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Now, I, today, purchased a 2000 point Eldar army to add to my collection, and now have ALL the Aspects. So, what Aspect works best in Close-Combat?

Why is this in proposed rules?

Sorry, I think I got the forum wrong...




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How about Howling Banshees. With the Exarch's Executioner, it may be pretty good in Close Combat.

Um... it's an Eldar unit. There are no best. (There's only a worst in the Shiing Spears). Eldar are specialized and you only get one that's good at a certain task so you can't really compare them.
All you get to do is assign the star for the Aspect that works best against your local meta-game.

Scorpians for Hordes, Banshhes for MEQ and TEQ. simple.

Alright, Banshees, are they good against Chaos?

Supposedly, since Chaos (Space Marines) have power armour, which is what banshees are pretty much made to attack. Just doom them first.

Alright, thank you. Can it be any kind of Chaos Marines?

Any. Basically, they're wounding on 5's (Unless they have FC, which I think they don't have) and hit at I10. They better break the unit, or kill it when hey hit, because they have a low toughness. They have a 3+ armor save (I think), so they have marine saves.

They're for taking down small Meq units, like a Chosen squad or a Command Squad.

Unless their plague marines, in which case the Banshees are going to be screwed over(wounding on 6's) while the plagues can reduce their attacks AND still beat them down in melee relatively easy.

That's where I was going...

Scorps have a large number of attacks, and mandiblasters help, so they are good for thinning Gaunts and Boys mobs.


The thing about Eldar is they can't beat anyone without balance. The abilties of each unit are meant to "interweave and create a symphony of destruction that none can survive".

Having Strictly Banshees means that you do well against MEQs, but fail against Orks, Powerblob IG, and Nids, and Mech.

Having only SS means that hordes will go down like a sack of spuds, but MEQ and Mechs will eat you for breakfast.

Having only Fire Dragons will munch Mech Heavy armies, but a horde will blow your little Meltaguns outta exsistence.

Ten Banshees including an exarch with executioner will kill 2.17 plague marines in a round of combat. If the plague marines are doomed then that goes up to 3.75.

Best case (i.e. never going to happen) if the exarch has acrobatic, the marines charge after causing no damage in shooting, the girls pass their leadership and get their bonus attacks, and the marines are doomed the girls will kill 5.63 plague marines.

Deadshot wrote:Scorps have a large number of attacks, and mandiblasters help, so they are good for thinning Gaunts and Boys mobs.


The thing about Eldar is they can't beat anyone without balance. The abilties of each unit are meant to "interweave and create a symphony of destruction that none can survive".

Having Strictly Banshees means that you do well against MEQs, but fail against Orks, Powerblob IG, and Nids, and Mech.

Having only SS means that hordes will go down like a sack of spuds, but MEQ and Mechs will eat you for breakfast.

Having only Fire Dragons will munch Mech Heavy armies, but a horde will blow your little Meltaguns outta exsistence.

This is 100% accurate and i agree with this

what you might want to ask is how many SS or Howling Banshees you want in your armylist, but thats my dumb opinion

As said, Scorpions are good vs. hordes, while Banshees are good vs. MEQ (if the enemy unit is being doomed). 'Good'' in some sense - when the enemy hits back (like a Sergeant w/ pf or a Noob w/ power klaw, the Eldar will be in a world of hurt.
Generally Eldar has no competitive cc aspect. Play them in friendly games, otherwise leave Scorpies and Banshees at home. The only competitive cc unit that Eldar has is the Seer Council.

Harlequins!

They are not really an Aspect. They follow the Laughing God, not Khaine.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Harlequins!

As said by Deathshot, they are followers of the Laughing God and do not count as an Aspect. In fact, I generally back up my Seer Council with a unit of Harlies. They can also take on an isolated unit or a unit in cover (holding an objective) as they are fast and deadly.

So this means that the Seer Council is the best if we only use aspects, Harlequins if we dont use aspects, correct?

Well, a Seer Council is not an Aspect, its a collection of some of the Craftsworlds' most powerful Warlocks.

This "DeaTHshot" character sounds like a great guy. Have to talk with him sometime. .


Just my little joke.

What is a Seer council made up of?

A whole bunch of Warlocks, about 10 I think, and possibly a Farseer, with Witchblades IIRC.

as mentioned above, while harlequins are not an aspect, they are one of the better assault units in the game as they can move up the field quickly and in relative safety, usually hit first, and have furious charge and hit and run (which the death jester is great for: soften them up, then charge! then run away again!

edit: as an addendum, i think if you spam a CC eldar unit, ie 3x10 harlies or Banshees and have enough s6 and s9 in the back field, you can probably meet with success if you play your army well. if you can afford a seer council, and lots of anti rhino, you should be able to pop n chop FOR GREAT JUSTICE

The real problem with Striking Scorpions is that what they specialize in is absolutely not needed in the Eldar Codex.

Here is the thing with Scorpions- what can they kill that Bladestorming Dire Avengers or tri Flamer Storm Guardians can't kill better. Sadly the answer is very little. I would even argue its a negative number! Bladestorming Dire Avengers and 3 Flamer Storm Guardians are capable of shooting down light infantry like Wytches, which would normally own Scorpions (4+ dodge, 4+ FnP and better initiative) or Genestealers (higher initiative, re rolling to wound poison attacks, and rending)

Banshees however are actually capable of engaging Targets that your small arms fire fails against. Namely Blood Angels Assault Marines, and other heavy infantry which may be very resiliant to Eldar Small arms for whatever reason. This is because Initiative 10 mitigates the ridiculous initiatives of GK Halbreds, Genestealers, and Dark Eldar.
Having power weapons helps them slice through the increasing presence of the Feel No Pain rule- seriously this is the most over used special rule in any codex, and is currently tooo strong. It seriously needs to be nerfed to 5+... And finally, they have fleet of foot, which helps give them a few extra inches of movement to help them charge from outside of a Serpent which hasn't moved. Scorpions in their heavy armor lack fleet which slows them down and makes it harder to get in assault without exposing themselves.

So basically you've got a unit which is plagued by its low strength and relatively few number of attacks for a close combat unit, but makes up for it with special rules almost specifically tailored to breaking apart the current close combat meta game. As mentioned above the girls really need Doom to function. This is why they aren't competitive. They cost too many points, and require too much of an investment in your army to function. And even once they engage in glorious close combat, they are going to be fighting even at best against juggernauts of enemy close combat.

Banshees are fun though, and they are infinitely better than scorpions in the current metagame.

Just remember that Howling Banshees will be striking at initiative 1 instead of 10 if they have to assult into cover. So you really want to draw the enemy out of cover somehow if you plan on assulting with them.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Just remember that Howling Banshees will be striking at initiative 1 instead of 10 if they have to assult into cover. So you really want to draw the enemy out of cover somehow if you plan on assulting with them.

Might want to read the rules for Banshee Masks again.... Banshees and all the other assault units in the Eldar codex have some major flaws, but cover isn't one of them.

There is no best.

Eldar, like most Xeno armies(and Daemons), have squads that are good for specific jobs and excel at these jobs. You need to have every squad doing what they do best. No charging Banshees into blobs of 100 Conscripts, No Striking Scorpions into TH/SS Termies.

You need to find a balance that works for you, considering your Local Metagame.

I know your question was for "close combat." But might I suggest using firedragons to deal with pesky plague marines? Hit on 3s, wound on 2s, no saving throws. Each plague marine killed is 1.5x the cost of each of your fire dragons. Light em up. It's like swampgas in the morning. Sorry, tis a bit late, and I'm starting to get tired

OP, can try math hammer?