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Just curious in these pictures the Emperor is huge. hes taller then a space marines and custodes in most depictions of him. Is his depiction in the art just an exxageration, because he is just a normal man, despite the fact hes immortal and one of the the greatest psyker in the galaxy.
Is that just his actuall height cuz back on ancient Terra when he was secretly guiding humanity and posing as major and influential figures, well 9-10 feet is very tall, not very discreat.
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My shield is disgust
My sword is hatred
In the Emperors name
Let none survive! HERESY!!! HERESY!!! HERESY!!!
But yeah, the Emperor can tell your mind how tall he is...He could probably make you see him as buggs bunny if he wanted to because he's just that good of a psyker. I'd say true form is 8' something...Astartes are something like 7' something?
The paintings are obviously commissioned and reveiwed by the admistortium and would turn a very critical eye upon the portrayal of the Emperor of mankind and how he is depicted..and if you are that artist, would you want to tempt their dis-pleasure at showing the god-emperor as a normal sized person...with his servants towering over him..hmmmm.
Art Critics in the 41st millenium tend to give very harsh reveiws..ending with smoking bolter holes in craniums.
The emperor would never be portrayed as anything other than a towering figure, likely he was 5'6" tall and balding, like a little Napoleon..... does not make him any less powerful, in fact I would like that image, underestimate the little guy do ya?
In "The Last Church," though he makes himself appear unassuming to the priest in it, the priest notices how heavy his steps are and how the sturdy chairs creak under his weight, which should not be possible for his build.
The Emperor was the greatest psyker in history, it is not above reason that he could manipulate his size. Biomancers can actually do some altercations to their body, Biomancy being a school of psychic powers.
I'd assume he was as tall as the average Primarch maybe. So, a little above 3 meters, ten feet, just like Lion El'Jonson.
Or it's mostly the armor (I dont trust artwork 100% in these things, its not like someone could have been around to observe the battle between the Emperor and Horus after all.) - it isn't unheard of for power armor to be much larger than the person wearing it.
Alternately he might just use the same superscience magic he used creating the Primarchs and Space Marines ot augment himself. Considering he was a warrior-leader for a good part of the Unification and Great Crusade he'd likely want to give himself every physical advantage he could.
iproxtaco wrote:He could likely appear as tall as he wanted.
This.
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
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"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
I really do not like the idea that the Emperor is some kind of three metres tall giant freak. I'd like to think him as tall, but still looking like a normal human. 195cm or so.
The reason why he is depicted taller than anyone else in the art, might be the same reason why 165cm tall Stalin was the tallest person in any painting he appeared in...
They'd still get a bit suspicious when the normal sized person was stooping for no reason to go through a two meter tall door though.
Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can play the best chess in the world, but at the end of the day the pigeon will still knock all the pieces off the board and then gak all over it.
What about Pariahs? Wouldn't they have been a bit weirded out seeing people try to hug him and stuff?
Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can play the best chess in the world, but at the end of the day the pigeon will still knock all the pieces off the board and then gak all over it.
Who knows? If he was Jesus he probably got hugged a lot.
Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can play the best chess in the world, but at the end of the day the pigeon will still knock all the pieces off the board and then gak all over it.
Soladrin wrote:Yep, he is probably around 9-10 feet. But he can mindrape anything into seeing whatever the hell he wants them to see.
So maybe he was "just" 6 feet then, given people's average height when he was supposedly born.
DUN-DUN-DUNNN
j/k - truth is we'll probably never know. And even if somebody would write about it or if you'd take those commissioned artist drawings as "true" there's still the interpretations thing.
In the end, the Emperor is as big or as small as you deem it fitting.
If the Emperor was nine feet tall, it's a good thing he never tripped over. The speed his head would build up on the way down would've broken his neck.
Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can play the best chess in the world, but at the end of the day the pigeon will still knock all the pieces off the board and then gak all over it.
Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can play the best chess in the world, but at the end of the day the pigeon will still knock all the pieces off the board and then gak all over it.
Crimson wrote:I really do not like the idea that the Emperor is some kind of three metres tall giant freak. I'd like to think him as tall, but still looking like a normal human. 195cm or so.
The reason why he is depicted taller than anyone else in the art, might be the same reason why 165cm tall Stalin was the tallest person in any painting he appeared in...
I don't know, that makes the Emperor interacting with his Primarchs, especially giants like Magnus, kind of comical, IMO.
The Emperor was not limited to appearing to be of different sizes and shapes. He could actually be different sizes and shapes, but not like some super hero shapeshifter, just ordinary human-looking forms. It's one of his very few actually known powers.
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This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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It always seemed to me that the Emperor was born a normal man, but with extraordinary powers - the most powerful single psychic being who ever lived, probably. Biomancy was definitely one of his fortes, seeing as he crafted the Primarchs and Space Marines. He would definitely have used his biomancy introspectively, to improve his own form. I think this could have ended up being recursive - the more powerful you make yourself, the better your biomancy, and so the more you can perfect your own being and increase your power again. The Emperor was humanity maxed out - the perfection of the human form. He could have been 10 feet tall and glowing with power, but made himself appear as a normal man, or vice versa - his power could have been concentrated in the frame of a normal human, projecting the form of a 10 foot tall god whenever necessary. Six of one, half dozen of the other.
Now it's time to veer off into conspiracy theory, but I really like this interpretation:
Spoiler:
The Emperor was born a normal-looking man and blended in with humanity for thousands of years. He was an incredibly gifted biomancer, among other abilities. I think all that's pretty well established.
But what's up with Malcador? A man with psychic power second only to the Emperor, entrusted with the full authority to act on the Emperor's behalf, who typically would speak for the Emperor when both were in the same location? This guy, who would be remembered as the most powerful human ever if he weren't overshadowed by the Big E (he moved Titan to a different part of the freaking solar system!) just so happens to come along at just the right time to aide the Emperor in the Great Crusade?
I don't buy it. When a smart little guy is attached at the hip to a big glowing Frankenstein who never talks, it's usually clear which one is the puppet and which is the master.
Now I know this isn't really supported in the fluff, but it isn't totally disproven by anything either. I believe that Malcador was the Emperor's original, true form. "The Emperor" as we know him was a shell, a golem of sorts, a vehicle for Malcador's power. This extended form was created to provide a natural figurehead, a perfect, inspirational being, for the unification of Earth and the Great Crusade. It also gave an Alpharius/Omegon type advantage: Malcador could split his consciousness between his bodies as he saw fit. He could lead from two places at once in totally different ways, or have both bodies in the same location, one providing the approachable voice, the other backing it up with the imposing visage.
Even at the end, when Malcador holds down the fort on the Golden Throne while the Emperor battles Horus, I believe this theory isn't disproven. The Emperor/Malcador would leave behind just barely enough of himself in his human form to keep the webway gate closed, taking the lion's share of power in the fighting half of the duo to take out Horus. Upon his return, his mortal body was already nearly destroyed. He was forced to abandon the Malcador body and retreat to the Emperor body in order to keep powering the throne.
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CalgarsPimpHand wrote:It always seemed to me that the Emperor was born a normal man, but with extraordinary powers - the most powerful single psychic being who ever lived, probably. Biomancy was definitely one of his fortes, seeing as he crafted the Primarchs and Space Marines. He would definitely have used his biomancy introspectively, to improve his own form. I think this could have ended up being recursive - the more powerful you make yourself, the better your biomancy, and so the more you can perfect your own being and increase your power again. The Emperor was humanity maxed out - the perfection of the human form. He could have been 10 feet tall and glowing with power, but made himself appear as a normal man, or vice versa - his power could have been concentrated in the frame of a normal human, projecting the form of a 10 foot tall god whenever necessary. Six of one, half dozen of the other.
Now it's time to veer off into conspiracy theory, but I really like this interpretation:
Spoiler:
The Emperor was born a normal-looking man and blended in with humanity for thousands of years. He was an incredibly gifted biomancer, among other abilities. I think all that's pretty well established.
But what's up with Malcador? A man with psychic power second only to the Emperor, entrusted with the full authority to act on the Emperor's behalf, who typically would speak for the Emperor when both were in the same location? This guy, who would be remembered as the most powerful human ever if he weren't overshadowed by the Big E (he moved Titan to a different part of the freaking solar system!) just so happens to come along at just the right time to aide the Emperor in the Great Crusade?
I don't buy it. When a smart little guy is attached at the hip to a big glowing Frankenstein who never talks, it's usually clear which one is the puppet and which is the master.
Now I know this isn't really supported in the fluff, but it isn't totally disproven by anything either. I believe that Malcador was the Emperor's original, true form. "The Emperor" as we know him was a shell, a golem of sorts, a vehicle for Malcador's power. This extended form was created to provide a natural figurehead, a perfect, inspirational being, for the unification of Earth and the Great Crusade. It also gave an Alpharius/Omegon type advantage: Malcador could split his consciousness between his bodies as he saw fit. He could lead from two places at once in totally different ways, or have both bodies in the same location, one providing the approachable voice, the other backing it up with the imposing visage.
Even at the end, when Malcador holds down the fort on the Golden Throne while the Emperor battles Horus, I believe this theory isn't disproven. The Emperor/Malcador would leave behind just barely enough of himself in his human form to keep the webway gate closed, taking the lion's share of power in the fighting half of the duo to take out Horus. Upon his return, his mortal body was already nearly destroyed. He was forced to abandon the Malcador body and retreat to the Emperor body in order to keep powering the throne.
I never liked this theory, though it is a good one dont get me wrong.
My armor is contempt
My shield is disgust
My sword is hatred
In the Emperors name
Let none survive! HERESY!!! HERESY!!! HERESY!!!
Master of Arms wrote:
I never liked this theory, though it is a good one dont get me wrong.
Yeah, I was violently opposed to it when I first saw it discussed, but the more I think about it, the more it grows on me. I mean, it really just makes sense. Yes the pieces fit in lots of other ways too, but this particular version of things rings truer somehow. Maybe because in reality, our myths and legends always seem to fall apart in the face of facts - even when something really happened, it never happened in the romanticized way we imagine it.
The real beauty of it is that it's so deliciously heretical, even we the readers/players seem to be offended by it on some level. It's the kind of theory that in-universe would earn you a bolt pistol round to the head, no questions asked - and whenever I see it brought up, it actually seems to provoke that level of fervor in some people in real life. It's really cool.
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