for my reavers, unusual cause when the rules box came out they shipped it asap and got it day of release.

$60 is sounding pretty damn good for that model.

Not only does $60 seem "okay" (I view it solely at max discount which I could find it at), but it makes the $110 price on the Warlord that much more galling/stupid to me.

 Elbows wrote:
Not only does $60 seem "okay" (I view it solely at max discount which I could find it at), but it makes the $110 price on the Warlord that much more galling/stupid to me.

I think they're counting on people buying lots of reavers as they're going to be the workhorse titan

Oh, I'm sure...however that's a pricing tactic which doesn't matter to me as a consumer. When I see a Reaver which is a more versatile kit and 80% the size of a Warlord at 50% the price, the Warlord looks like a joke.

 Elbows wrote:
Oh, I'm sure...however that's a pricing tactic which doesn't matter to me as a consumer. When I see a Reaver which is a more versatile kit and 80% the size of a Warlord at 50% the price, the Warlord looks like a joke.

Part of the problem is that, by all acounts, the reaver is a far less technical kit.
The posing possible with the Warlord is almost unreal, and once we get weapon packs will start to really shine through (its there right now but most people just aren't taking full advantage of it.)
The reaver is...pretty basic it sounds.
I'll get mine tomorrow, and my opinion may change once its built, but generally speaking the 'technical level"of a kit is a big decider in price levels (see the gundam line of models for a close example.)
Regardless, I doubt anyone is buying warlords atm, so it's not a big point of contention I feel.
I just hope warhounds are similarly reasonable. Maybe 50 for 2 or so.

When is the next big GW event?

I'm looking forward to hearing their plan for future releases, as there's literally dozens of different areas where they could expand the game after the Warhounds come out.

There's not much on the schedule, only really Spiel in Germany which tends to be more board- and card-game focused like Gencon. It's the sort of place where they'd announce content like Space Adventures, Munchkin or Blitz Bowl.
There's also a WHW 40k open day at the end of November.

 Elbows wrote:
Not only does $60 seem "okay" (I view it solely at max discount which I could find it at), but it makes the $110 price on the Warlord that much more galling/stupid to me.

It's not as obvious from the photo above, but the Reaver model really does have about half the mass of a Warlord and the sprues seem to be half the size too. It's basically half a Warlord for half the price.

I also have a theory that the Reaver is priced akin to an Intercessor squad in 40k because it fulfills a similar role as the main battleline unit and you're likely to have the most of them. Meanwhile the Warlord is priced akin to 40k Repulsors / Gorkanauts, because typical armies will use them as a supporting unit rather than a core unit.

 xttz wrote:
There's not much on the schedule, only really Spiel in Germany which tends to be more board- and card-game focused like Gencon. It's the sort of place where they'd announce content like Space Adventures, Munchkin or Blitz Bowl.
There's also a WHW 40k open day at the end of November.

 Elbows wrote:
Not only does $60 seem "okay" (I view it solely at max discount which I could find it at), but it makes the $110 price on the Warlord that much more galling/stupid to me.

It's not as obvious from the photo above, but the Reaver model really does have about half the mass of a Warlord and the sprues seem to be half the size too. It's basically half a Warlord for half the price.

I also have a theory that the Reaver is priced akin to an Intercessor squad in 40k because it fulfills a similar role as the main battleline unit and you're likely to have the most of them. Meanwhile the Warlord is priced akin to 40k Repulsors / Gorkanauts, because typical armies will use them as a supporting unit rather than a core unit.

thats my theory too, granted it'd be nice if we have a Maniple that gave us say.. 3 reavers and 2 warhounds (and yes a Legio Gryphonicus Axiom would fill that but.. that doesn't count

 xttz wrote:
There's not much on the schedule, only really Spiel in Germany which tends to be more board- and card-game focused like Gencon. It's the sort of place where they'd announce content like Space Adventures, Munchkin or Blitz Bowl.
There's also a WHW 40k open day at the end of November.

 Elbows wrote:
Not only does $60 seem "okay" (I view it solely at max discount which I could find it at), but it makes the $110 price on the Warlord that much more galling/stupid to me.

It's not as obvious from the photo above, but the Reaver model really does have about half the mass of a Warlord and the sprues seem to be half the size too. It's basically half a Warlord for half the price.

I also have a theory that the Reaver is priced akin to an Intercessor squad in 40k because it fulfills a similar role as the main battleline unit and you're likely to have the most of them. Meanwhile the Warlord is priced akin to 40k Repulsors / Gorkanauts, because typical armies will use them as a supporting unit rather than a core unit.

That would actually go against fluff where WARLORDS are actually most numerous. Reavers being more ancient they have technology that's harder to replicate than the warlord that's newer and not having quite as fancy technology as reaver. Reaver class technology on warlord sized titan would be superior to the warlord.

Aside from the Knights, the price for both Reaver and Warlord is reasonable to GW standard based on number of sprue and sprue size.

You might disagree or unhappy with what you get in the Warlord kit, but it's still 3 large sprue, compare to other similar 3 large sprue product, which had similar price, or higher.

tneva82 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
There's not much on the schedule, only really Spiel in Germany which tends to be more board- and card-game focused like Gencon. It's the sort of place where they'd announce content like Space Adventures, Munchkin or Blitz Bowl.
There's also a WHW 40k open day at the end of November.

 Elbows wrote:
Not only does $60 seem "okay" (I view it solely at max discount which I could find it at), but it makes the $110 price on the Warlord that much more galling/stupid to me.

It's not as obvious from the photo above, but the Reaver model really does have about half the mass of a Warlord and the sprues seem to be half the size too. It's basically half a Warlord for half the price.

I also have a theory that the Reaver is priced akin to an Intercessor squad in 40k because it fulfills a similar role as the main battleline unit and you're likely to have the most of them. Meanwhile the Warlord is priced akin to 40k Repulsors / Gorkanauts, because typical armies will use them as a supporting unit rather than a core unit.

That would actually go against fluff where WARLORDS are actually most numerous. Reavers being more ancient they have technology that's harder to replicate than the warlord that's newer and not having quite as fancy technology as reaver. Reaver class technology on warlord sized titan would be superior to the warlord.

I don't disbelive you but I've not been able to find anything beyond vague referances on a wiki about the reaver being an older Titan. whats the source on that info? I'd like to be able to expand my knowledge

tneva82 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
There's not much on the schedule, only really Spiel in Germany which tends to be more board- and card-game focused like Gencon. It's the sort of place where they'd announce content like Space Adventures, Munchkin or Blitz Bowl.
There's also a WHW 40k open day at the end of November.

 Elbows wrote:
Not only does $60 seem "okay" (I view it solely at max discount which I could find it at), but it makes the $110 price on the Warlord that much more galling/stupid to me.

It's not as obvious from the photo above, but the Reaver model really does have about half the mass of a Warlord and the sprues seem to be half the size too. It's basically half a Warlord for half the price.

I also have a theory that the Reaver is priced akin to an Intercessor squad in 40k because it fulfills a similar role as the main battleline unit and you're likely to have the most of them. Meanwhile the Warlord is priced akin to 40k Repulsors / Gorkanauts, because typical armies will use them as a supporting unit rather than a core unit.

That would actually go against fluff where WARLORDS are actually most numerous. Reavers being more ancient they have technology that's harder to replicate than the warlord that's newer and not having quite as fancy technology as reaver. Reaver class technology on warlord sized titan would be superior to the warlord.

Every bit of fluff I've ever read says the Reaver is far more numerous than the Warlord, not the other way round.

tneva82 wrote:

That would actually go against fluff where WARLORDS are actually most numerous. Reavers being more ancient they have technology that's harder to replicate than the warlord that's newer and not having quite as fancy technology as reaver. Reaver class technology on warlord sized titan would be superior to the warlord.

Fluffwise that's highly dependent on the titan legion. Some prefer smaller titans and therefore have few, if any, Warlords.
Gamewise, it's a very bad idea to focus mainly on Warlords except in specific situations as they're most vulnerable to being outmaneuvered.

There's no reason to think Warlords are the core unit for this game.

BrianDavion wrote:
I don't disbelive you but I've not been able to find anything beyond vague referances on a wiki about the reaver being an older Titan. whats the source on that info? I'd like to be able to expand my knowledge

I've found it in the 2003 Epic: Armageddon book:

"The Reaver class Battle Titan pre-dates even the mighty Warlord Battle Titan, though the date of its original manufacture is kept hidden within the deepest sealed archives on Mars and known to a handful of Magos in the Titan Legions"

BrianDavion wrote:


I don't disbelive you but I've not been able to find anything beyond vague referances on a wiki about the reaver being an older Titan. whats the source on that info? I'd like to be able to expand my knowledge

Original Adeptus Titanicus. Specifcally either Codex Titanicus or White Dwarf 110. They are generally explained to be rarer than the Warlords. Warlords are considered the main line Battle Titans with Reavers operating in a specific Tactical niche mixing speed and firepower.

That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

I'm really hoping that FW starts really developing titan lore, I'll admit some dissappointment, I was hoping the AT rulebook would have a degree of info on titans on par with a 40k codex has on it's factions.

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

It was also back when Leman Russ was an ordinary SW character, there were female SM models, and people made tanks out of deodorant sticks.

 gorgon wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

It was also back when Leman Russ was an ordinary SW character, there were female SM models, and people made tanks out of deodorant sticks.

The Golden Age....

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

Indeed. It's all we've ever had. The various flavours of Epic as well as the odd snippet and black library story. Nothing has really contradicted anything up to this point.

tneva82 wrote:
That would actually go against fluff where WARLORDS are actually most numerous. Reavers being more ancient they have technology that's harder to replicate than the warlord that's newer and not having quite as fancy technology as reaver. Reaver class technology on warlord sized titan would be superior to the warlord.

It could be that the reason Reavers are so rare "today" is that so many of them perished in the Horus Heresy - which by all accounts really decimated the Legios.

MarkNorfolk wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

It was also back when Leman Russ was an ordinary SW character, there were female SM models, and people made tanks out of deodorant sticks.

The Golden Age....

An age where hobbyists were presumed to have deodorant sticks laying around!

 Nurglitch wrote:

MarkNorfolk wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

It was also back when Leman Russ was an ordinary SW character, there were female SM models, and people made tanks out of deodorant sticks.

The Golden Age....

An age where hobbyists were presumed to have deodorant sticks laying around!

There were quite a few who didn't recognize it for what it was :-)

 Nurglitch wrote:
That was back when the Warlords were plastic and the Reavers were a metal kit.

Point being? Nothing contradicts it. Why start contradicting good valid fluff just for fun of it

 schoon wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
That would actually go against fluff where WARLORDS are actually most numerous. Reavers being more ancient they have technology that's harder to replicate than the warlord that's newer and not having quite as fancy technology as reaver. Reaver class technology on warlord sized titan would be superior to the warlord.

It could be that the reason Reavers are so rare "today" is that so many of them perished in the Horus Heresy - which by all accounts really decimated the Legios.

And they were apparently more than decimated at that!