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CT GAMER wrote:biccat I assume with as much time as you spend on the internet that you know how to google some of the massive amounts of stories, reports and discusssion that has happened in just the past few days on this, many of which discuss the points I made above if you really wanted to research the case.

I've read quite a bit about this case, and haven't seen anything even close to the massive Paterno-centric conspiracy you claimed. Like I said upthread, if there is new information that comes out about Paterno's involvement (yes, I've seen the grand jury report) I'm happy to change my mind. But you didn't provide any new information.

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CT GAMER wrote:I don't know about you, but if I have an employee, and if that employee has been the subject of a grand jury investigation for child sexual abuse, and other employees have reported to me seeing him rape children in my own facility, I certainly don't continue to allow him to be in my facility.

I agree completely. In fact, even if he wasn't my employee (and Sandusky wasn't Paterno's employee), I'd make every effort to get him the hell out of the facility or at the very least have him supervised every minute that he's in the facility.

But this isn't about what I would do, it's about what Paterno did.

biccat wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:biccat I assume with as much time as you spend on the internet that you know how to google some of the massive amounts of stories, reports and discusssion that has happened in just the past few days on this, many of which discuss the points I made above if you really wanted to research the case.

I've read quite a bit about this case, and haven't seen anything even close to the massive Paterno-centric conspiracy you claimed. Like I said upthread, if there is new information that comes out about Paterno's involvement (yes, I've seen the grand jury report) I'm happy to change my mind. But you didn't provide any new information.

I'm honestly not sure what you're talking about.

Sandusky is Paterno's DC in 1998. Has been for quite some time. Everyone sees him as the likely heir to JoePa's coaching gig. In 1998, Sandusky allegedly has inappropriate sexual contact with a kid in the PSU showers. Two State College Police detectives eavesdrop on conversations between Sandusky and the victim's mother, in which Sandusky admits to wrongdoing. PA Department of Public Welfare investigators interview Sandusky, who admits wrongdoing to them.

Paterno tells Sandusky he's not getting the head coaching job sometime in 1998/99. Paterno is reported to have known about the 1998 incident investigation.

The same thing, only worse, happens in 2002. He gets an eye witness report from a 28 year-old graduate assistant coach. Said coach, by the way, is a coward. That's two reported incidents in four years. JoePa does nothing beyond the legal minimum in the nine years subsequent, despite Sandusky being a fixture of the PSU football complex. Sandusky's no longer JoePa's employee, but...so what? Who cares?

I've drawn the conclusion that JoePa, along with a hell of a lot of other people, made the conscious decision to protect the Penn State brand rather than defenseless boys.

As far as the ethics arguments...sorry, but no. If one of my employees reports that he just saw Brad raping Jen out back, I don't kick it up the chain. I call the cops, then I call my boss. Things might work differently in the very, very, very few professions that have laws to protect confidentiality, but out in the rest of the world, you report suspected criminal activity to the cops.

A couple of disgusting points about the incident McQueary saw:

1) Paterno waited 10 days to talk with the AD about it.
2) No one at PSU made an effort to find out who the child was.

More is going to come out, and it's going to become more and more implausible that Paterno didn't know.

Seaward wrote:

I've drawn the conclusion that JoePa, along with a hell of a lot of other people, made the conscious decision to protect the Penn State brand rather than defenseless boys.

And that is the most disgusting aspect of this story. Multiple people had a chance to report what was going on, to confront the predator, and make a general stink, and instead they chose to dummy up and forget in the interest of Penn State Football ( a multi-million dollar enterprise).

On top of that people with the power to remove him allowed him to continue to have access to the facilities and associate with the program up until last week when the feth began to hit the fan.

We saw this general lack of common sense and derranged loyalty in the video footage of moronic Penn students chanting Joe's name and ignoring the crimes against children that have been on the news in the past 48 hours and we will likely see the circus continue on Saturday at the game.

Personally I hope the morons riot and get clubbed down by police...

gorgon wrote:A couple of disgusting points about the incident McQueary saw:

1) Paterno waited 10 days to talk with the AD about it.

you.fething.what?!?!

Hear me out guys....

Have you ever heard of a documentary called "Conspiracy of Silence"? Watch it, it's on Youtube.

I believe that this instance is directly related to what we are seeing at Penn State.


Also, here's a good time line about the recent allegations:

It appears that Sandusky was recruiting for PSU as recently as this spring. I believe that's an NCAA violation, but more importantly it's pretty weird that he was still representing the university even with the grand jury investigation underway.
Of course, he was the commencement keynote speaker at PSU as recently as 2007, years after he was told by PSU not to bring kids to campus anymore.

http://www.wyff4.com/r/29738465/detail.html


Here's a good summary of the overall story from the paper that's been leading the charge (IMO they'll win the Pulitzer). Be prepared to get upset and angry.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

gorgon wrote:It appears that Sandusky was recruiting for PSU as recently as this spring. I believe that's an NCAA violation, but more importantly it's pretty weird that he was still representing the university even with the grand jury investigation underway.
Of course, he was the commencement keynote speaker at PSU as recently as 2007, years after he was told by PSU not to bring kids to campus anymore.

http://www.wyff4.com/r/29738465/detail.html


Here's a good summary of the overall story from the paper that's been leading the charge (IMO they'll win the Pulitzer). Be prepared to get upset and angry.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

So McQueary can break up a knife fight between 2 college football athletes, but couldn't stop an old man from raping a young boy? Wow.
i really, really don't see how he lives with himself after that?

Thanks for the links gorgon. Pennlive was a great article.

Update -- the reporter may have gotten it wrong with the South Carolina story. Might have been someone else and not Sandusky.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

I hate to say it but Ahtman's 100% right on this. Is it just me or is when you see someone with a kid ina shower, you like call the cops after you've beaten the offender to death? You don't go off and report it and have it forgotten. This is gak crazy.

This! A thousand times this. And now Penn state is rioting? You're an embarassment to our entire civilization penn state.

Agreed. Did you know at one point, Pennsylvania had more militias per capita than any location in the US?

CT GAMER wrote:Personally I hope the morons riot and get clubbed down by police...

Can we get the Oakland PD on a plane?

Monster Rain wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:Personally I hope the morons riot and get clubbed down by police...

Can we get the Oakland PD on a plane?

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Just finished watching the game.

karma can be a b*tch sometimes...

So glad they lost so we didn't have to witness the Penn state masses act like clueless idiots post-game.

CT GAMER wrote:Just finished watching the game.

karma can be a b*tch sometimes...

So glad they lost so we didn't have to witness the Penn state masses act like clueless idiots post-game.

Like someone said up-thread, it's all about football.

CT GAMER wrote:So glad they lost so we didn't have to witness the Penn state masses act like clueless idiots post-game.

They did plenty of that over the week, though.

Maybe they're tired out.

Have you guys noticed the NCAA is doing NOTHING about this? I bet they knew about Sandusky's crimes the whole time.

DoctorZombie wrote: Have you guys noticed the NCAA is doing NOTHING about this? I bet they knew about Sandusky's crimes the whole time.

No NCAA rules violations have been committed.

They have rules against giving an athlete a pair of new sneakers, but no rules that address letting people use your facilitites to rape little boys...

Weirdly there seems to be actual rules, like laws and stuff, that are supposed to govern that sort of activity.

I'll just leave this here...

Did the dots lead to something you meant to leave...?

It shows up for me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U-dBwrkY3Xk

SlaveToDorkness wrote:I'll just leave this here...

NBD. Here's what I see.


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Its a blank space in case I still don't see something that you do. The BS of A thing was funny though.

Your quote shows it as well as my post.

Weird

AustonT wrote:Weirdly there seems to be actual rules, like laws and stuff, that are supposed to govern that sort of activity.

Thats just a scary concept isn't it.

The judge who gave Sandusky a bargain basement bail (1/5th of what prosecution seeked) donated to and worked for his "charity". Quite the tangled web down there.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The judge who gave Sandusky a bargain basement bail (1/5th of what prosecution seeked) donated to and worked for his "charity". Quite the tangled web down there.

Money is like water on pavement, and football there is big money. It is so pervasive it would probably be hard to find anyone in some decently high office that isn't connected in some way to the program.

Wait, The guys book is called 'Touched:The Jerry Sandusky Story'?

That is an extremely unfortunate title in hindsight...

This really isn't getting any better...

Sandusky lawyer impregnated a teen.