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 xttz wrote:
Guess it's time to break out the photocopier 90's style.

You are not the only one there, plenty of people in the FB group I am in are busy designing their own as well as photo copying and resizing things.

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
I don't get why they haven't provided the command and weapon cards in the kit with the model. I mean I get why they didn't, so you have to buy them separately, but still....why not just throw in the bare minimum to provide for whats in the box?!

Those cardstock components are really expensive. Would have driven up the price of the box for people that just want the model (which I think is a pretty substantial portion of people buying it) or people that want a bunch to paint/model in different ways but don't plan on using them all at once.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
I don't get why they haven't provided the command and weapon cards in the kit with the model. I mean I get why they didn't, so you have to buy them separately, but still....why not just throw in the bare minimum to provide for whats in the box?!

Those cardstock components are really expensive. Would have driven up the price of the box for people that just want the model (which I think is a pretty substantial portion of people buying it) or people that want a bunch to paint/model in different ways but don't plan on using them all at once.

I (somewhat) understand why the cardboard isn’t provided with the models. What I don’t get is that the weapons cards, of which anyone absolutely needs more if fielding more than a single titan of a type, are GW web store exclusives. They are also horrendously expensive. I can’t help but feel that the rules and game boxes should have contained more than a single copy of the cards, or that they should have been readily available at retail.

Also GW doesn’t make cardboard so this would limit their ability to keep up with model demand (they can always issue pdfs it needs be).

Conversely I think it was a very good idea to include the Reaver and Warhound terminals in the GME/Ruleset boxes. They didn’t need to but there they are, buillt in expansion.

 General Helstrom wrote:

 xttz wrote:
However the price & availability of the weapon cards & command terminals is probably the most frustrating aspect of this new range. I ordered 3 Reavers so I'm one terminal short, but the only way to fix that is to spend £15 on carboard most of which I'll never use. There's only 1 of each weapon card in the rules set so that's another £7.50 for the ~6 cards I need. Of course it's all only available direct from GW, so no discounts. Finally as far as I can see there's no way to get additional Knight banner terminals currently aside from buying a full rules pack.

For a few bucks more you can get a rules pack, which currently seems like the best way to acquire more terminals and cards. You get a spare rulebook and gubbinz as a bonus!

Seriously considering doing this now. £30 gets me the Reaver & Warlord packs plus 5 terminal cards

Alternatively £28 gets me:

6 titan and 2 knight terminals

At least one more each of every titan's weapon card

Extra dice, tokens & battlefield assets

Another rulebook I can probably either sell, or leave for reference at my local club

 notprop wrote:
Also GW doesn’t make cardboard so this would limit their ability to keep up with model demand (they can always issue pdfs it needs be).

Conversely I think it was a very good idea to include the Reaver and Warhound terminals in the GME/Ruleset boxes. They didn’t need to but there they are, buillt in expansion.

I thought they did? I could be wrong, but I'm sure there was a rumour circulating a while back that GW had purchased the machinery and/or tools to produce cardstock.

Most printed GWthings I have bought recently have made in China on them.

I don’t know about GW but have a few mates in printing and they say most large scale quality printing isn’t done in the U.K. anymore. They were referring primarily to hardback books but cardstock could sit with this as well?

They used Panda Game Manufacturing, which is based in Vancouver, Canada but has a factory in Shenzhen, China.


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 zedmeister wrote:
I thought they did? I could be wrong, but I'm sure there was a rumour circulating a while back that GW had purchased the machinery and/or tools to produce cardstock.

Their external suppliers (for cardstock & transfers) keep letting them down, and their in-house facilities aren't up to speed yet - although we are seeing some transfers return.

 zedmeister wrote:

 notprop wrote:
Also GW doesn’t make cardboard so this would limit their ability to keep up with model demand (they can always issue pdfs it needs be).

Conversely I think it was a very good idea to include the Reaver and Warhound terminals in the GME/Ruleset boxes. They didn’t need to but there they are, buillt in expansion.

I thought they did? I could be wrong, but I'm sure there was a rumour circulating a while back that GW had purchased the machinery and/or tools to produce cardstock.

Pretty much all of their card stock and boxes are printed in China. I've also been told (by a reliable source at WHW) that often the production costs of the boxes will be significantly higher than the value of the contents inside.

beast_gts wrote:
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I wouldn't put too much faith in that photo. I'm pretty sure they get the printed materials, packaging etc delivered to the UK and assemble everything where the models are produced as that's the bulk of the weight in the final product. There's no sense in shipping thousands of sprues to China to get boxes assembled with less oversight or QC, then shipping them back out again.

The box number is almost certainly referring to the packages within a shipping container, which will be carrying a either wide range of GW stock or printed supplies for GW to use. It won't all be Titanicus.

 xttz wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
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I wouldn't put too much faith in that photo. I'm pretty sure they get the printed materials, packaging etc delivered to the UK and assemble everything where the models are produced as that's the bulk of the weight in the final product. There's no sense in shipping thousands of sprues to China to get boxes assembled with less oversight or QC, then shipping them back out again.

The box number is almost certainly referring to the packages within a shipping container, which will be carrying a either wide range of GW stock or printed supplies for GW to use. It won't all be Titanicus.

Panda have UK sites, so it's possible they're doing all the work - but I don't know.

Despite the expense of buying them separately, I'm glad they didn't pack the cards and terminals with the models.

It means you can, if you and your opponent are so inclined, buy no minis at all and still play--by using old Epic Titans instead.

GW still gets a bit of money out of it... and you don't have to pay megabucks for swanky new models just to play a game you don't yet know if you'll like.

Which may encourage you to grudgingly pick up the Rules Set for use with your old Titans.

Which may then tempt you into actually investing in the new Titans. After all, you've gone and bought the rules and accessories already, and you've had time to digest the rules and think things over, and some almost-affordable models like the Reaver have come out.

Which means GW gets a lot more of your money.

I mean, it could happen.

It's happening to me.

Send help.

Zenithfleet wrote:
Despite the expense of buying them separately, I'm glad they didn't pack the cards and terminals with the models.

It means you can, if you and your opponent are so inclined, buy no minis at all and still play--by using old Epic Titans instead.

GW still gets a bit of money out of it... and you don't have to pay megabucks for swanky new models just to play a game you don't yet know if you'll like.

Which may encourage you to grudgingly pick up the Rules Set for use with your old Titans.

Which may then tempt you into actually investing in the new Titans. After all, you've gone and bought the rules and accessories already, and you've had time to digest the rules and think things over, and some almost-affordable models like the Reaver have come out.

Which means GW gets a lot more of your money.

I mean, it could happen.

It's happening to me.

Send help.

This was what I did Just working on some templates for the smaller scale.

Of course, I traded a new Warlord this week... is this the slippery slope?

The new Reavers arrived today. They are NOT made for magnetizing out of the box, but they do look fairly easy to magnetize, at least between the different guns.

The fist assembles at the shoulder, like the 28mm version, with a ball joint, making it more difficult to magnetize for swapping with the guns.


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Oh, and they are a breeze to build, great kit. Only weird thing is that the lower leg piston armor is a separate pice on these, whereas it was attached to the pistons on the Warlord.

not being mangitzeable is sad, but ahh well... so long as people know what mini is associated with what card I don't think people are gonna be anal about WYSIWYG

 Xanthos wrote:
The new Reavers arrived today. They are NOT made for magnetizing out of the box, but they do look fairly easy to magnetize, at least between the different guns.

The fist assembles at the shoulder, like the 28mm version, with a ball joint, making it more difficult to magnetize for swapping with the guns.

Are you saying the guns share an upper arm piece that the powerfirst doesn't, so they can't all be swapped the same way?

 Xanthos wrote:
The new Reavers arrived today. They are NOT made for magnetizing out of the box, but they do look fairly easy to magnetize, at least between the different guns.

The fist assembles at the shoulder, like the 28mm version, with a ball joint, making it more difficult to magnetize for swapping with the guns.


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Oh, and they are a breeze to build, great kit. Only weird thing is that the lower leg piston armor is a separate pice on these, whereas it was attached to the pistons on the Warlord.

Feth it all, GW! Why in the world would you make the Warlord easily magnetized and not do the same to the Reaver? What reason could you possibly have for building up goodwill among modellers with one model and then flushing it away on the very next one? So freaking stupid.

The warlord was cad designed and optimised. The reaver and wzrhound were not.

That was the original 28mm versions. Why on Earth would you think that in this day and age, when they use computers to model literally everything they produce, they wouldn't use them for the Warhound and the Reaver?

 xttz wrote:

 Xanthos wrote:
The new Reavers arrived today. They are NOT made for magnetizing out of the box, but they do look fairly easy to magnetize, at least between the different guns.

The fist assembles at the shoulder, like the 28mm version, with a ball joint, making it more difficult to magnetize for swapping with the guns.

Are you saying the guns share an upper arm piece that the powerfirst doesn't, so they can't all be swapped the same way?

Yup. The fist has a different upper arm piece, and won't fit on the gun lower arm in a sensible way.


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
The warlord was cad designed and optimised. The reaver and wzrhound were not.

The AT models were all made as cad models. The Reaver and Warhound were meticulously measured and converted to cad for this project. So that's not why.

I suspect that the reaver was finished before the Warlord, since it shows hints of being earlier in the sculptors development of skills with cad.

Interestingly, this means that with a bit of extra work, Forgeworld could replace the existing Rever and Warhound molds for cad designed ones, which sure would help since the current masters have a few issues...

I'm honestly not all that irked with it, it's a bummer but the top carapace weapon shouldn't be too hard to magnetize. With the reavers I think i'm going to take extra care to think over what i'm going to take before gluing anything. This game was kind of intended for more experienced gamers and modelers to begin with.

I will say the reavers look funny naked without their armor plates though.

 Xanthos wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
The warlord was cad designed and optimised. The reaver and wzrhound were not.

The AT models were all made as cad models. The Reaver and Warhound were meticulously measured and converted to cad for this project. So that's not why.

I suspect that the reaver was finished before the Warlord, since it shows hints of being earlier in the sculptors development of skills with cad.

Interestingly, this means that with a bit of extra work, Forgeworld could replace the existing Rever and Warhound molds for cad designed ones, which sure would help since the current masters have a few issues...

While the reaver and warhound were measured and converted to cad, they were hand sculpted originally, and lack a lot of the optimization that the warlord model has in 28mm. They have more cables and individual piston elements, which add to the versimilitude, while the warlord lacks some of that, especially in the leg area, which does make it a lot easier to build though.

At the least, it would be nice if fw finished the weapons loadout for the reaver carapace, and probably redid the plasma and megabolter for the warhound so they are ambidexterous like the newer turbolaser and flamer.

 Thargrim wrote:
I'm honestly not all that irked with it, it's a bummer but the top carapace weapon shouldn't be too hard to magnetize. With the reavers I think i'm going to take extra care to think over what i'm going to take before gluing anything. This game was kind of intended for more experienced gamers and modelers to begin with.

I will say the reavers look funny naked without their armor plates though.

Interestingly, having had a second look at the Carapace launcher, it DOES have magnet attachment holes. So only the arms are lacking the possibility to magnetize. Weirder and weirder...

 Xanthos wrote:


Yup. The fist has a different upper arm piece, and won't fit on the gun lower arm in a sensible way.

Does it look viable to magnetise both the shoulder and elbow joint so guns can be swapped? Or are the guns like the Warlord volcano cannons where they assemble around the arm?
Nevermind I can make sense of the sprue now

 xttz wrote:

 Xanthos wrote:


Yup. The fist has a different upper arm piece, and won't fit on the gun lower arm in a sensible way.

Does it look viable to magnetise both the shoulder and elbow joint so guns can be swapped? Or are the guns like the Warlord volcano cannons where they assemble around the arm?

Looking at the sprues the upper arm is on the weapon sprue so unless fw wants to enrage the fanbase they are gonna have to include upper arms with all the weapons packs they release for the reaver and warlord. They could just include a left and right arm per multi weapon pack but I can see them getting a lot of push back if they did.

The Sept WD preview for next month says "more titans", so it sounds like Warhounds will be October rather than November as feared.

That is...good news!

I like Reavers, sure, but I love Warhounds - so it'll probably be 2 Reavers and at least 4 Warhounds, depending on pricing, as always.

Yep, 1 Warlord, 2 Reavers, 4 Warhounds for this guy, and I'm not even sure if it's anything more than a modeling project at this point! (Local interest is.. not strong.)

 Sasquatch wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Xanthos wrote:


Yup. The fist has a different upper arm piece, and won't fit on the gun lower arm in a sensible way.

Does it look viable to magnetise both the shoulder and elbow joint so guns can be swapped? Or are the guns like the Warlord volcano cannons where they assemble around the arm?

Looking at the sprues the upper arm is on the weapon sprue so unless fw wants to enrage the fanbase they are gonna have to include upper arms with all the weapons packs they release for the reaver and warlord. They could just include a left and right arm per multi weapon pack but I can see them getting a lot of push back if they did.

The whole arm is on the weapon sprue for the warlord.

How hard would it be to take the ball joint off the Reaver arm and put a Ball Bearing in its place. Then put a Magnet in the carapace?

Daston wrote:

 Sasquatch wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Xanthos wrote:


Yup. The fist has a different upper arm piece, and won't fit on the gun lower arm in a sensible way.

Does it look viable to magnetise both the shoulder and elbow joint so guns can be swapped? Or are the guns like the Warlord volcano cannons where they assemble around the arm?

Looking at the sprues the upper arm is on the weapon sprue so unless fw wants to enrage the fanbase they are gonna have to include upper arms with all the weapons packs they release for the reaver and warlord. They could just include a left and right arm per multi weapon pack but I can see them getting a lot of push back if they did.

The whole arm is on the weapon sprue for the warlord.

How hard would it be to take the ball joint off the Reaver arm and put a Ball Bearing in its place. Then put a Magnet in the carapace?

Not hard at all. I am going to accept having only planar movement and just replace the ball joint in one arm with a pair of disc magnets. That way I can switch for the fist when needed.