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So, from what I gather, a guy sexually molested some kids, and it got covered up. Now that he's getting the axe for it, the students are rioting and flipping news vans over because they all think this has something to do with football. Am I missing something here or are people that thick?
STATE COLLEGE, Pa – Late Wednesday night, at the Penn Stater Hotel and Conference Center, Penn State University’s Board of Trustees held a press conference. The situation deteriorated almost immediately.
After the Board announced that University President Graham Spanier and head coach Joe Paterno would be relieved of their respective duties, some students who had worked their way into the media assembly began shouting. They were not pleased.
“Do you realize that right now students are rioting because of your decision?” one screamed.
Board Vice Chairman John Surma thought about the question for a brief moment before responding: “Considering I’m here,” he said, “probably not.”
It was a smug answer, but even so it couldn’t have taken Surma long to regret the reply. Mere moments after the Board announced its decisions – both were unanimous, Surma said – thousands of students spilled into the center of campus. Some met up at Old Main, a Penn State administration building and university landmark, before migrating over to Beaver Avenue near Pugh Street.
When I arrived, the intersection was choked with people and it was hard to move. Sirens wailed. Beaver was blocked off by police cars, and on either side of the street you could see people hanging out of windows and perched on top of parking garages, all of them desperate to get a good view.
Most of the crowd seemed content to gawk and mill about and not get too involved beyond reflexive pushing and shoving over personal space invasion. There were chants, lots of them.
“We Love Joe” and “We Want Joe” and the ubiquitous “We are … Penn State.”
Now and then, when one student remembered why everyone was there in the first place, they would repeat far-less flattering things about Jerry Sandusky. Those chants were generally much shorter.
If all of this was set in motion by Sandusky’s alleged crimes – if students initially took to the streets and occupied Paterno’s lawn in a show of support for the football coach and a show of disgust for what the former defensive coordinator is accused of doing to at least eight small children over 15 unthinkable years – all of that seemed largely forgotten on Wednesday night. The riot – and it wasn’t much of one as those things go – felt more like a football rally or a frat party. The victims, if they were thought about at all, seemed to serve mainly as an excuse for many of the students to gather in one place and be college kids.
It was a sad and unfortunate thing to witness. What began as an investigation into heinous sex crimes had somehow been twisted and appropriated for the ignoble purposes of a low-rent flash mob.
Every so often someone would set off fireworks or climb a light pole and attempt to bring it down. I saw one crash onto Beaver Street and another almost plunge into a mass of people on College Avenue. Policemen in riot gear tried to disperse the crowd several times. It didn’t work.
Instead, the rally or the riot or the protest or whatever you might call it continued. More than a few drunks stumbled past me; one of them had a vuvuzela and blew into it almost nonstop. Even worse, and stranger, one student was carrying a giant circular cut out of Mel Gibson dressed as William Wallace from Braveheart. I asked a few people if they knew why. They didn’t, but they thought it was funny.
I overheard a girl standing next to me talking to a guy who appeared to be her boyfriend. She wanted him to overturn a car that was parked in the middle of the crowd. He declined. Later, over on College Avenue, the mob succeeded in flipping a TV truck. A great roar went up after that, and then students posed for pictures around and on top of the upended vehicle.
What little overt anger I encountered appeared reserved for the media. I watched a student in a knit cap, sweatshirt and mesh shorts follow a TV cameraman around and scream “f--- the media.” It didn’t take long for the crowd to pick up on it. The more the mob chanted, the more the kid in the cap fed off the energy. At one point, he pushed his face as close to the camera as possible and yelled “go home, no one wants you here.” It was the only time I thought someone was in real danger – aside from the frequent stampedes.
Because the crowd was packed together, you couldn’t see very far. At least four or five times, a giant knot of people suddenly untangled itself and sprinted in a random direction for no other reason than the man or woman next to them took off and looked panicked.
After the TV truck was overturned, a stampede started down College Avenue before emptying out onto a side street. As the runaway faction of the crowd slowed to a jog, I heard one guy turn to his buddy and say “why are we running?” His friend just shrugged.
If he had asked why they were there at all, I suspect the answer would have been the same.
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well...its college student peeps. There's actual protestors and then there's protesters with intent to disrupt. I rather deal with protestors
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You're right. I guess it's more about rioting than it is about rioting for a purpose. From what I'm reading they only used 7 cans of teargas. Only 7. Against a mob like that I'd be using a lot more.
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Necroshea wrote:So, from what I gather, a guy sexually molested some kids, and it got covered up. Now that he's getting the axe for it, the students are rioting and flipping news vans over because they all think this has something to do with football. Am I missing something here or are people that thick?
STATE COLLEGE, Pa – Late Wednesday night, at the Penn Stater Hotel and Conference Center, Penn State University’s Board of Trustees held a press conference. The situation deteriorated almost immediately.
After the Board announced that University President Graham Spanier and head coach Joe Paterno would be relieved of their respective duties, some students who had worked their way into the media assembly began shouting. They were not pleased.
“Do you realize that right now students are rioting because of your decision?” one screamed.
Board Vice Chairman John Surma thought about the question for a brief moment before responding: “Considering I’m here,” he said, “probably not.”
It was a smug answer, but even so it couldn’t have taken Surma long to regret the reply. Mere moments after the Board announced its decisions – both were unanimous, Surma said – thousands of students spilled into the center of campus. Some met up at Old Main, a Penn State administration building and university landmark, before migrating over to Beaver Avenue near Pugh Street.
When I arrived, the intersection was choked with people and it was hard to move. Sirens wailed. Beaver was blocked off by police cars, and on either side of the street you could see people hanging out of windows and perched on top of parking garages, all of them desperate to get a good view.
Most of the crowd seemed content to gawk and mill about and not get too involved beyond reflexive pushing and shoving over personal space invasion. There were chants, lots of them.
“We Love Joe” and “We Want Joe” and the ubiquitous “We are … Penn State.”
Now and then, when one student remembered why everyone was there in the first place, they would repeat far-less flattering things about Jerry Sandusky. Those chants were generally much shorter.
If all of this was set in motion by Sandusky’s alleged crimes – if students initially took to the streets and occupied Paterno’s lawn in a show of support for the football coach and a show of disgust for what the former defensive coordinator is accused of doing to at least eight small children over 15 unthinkable years – all of that seemed largely forgotten on Wednesday night. The riot – and it wasn’t much of one as those things go – felt more like a football rally or a frat party. The victims, if they were thought about at all, seemed to serve mainly as an excuse for many of the students to gather in one place and be college kids.
It was a sad and unfortunate thing to witness. What began as an investigation into heinous sex crimes had somehow been twisted and appropriated for the ignoble purposes of a low-rent flash mob.
Every so often someone would set off fireworks or climb a light pole and attempt to bring it down. I saw one crash onto Beaver Street and another almost plunge into a mass of people on College Avenue. Policemen in riot gear tried to disperse the crowd several times. It didn’t work.
Instead, the rally or the riot or the protest or whatever you might call it continued. More than a few drunks stumbled past me; one of them had a vuvuzela and blew into it almost nonstop. Even worse, and stranger, one student was carrying a giant circular cut out of Mel Gibson dressed as William Wallace from Braveheart. I asked a few people if they knew why. They didn’t, but they thought it was funny.
I overheard a girl standing next to me talking to a guy who appeared to be her boyfriend. She wanted him to overturn a car that was parked in the middle of the crowd. He declined. Later, over on College Avenue, the mob succeeded in flipping a TV truck. A great roar went up after that, and then students posed for pictures around and on top of the upended vehicle.
What little overt anger I encountered appeared reserved for the media. I watched a student in a knit cap, sweatshirt and mesh shorts follow a TV cameraman around and scream “f--- the media.” It didn’t take long for the crowd to pick up on it. The more the mob chanted, the more the kid in the cap fed off the energy. At one point, he pushed his face as close to the camera as possible and yelled “go home, no one wants you here.” It was the only time I thought someone was in real danger – aside from the frequent stampedes.
Because the crowd was packed together, you couldn’t see very far. At least four or five times, a giant knot of people suddenly untangled itself and sprinted in a random direction for no other reason than the man or woman next to them took off and looked panicked.
After the TV truck was overturned, a stampede started down College Avenue before emptying out onto a side street. As the runaway faction of the crowd slowed to a jog, I heard one guy turn to his buddy and say “why are we running?” His friend just shrugged.
If he had asked why they were there at all, I suspect the answer would have been the same.
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Wow! Good article but damn, college kids down south got they heads in the wrong places man. Why does it seem like no one cares about the real issues anymore. The government has brainwashed us all into thinking that celebrities and sports are more important than family values, life/death, and current political events. Some people/ all people are F***ing dumb!
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Some guy that worked for Joe Paterno molested some kids. The coach may have known about it (although IIRC he's the one who reported him). The school fired him.
Joe Paterno is the greatest college football coach in the history of college football, and for him to be thrown out on his behind and remembered solely for this scandal is outrageous.
I'm not a fan of Penn State, but he deserved far more than what he got from the Board.
biccat wrote:Some guy that worked for Joe Paterno molested some kids. The coach may have known about it (although IIRC he's the one who reported him). The school fired him.
They didn't just fire him they also fired several other people, including the President. There was no question of whether they knew or not...they did know. A student saw the assistant coach sexually assault a student in the showers. That student told the coach, who told his boss, and then nothing ever happened with it. It was just forgotten. None of them reported it to the authorities and the guy went on to do it a few more times to other students. All-in-all I think they got him for 8 different victims. The way people are acting you would think he was being charged with a crime. He failed to live up to his position and role of leader when he ignored a sexual predator in their midst to focus on a sports game. It doesn't matter how long he or the others were there, as this is a huge mistake. It isn't that they didn't report someone skinning their knee near the swimming pool, they didn't report a rapist who went on to do it again.
And it wasn't just 'some guy', he was his assistant and being groomed to take over the franchise. This wasn't some random janitor.
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biccat wrote:Some guy that worked for Joe Paterno molested some kids. The coach may have known about it (although IIRC he's the one who reported him). The school fired him.
Joe Paterno is the greatest college football coach in the history of college football, and for him to be thrown out on his behind and remembered solely for this scandal is outrageous.
I'm not a fan of Penn State, but he deserved far more than what he got from the Board.
No, he totally deserved to be fired. He never checked up on whether it was reported to the police or not, even though the guy continued to work there. IMHO, they should have sacked a lot more people than paterno and the president. And I don't care if you're the greatest coach to ever grace to earth, to let the rape of a 10 year old slide is ridiculous...I hope it's all he's ever remembered for
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Ahtman wrote:He failed to live up to his position and role of leader when he ignored a sexual predator in their midst to focus on a sports game.
The problem is that he didn't fail to live up to his position. He reported the guy to his superior (athletic director), which is what he was supposed to do. Coach Paterno had no obligation (either ethically or legally) to report the guy to the police.
If there was some evidence that Coach Paterno knew the Athletic Director was covering for this guy, maybe you could make the case that he had an ethical obligation to report to the authorities. But I haven't seen anything that supports that.
Jonesyboy12 wrote:Wow! Good article but damn, college kids down south got they heads in the wrong places man. Why does it seem like no one cares about the real issues anymore. The government has brainwashed us all into thinking that celebrities and sports are more important than family values, life/death, and current political events. Some people/ all people are F***ing dumb!
Down South? Thats funny right there.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Ahtman wrote:He failed to live up to his position and role of leader when he ignored a sexual predator in their midst to focus on a sports game.
The problem is that he didn't fail to live up to his position. He reported the guy to his superior (athletic director), which is what he was supposed to do.
Doing the minimum, the sign of quality leadership. Even he admits that he should have done more.
biccat wrote:Coach Paterno had no obligation (either ethically or legally) to report the guy to the police.
Gosh, do you think that may be why he is not being charged with a crime? And I would disagree, and so would a great many other including the people who had to make the decision (and again, even Joe himself) would say that he actually did have an ethical obligation. I would also bet his contract has some sort of morals and/or ethics clause as well.
biccat wrote: If there was some evidence that Coach Paterno knew the Athletic Director was covering for this guy
No one is saying there was a deliberate cover up. It was incidental and caused by apathy, disinterest, or a combination of both.
biccat wrote:maybe you could make the case that he had an ethical obligation to report to the authorities.
The people who fired him apparently felt that he should have. Of course they also felt the other people that were fired should have as well. People keep talking like he was singled out when it wasn't just him.
biccat wrote: But I haven't seen anything that supports that.
You don't want to see anything that supports that.
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Ahtman wrote:He failed to live up to his position and role of leader when he ignored a sexual predator in their midst to focus on a sports game.
The problem is that he didn't fail to live up to his position. He reported the guy to his superior (athletic director), which is what he was supposed to do.
Doing the minimum, the sign of quality leadership. Even he admits that he should have done more.
biccat wrote:Coach Paterno had no obligation (either ethically or legally) to report the guy to the police.
Gosh, do you think that may be why he is not being charged with a crime? And I would disagree, and so would a great many other including the people who had to make the decision (and again, even Joe himself) would say that he actually did have an ethical obligation. I would also bet his contract has some sort of morals and/or ethics clause as well.
biccat wrote: If there was some evidence that Coach Paterno knew the Athletic Director was covering for this guy
No one is saying there was a deliberate cover up. It was incidental and caused by apathy, disinterest, or a combination of both.
biccat wrote:maybe you could make the case that he had an ethical obligation to report to the authorities.
The people who fired him apparently felt that he should have. Of course they also felt the other people that were fired should have as well. People keep talking like he was singled out when it wasn't just him.
biccat wrote: But I haven't seen anything that supports that.
You don't want to see anything that supports that.
I hate to say it but Ahtman's 100% right on this. Is it just me or is when you see someone with a kid ina shower, you like call the cops after you've beaten the offender to death? You don't go off and report it and have it forgotten. This is gak crazy.
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biccat wrote: But I haven't seen anything that supports that.
You don't want to see anything that supports that.
I'll be happy to change my opinion on this matter if you can show that Paterno knew that the issue was being covered up.
I believe that he fulfilled his ethical obligations when he reported the incident to the athletic director. I haven't seen any new facts to change this.
biccat wrote: But I haven't seen anything that supports that.
You don't want to see anything that supports that.
I'll be happy to change my opinion on this matter if you can show that Paterno knew that the issue was being covered up.
I believe that he fulfilled his ethical obligations when he reported the incident to the athletic director. I haven't seen any new facts to change this.
horsegak. He didn't report it TO THE POLICE.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Imagine you find out this guy assaulted your kid (or you for that matter) and then imagine you find out that the faculty and coaching staff knew about it but nothing was ever done. A memo was made, quips were exhanged, and that was it.
If this were some small school this wouldn't be an issue and most of the people freaking out would think it was right to discharge (not arrest) the coach and President for letting it go but this is a sacred cow coach. He won a lot of football games, you see.
I don't think he is a bad guy and I'm sorry this had to happen, but he fethed up and he got fired, which is probably the right thing to do over an incident of this magnitude.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote:Imagine you find out this guy assaulted your kid (or you for that matter) and then imagine you find out that the faculty and coaching staff knew about it but nothing was ever done. A memo was made, quips were exhanged, and that was it.
I can guarantee that the perp would not be on trial. He would be busy pushing up daisies.
Ahtman wrote:If this were some small school this wouldn't be an issue and most of the people freaking out would think it was right to discharge (not arrest) the coach and President for letting it go but this is a sacred cow coach. He won a lot of football games, you see.
And it would be just as wrong to do this at a small school. It's not about football games, the whole thing is a case of trying to find a big enough scapegoat. And Joe Paterno is the biggest target at Penn State.
Ahtman wrote:I don't think he is a bad guy and I'm sorry this had to happen, but he fethed up and he got fired, which is probably the right thing to do over an incident of this magnitude.
I'm still not sure how he fethed up. He did what he was supposed to do - report the incident to the AD. He didn't know that this guy had a history of abuse, that he did this to multiple kids, or that the guy was a pervert. He heard about one event and reported it appropriately. If he knew more he should have done more. But he didn't.
I originally felt much the way Biccat did on this, but as the facts ooze out, it seems more and more questionable.
The eyewitness to one of the rapes reported it to Paterno with pretty visceral detail. This eyewitness was a graduate assistant at the time and is currently head of recruiting, so he's a pretty credible witness. JoPa's legal and ethical obligations were to pass the information up, which he did.
The problem is... nobody followed up. And, in the interim, it looks like several more kids were abused. I'm neutral on if he should have been fired, but it says something about a man's character that he was content to pass information along.
I do feel bad for both Paterno and the eyewitness: both were placed in bad situations. I'm a little tired of the outrage you see in the media (sports talk radio in particular), as I think protecting a friend and colleague, even through inaction, is something that a lot of people are willing to do. If I heard that a friend and colleague did something horrible, and I reported it to who I was supposed to, and they do nothing... how hard am I supposed to work to expose a friend?
What makes this situation terrible is that the inaction resulted in further abuse. In a lot of people's minds, some of the blame for all the later abuse rests on the shoulders of people that did nothing to stop it.
And I actually disagree that JoPa is being idolized because he is high profile. I think a person in his position, absent media scrutiny, would almost always keep his job. If, say, a student teacher reported to the principal that he saw a guidance counselor molesting a student, and the principal reported this to the superintendent... nobody would care. It's public outrage, not the acutal morals of the situation, that lead to his firing.
I'm still not sure how he fethed up. He did what he was supposed to do - report the incident to the AD.
NO. When you see a rape occurring you're supposed to call the police.
He didn't do what he was supposed to do. None of them did.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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biccat wrote:And it would be just as wrong to do this at a small school.
At least you now admit that it was wrong.
biccat wrote:It's not about football games
You can say that till your blue in the face, that won't make it true.
biccat wrote:the whole thing is a case of trying to find a big enough scapegoat. And Joe Paterno is the biggest target at Penn State.
HE WASN'T THE ONLY PERSON FIRED. He isn't a scapegoat, he was in charge and while he was in charge something criminal happened. It is funny how you want to blame Obama for everthing that happens while he is in charge but you don't apply that same standard here.
biccat wrote:I'm still not sure how he fethed up.
Because you are either willingly remaining ignorant or not paying attention.
biccat wrote:He did what he was supposed to do - report the incident to the AD.
They didn't do what they were supposed to becuase if they had, they would still have their jobs. It may help you to understand the situation if you start to realize this is seen as a fundamental failure of the staff and it's leadership and not some weird conspiracy against wacky ol' Uncle Joe.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
The one detail that's often forgotten is that one of the people that JoPa reported the incident to, Gary Schultz, was a Penn State VP in charge of the campus police.
Which is one reason (the main being perjury) that Mr. Schutlz is currently indicted.
Here's an interesting article discussing the legal aspects of the case:
kronk, the rape of 10 year old children isn't a viable target for comedy mate. Let's leave that out of the thread or it's going to go downhill rapidly.
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Ahtman wrote:At least you now admit that it was wrong.
wait, are you now agreeing with me?
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biccat wrote:It's not about football games
You can say that till your blue in the face, that won't make it true.
You're making a completely baseless accusation, so please excuse me if I don't take your comment seriously.
Ahtman wrote:HE WASN'T THE ONLY PERSON FIRED. He isn't a scapegoat, he was in charge and while he was in charge something criminal happened. It is funny how you want to blame Obama for everthing that happens while he is in charge but you don't apply that same standard here.
He wasn't in charge. The guy was retired and therefore not under Paterno's control. Paterno couldn't have fired the guy. He reported it to the AD, who could revoke the guy's access to the locker rooms, etc.
Ahtman wrote:Because you are either willingly remaining ignorant or not paying attention.
Ah, of course. Because I don't believe the same thing as you do I'm ignorant.
Ahtman wrote:They didn't do what they were supposed to becuase if they had, they would still have their jobs. It may help you to understand the situation if you start to realize this is seen as a fundamental failure of the staff and it's leadership and not some weird conspiracy against wacky ol' Uncle Joe.
I'm not saying it's a conspiracy. It's a high-profile case that demands a high-profile response.
You keep obliquely referring to some secret knowledge you have of this case. If the knowledge you possess is so compelling, why not share it with the rest of us?
Oh, and thanks Polonius for noting that Paterno reported this incident to the VP in charge of the campus police. That strengthens my case even more.
Frazzled wrote:NO. When you see a rape occurring you're supposed to call the police.
He didn't see a rape, he heard about the incident from a witness to the rape. He apparently then contacted the guy in charge of the Campus Police.
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