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Has anyone tried this for warriors and wyches? Can it work reasonably well or do you get blasted? Almost all my army is mechanised, whilst I have a few DE squads on foot for objectives and splinter weapon support. Just, I have quite a lot of infantry and wouldn't mind putting them all on the table without half (often more of) my points going on transports and other skimmers.

This has been discussed many times.

Try this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/361045.page

Or try this one: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/323004.page

Those threads are both rather old, and I believe enough has changed to have a new discussion.

My opinion: DE are one of the few armies that can make a pure foot list effectively. They have fleet nearly army wide, they have access to FNP, and they have units with beast movement and jump infantry. They have access to large quantities of foot base anti tank and anti infantry too.

The start of the a foot list is probably going to be the baron. Two reasons for this, he gives one unit stealth, and gives you a better chance of first turn. A third consideration is he makes hellions troops, should you wish to try them out (they can be effective as troops as opposed to FA, but keep in mind you will be needing quite a few if you go this route, and they take away from your anti tank units). Next consideration is beast packs. You probably want at least 2 largish units of these to be your screen/early assault/counter assault. The rest of the army should be a balance of anti tank shooting, anti infantry shooting and assault units. HS is the big question mark. Talos and chronos are a mixed bag, being slow means they need webway delivery (which isn't a bad idea, but in a foot list you don't get it very far upfield). If you forgo pure foot razorwings from reserve is a nasty thing to consider. Since you aren't spending so much transports, the point cost on these is potentially less of a factor. I don't recommend ravagers for a foot list because they will be the target of every anti armor weapon your opponent has, but due to the reputation of it, and the fact that it is likely the only the worth firing low volume high strength shooting into.

I've had.. reasonable success against majority infantry (3 vehicles or less) and at under 1500pts with a footslogging coven.

20-30 Wracks strolling up the field are relatively good at soaking up hits, then relatively good at dispatching troops when they hit.

4+ Grotesques and 2 talos and a cronos generally casually wander across the field soaking up almost all fire sent at them (I recall 8 grotesques getting shot by several plasma cannons / guns for 3 turns straight basically ignoring it all, then bowling into a squad of 5 termies and pretty much deciating them) and are really intimidating.

I mean, I've just meched up my force, 6 raiders, 3 venoms and a razorwing, for some added speed and Anti-Tank, but I'm quite sure I'll be having some footslogging shennangins still (sending squads of 10-30 grots for a stroll [1320 points of goodness with 3 haems xD) etc )

But ultimately - expect to do really well against infantry, ok against anything with 3-5 vheicles, and get fairly well mauled against pure mech lists / anything with extreme mobility.

And in the end - just have fun with it.

Im getting 1500 foot list with

Baron
2 haemy with portals and liquifier
2x9 Harlies with Shadowseer, jester, 2 fusion pistols (all have kisses naturally).
2 large pack of Helions
3 Talos with twin liquifier and haywire blaster.

Going second most of the time.Fielding harlies where enemy wont be able to shoot em, field webways first turn, depends on the enemy either deepstike Helions or place them behind harlies to get 3+ cover save and fnp from the start.

Helions serve as delivery system for Harlies and Talos charge, if things go badly - then hit'n'run and liquify trouble makers.
Haywire blasters mostly to get some reach with foot list against mobile force, to get vechicles staitonary and ready for Talos charge.

Thats fully assault army with accent on denying enemy AV targets or any target at all untill its too late.Thats also moderately mobile army with fleet jump troops , portals , and harlies who ignore terrain.

Thats also very low KP army, which have ways to deny enemy even those (good luck get down last shadowseer who used hit n run , or shoot helions with 2+ "go to ground" cover save and fnp).

notabot187 wrote:Those threads are both rather old, and I believe enough has changed to have a new discussion.

My opinion: DE are one of the few armies that can make a pure foot list effectively. They have fleet nearly army wide, they have access to FNP, and they have units with beast movement and jump infantry. They have access to large quantities of foot base anti tank and anti infantry too.

The start of the a foot list is probably going to be the baron. Two reasons for this, he gives one unit stealth, and gives you a better chance of first turn. A third consideration is he makes hellions troops, should you wish to try them out (they can be effective as troops as opposed to FA, but keep in mind you will be needing quite a few if you go this route, and they take away from your anti tank units). Next consideration is beast packs. You probably want at least 2 largish units of these to be your screen/early assault/counter assault. The rest of the army should be a balance of anti tank shooting, anti infantry shooting and assault units. HS is the big question mark. Talos and chronos are a mixed bag, being slow means they need webway delivery (which isn't a bad idea, but in a foot list you don't get it very far upfield). If you forgo pure foot razorwings from reserve is a nasty thing to consider. Since you aren't spending so much transports, the point cost on these is potentially less of a factor. I don't recommend ravagers for a foot list because they will be the target of every anti armor weapon your opponent has, but due to the reputation of it, and the fact that it is likely the only the worth firing low volume high strength shooting into.

I agree with you that DE can indeed put out loads of highly effective and incredibly fast infantry to create a fottslogging army howver they should beware of template weapons. Hellhouns, Bane wolfs, Redeemers, Battlecannons etc. An army with a few of these will cause grievious casualties unless you can cover-jump. Even so, on any open ground that list could struggle.

Ridealgh wrote:I agree with you that DE can indeed put out loads of highly effective and incredibly fast infantry to create a fottslogging army howver they should beware of template weapons. Hellhouns, Bane wolfs, Redeemers, Battlecannons etc. An army with a few of these will cause grievious casualties unless you can cover-jump. Even so, on any open ground that list could struggle.

, funny you should mention cover jumping. I once used that and had two wych squads save me a game after most of my army was dead. Twenty kitted out wyches killed nearly 600pts of guard infantry and vehicles

It work so well is why. My Pathfinders shall never give up their objective !

(unless some bloody assault marines deepstrike right nect to them and have flamers........bastards)

Mandrakes might actually find a good home in a list like this to tarpit units and draw some fire while the rest of your force runs across the board.