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I'm thinking about Crowe lists at several pt levels. Since I'm still in the phase of building the army, I'd appreciate some comments.

The core of the list could consist of

Crowe

4x 5 Purifiers w/ psycannon x2, daemon hammer x1, halberd x2,
mounted in Rhino or Razorback w/ heavy bolter (psy ammunition)

3 Psyfleman Dreads

This list comes down to 1450 pts.

Questions:
1) Could the configuration of the Purifier squads be improved (more bodies, weapons)?
2) Add 2nd HQ? Example: Xenos Inquisitor w/ rad, psychostroke grenades, servo skull x3)
3) Expansion to larger pt levels? Add more Purifier squads, venerable Dread(s), Storm Raven?

why do you need all identicle purifier squads? you are usually better off running 10 man squads, 4 halbards +hammer in a razorback and 4 psycannons and a sword as a HW squad

I dont see the point in giving a cc squad heavy weapons, psycannons /are/ awesome but I think specializing more will be better (4 i6 attacks isnt anything to write home about , 8-10 is

I would agree that HW in a CC unit is a bit of a waste. If you want a separate HW unit to shadow/covering the CC unit possibly softening up bigger targets before the CC unit engages that would work.

I play an 1850 list that I tinker a lot with - but that's just because I have a lot of models to test out. I have found rad grenades to be useful so picking up a cheap inquisitor with rad and sticking him with one of your cc units would be good.

As I've written else where psyrifle dreads are always a good thing I've tried maxing them out. Really not a lot of fun so I switched back to 3 but boy did 6 really scare the crap out of people.

Storm ravens are good for delivering death star packages - even if that's all they do before they croak. I've flown two in a list heavy with cc termies, a libby and a cc dread. The libby's cool because he can do the shrouding thing. If you keep the SR's within 6" of each other and move them flat out they get a 3+ cover save. I ran two SR's like that for four turns before they were finally shot down. And thanks to machine spirit I was firing my TL multi melta every turn at a vehicle.

My experience with the dreadknight is not that good. He does his little shunt move, shoots at what ever then, on the enemies turn, promptly gets shot to pieces. Seems like a very expensive distraction - but I love the model

Oh yeah, forgot. Servo skulls are kinda useless most of the time. I've tried them and they've only come in handy once preventing a sniper team from taking up residence in a nicely fortified ruin. Other than that 9 points could be used better elsewhere...actually anywhere...

I haven't tried regular troops so I don't know how effective warpquake is. Sounds like fun against daemons and drop pod armies...

Mhm in my head that list comes down to 1351, someone find the mistake one of us made? ^^ If i was correct with that amount i'd think about adding a vindicare or libby as a toy or more bodies and halberds otherwise, maybe up the dreads to ven dreads. If it's 50 pts as you said... yeah, bodies.
At lower points costs I'd recommand terminators over anything as troops choice due to their higher survivability. I honestly don't think you can really benefit from crowe w/purifiers below 2000, maybe 1850, given the alternative of a grandmaster making even dreads scoring in objective based missions, adding grenades and reserve improval as a candy.

wuestenfux wrote:
4x 5 Purifiers w/ psycannon x2, daemon hammer x1, halberd x2,
mounted in Rhino or Razorback w/ heavy bolter (psy ammunition)

Put them in Rhinos. That way, when the Rhino is destroyed, they can take the turret with them (their psycannons).

If you do this, you still have enough points to get a shrouding Librarian. Put that guy in the middle of this wad and steam roll.

OP your original list is fine. I wouldn't listen to the talk of combat squading larger units for specific purposes as (a) Grey Knights excel at being all-round units, not target specific and they pay for that in their cost, so might as well use it, and (b) you will have two squads with no transports.

this thread is of great interest to me so I'll be following closely. I'd like to hear peoples thoughts on rhinos vs razor backs as well

Whatever you decide to do with Purifiers, *always* us as many Psyflemen as possible. Seriously, those things are sicknasty

ironicsilence wrote:this thread is of great interest to me so I'll be following closely. I'd like to hear peoples thoughts on rhinos vs razor backs as well

For Purifiers I always use Rhinos. It will be a priority target for the enemy, so will usually get destroyed and they can essentially take the 'turret' with them since they are it. Also consider shooting efficiency, comparing a PsyBolter with 2 Psycannons out of the hatch:

Cruising Speed: Rhino - no shots, Razorback - no shots.
Combat Speed: Rhino - 4 S7 Rending, Razorback - 3 TL S6.
Stationary: Rhino - 8 S7 Rending, Razorback - 3 TL S6.

So while moving they are roughly equal, however while stationary the Rhino wins. However note this is only the case because of the presense of two Psycannons (which is why I always take Razorbacks for Strikes).

Thanks guys for the hints.
First, the list comes down to about 1350 pts so that it leaves some room even for a 1500 pt list.
Second, I'd consider Rhinos as being more useful than Razorbacks since the squads can stay inside and target the enemy with psycannons. Rhinos are rather survivable these days and they help to keep the enemy at arm's length.
Third, keeping the enemy at arm's length is a major tactics employed by this kind of army. CC is the last resort and here the halberds will help.
Fourth, maxing out Purifier squads and combat squadding them is an option. But then one unit needs to footslog (and so becomes more vulnerable) which makes this solution less attractive.
Fifth, the problem to expand this army to higher pt levels is still an issue since I think that you don't need more than 4 troop units even at the 2000 pt level - recently I won an RTT with mech Eldar, 2000 pts, with 2 troop units protected by Serpents.
Vindicare and Librarian were mentioned. They can be force multipliers but one needs to think carefully what kind of single model to include since the cost an apple and an egg. I'd leave out the Vindicare since he will die as soon as the enemy targets him. The Libby is good but needs to be protected, too, say by a small Termie unit. On the other hand , an Inquisitor is cheap and with rad grenades (and skulls) can be quite useful in assault.

If you want a tournament army, get 3 rifledreads, then fill in troops with psycannon purifiers and razorbacks. Pro-tip, run the purifiers on foot out of their vehicles into mid field and fire your SBs/psycannons.

If you want a funsie kinda assaulty force, get them halbreds and hammers w/ psycannons and do the rhino rush thing.

All purifiers are are the sternguard veteran squads of the GK codex, except they have some better stats, lack warp quake, and are fearless.

ivangterrace wrote:If you want a tournament army, get 3 rifledreads, then fill in troops with psycannon purifiers and razorbacks. Pro-tip, run the purifiers on foot out of their vehicles into mid field and fire your SBs/psycannons.

If you want a funsie kinda assaulty force, get them halbreds and hammers w/ psycannons and do the rhino rush thing.

All purifiers are are the sternguard veteran squads of the GK codex, except they have some better stats, lack warp quake, and are fearless.

your advice suprises me a little, dont think I've ever seen anyone run the purifiers on foot, unless you mean move then out of the razor after a turn or two?

I would keep it 1500pts, add a Banner to one squad, not the one Crowe joins, and get Extra Armour on a dread. If you have 5 pts left then MC one justicar's weapon.

Deadshot wrote:I would keep it 1500pts, add a Banner to one squad, not the one Crowe joins, and get Extra Armour on a dread. If you have 5 pts left then MC one justicar's weapon.

Crowe cant join a squad.

WAAAAH! that's a load of !

Why does he NOT have IC?

Because then he would be useful lol. Hes good its just hard to get him where he needs to be, and in KP games I usually have to hide him.

I would probably try to get more troops if possible. Psyfleman-Crowe-purifier lists have enough AT to deal with most of the mech-builds out there. What they falter in is the resiliency of their troops. No matter how good purifiers are, they still die like normal marines (except they won't run away after taking casualties to shooting).

Unless the meta you are playing in is really-mech heavy, you really don't need more than 3 dreads at 1500. I'd recommend 1 more troop choice - 5 strikers with psycannon in a rhino for $1.50. Then they can sit on the objective while Crowe steals their wheels.

Godless-Mimicry wrote:

ironicsilence wrote:this thread is of great interest to me so I'll be following closely. I'd like to hear peoples thoughts on rhinos vs razor backs as well

For Purifiers I always use Rhinos. It will be a priority target for the enemy, so will usually get destroyed and they can essentially take the 'turret' with them since they are it. Also consider shooting efficiency, comparing a PsyBolter with 2 Psycannons out of the hatch:

Cruising Speed: Rhino - no shots, Razorback - no shots.
Combat Speed: Rhino - 4 S7 Rending, Razorback - 3 TL S6.
Stationary: Rhino - 8 S7 Rending, Razorback - 3 TL S6.

So while moving they are roughly equal, however while stationary the Rhino wins. However note this is only the case because of the presense of two Psycannons (which is why I always take Razorbacks for Strikes).

The above is correct but just as an aside, don't forget your ranges!

HB is 36 inches
psycannon is 24 inches

a las/plas razor can engage at 48 with plasma cannons opening up at 36' as well. (along with your dreads at 48')

If you can play keep away effectively, it's an alternate strat as well.

It'll be kind of up to you to decide if you perfer to make your GK do a gunline or assault in. (that'd be a personal choice in my opinion, so you should see what you'd rather tailor for)

Additional edit - if you can't decide, you can always go 1/2 and 1/2 too or just try different versions till you are comfortable. Rhinos are solid choices for any units you see as going in to assault and a razor for any unit you see as backfield camping.

You can also do a 10 man purifier with combat squading with 1 rhino for the CC side, and have a 5 man strike squad camp an objective while the other 5 purifiers steal their ride.

As I've written else where psyrifle dreads are always a good thing I've tried maxing them out. Really not a lot of fun so I switched back to 3 but boy did 6 really scare the crap out of people.

really need a grand master in a 6 dread list

I have a 1750 list with 6 of them and still 6-8 scoring units in a cortez + grand master list (11 tanks total)