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OK, Crying is healthy (proven fact) it takes emotional loads off you. But in the 41st millennium it would look pansy. Would SM be kept healthy by crying or would they have their tear ducts ripped out, as it would look unfitting for a loyal servant of the emperor to be crying after he had a particularly painful sneezing fit?

Men don't cry.
They'd need their tear ducts because they keep the eye lubricated. You'd go blind without them.

Read Salamanders trilogy. The Salamanders cry in that.

I imagine they would shed a tear or two over something tragic to them, but they wouldn't have an emotional breakdown.

Marines can cry, but you gotta ask yourself, would a man who finds something such as any form of violence or destruction ever pass initiation into being a marine?

No, normally they wouldn't pass. They would die, being weeded out for stronger men with more iron constitutions. That moment of emotional weakness might be just enough to get a recruit killed, and so he would die before becoming a full battle brother.

That said, I would completely believe a marine shedding a tear or two if, say, their entire chapter is exterminated except for him. Granted, it wouldn't be full blown weeping, but a tear or two wouldn't be out of place.

Not crying because of violence, but when you look into a bright light really quick, someone hits you in the nose or when you start sneezing. This is human (and perhaps superhuman) so would SM do it?

Mr Nobody wrote:I imagine they would shed a tear or two over something tragic to them, but they wouldn't have an emotional breakdown.

This.

Didn't Pedro shed a tear when his fortress exploded and killed almost half of his marines?

Knowing Space Marines as genetically engineered killing machines, I feel oddly awkward thinking about them as human beings with feelings. They're ruthless and unstoppable, feel no fear, but if they feel no fear, why would they feel sadness? Other than the sadness needed for mourning a loss, but that loss would be one for the emperor, probably not so much on a personal level? I don't know much about the fluff, but it seems strange to me how one can feel no fear, yet can feel sadness. I've always viewed Space Marines' emotions as pretty mechanical and only tied to triumph in their conquests, and that they would feel emotion over a common thing, rather than a purely personal tragedy/triumph.

Amphsix wrote:Knowing Space Marines as genetically engineered killing machines, I feel oddly awkward thinking about them as human beings with feelings. They're ruthless and unstoppable, feel no fear, but if they feel no fear, why would they feel sadness? Other than the sadness needed for mourning a loss, but that loss would be one for the emperor, probably not so much on a personal level? I don't know much about the fluff, but it seems strange to me how one can feel no fear, yet can feel sadness. I've always viewed Space Marines' emotions as pretty mechanical and only tied to triumph in their conquests, and that they would feel emotion over a common thing, rather than a purely personal tragedy/triumph.

This. I find it hard to picture SM having enough emotional depth to cry. You can't really expect your killing machines to have a healthy emotional outlook.

The apothecary in Helsreach cries on more than one occasion over the deaths of his brothers. He's seen as too emotional by Grimaldus, but then again Grimaldus is kind of a dick.

The only way to get a SM cry is to inflict damage on his chapter or squadmates he's very close to/has grown up with. Nothing else will cut it. Even then it'll probably be the younger ones.

Though even Horus cried before the Emperor killed him.

Do they feel love? If they do they might cry, for obvious reasons.

The big E weeps. So why shouldn't his sons?
After all, emotion is (basically) what caused the HH, and also decimated the Imperial fists (pride).

So space marines could cry, but would do so in times of very heavy grief.

space marine tears cure the plague of unbelief but getting them is the hard part.

Space Marines cant cry.... they are made of plastic.

But you could model blood angels into the Emperor's crybabies chapter, all the blooddrop icons would be easy to adapt...

Sure Astartes can and likely do shed tears, I have seen real world hard ass military break down on occasion, but it does not stop them from doing their duty, if Astartes have been enginered so far from human norms that they can't shed a tear for a tragic loss, then they have become aliens to humanity.

And for all those young tough guys that think real men don't cry, well life is waiting to prove you wrong.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:Space Marines cant cry.... they are made of plastic.

But you could model blood angels into the Emperor's crybabies chapter, all the blooddrop icons would be easy to adapt...

Sure Astartes can and likely do shed tears, I have seen real world hard ass military break down on occasion, but it does not stop them from doing their duty, if Astartes have been enginered so far from human norms that they can't shed a tear for a tragic loss, then they have become aliens to humanity.

And for all those young tough guys that think real men don't cry, well life is waiting to prove you wrong.

Blame society
Its all sorts of fethed up.

There is a difference between not having emotions (which is the way a lot of people see Space Marines) and having control over your emotions (which I htink is closer to the way SM are trained).

I don't think that they do not know fear, I think that they have the whole "courage in the face of fear" thing going on.

Same with sadness. It seems like the events that unfolded at the end of the first Dark Angels HH books are a good example of actual Space Marines feeling sadness, confusion, and anger after being abandoned by their primarch.

I don't think we would ever see a SM colapse in the middle of a battle and cry like a little baby.

But I can see a Space Marine mourn his lost battle brothers, even shed a tear, and then use his mastery of emotions to channel that sadness into righous fury to slay the enemy of the emperor.

Lorgar cries when the Emperor hits him with the mighty hammer of pwn

It looks like its possible for them to cry, but Space Marines probably only cry when something horrible happens to them that is beyond belief (even for a Space Marine).

I remember reading about a Chaos Marine crying, but he was weeping blood while killing imperials because he felt sorry for them, never having experienced Chaos... But I can't see a SM crying because he hurt his foot.

I expect some space marines cried when their Primarchs died.

IIRC and I could be wrong, some of the Night Lords weep at the end of Throne of Lies. Then again, they are watching their primarch die on repeat.

And yeah, very big difference between controlling emotion and not having emotion.

As for plastic, when the glue comes out too fast, it can certainly look like they're crying :p

Dark Apostle 666 wrote:I remember reading about a Chaos Marine crying, but he was weeping blood while killing imperials because he felt sorry for them, never having experienced Chaos.

How can you cry blood? And also, do Marines feel love?

Hellwolf wrote:

Dark Apostle 666 wrote:I remember reading about a Chaos Marine crying, but he was weeping blood while killing imperials because he felt sorry for them, never having experienced Chaos.

How can you cry blood? And also, do Marines feel love?

Other than brotherly affection, I don't think so.

I believe that all the pre- heresy thousand sons start shedding tears when they believe magnus to be dead? is that true?

Ultrafool wrote:Didn't Pedro shed a tear when his fortress exploded and killed almost half of his marines?

If I remember correctly he only felt an deep couge in his heart, but didn't shed tears. His men were seeking his guidance and he couldn't show weakness.

A Space Marine that has emotions but controls them is a damn sight more interesting and sympathetic than a Space Marine incapable of emotion at all-- by that point, you might as well be writing a novel about the life of the Land Raider they're all riding in.

And seriously, don't even get me started on that "real men don't cry" nonsense.

Space Marines cry all the time... in fact, all MEQ are crying over Matt Ward's latest travesty... CODEX: Necrons

AvatarForm wrote:Space Marines cry all the time... in fact, all MEQ are crying over Matt Ward's latest travesty... CODEX: Necrons

The Codex isn't that bad...its just terribly written.

Ok, and it does seem to be good at killing IoM factions.

I think crying out of joy is acceptable. like when you see the primarch of the ultramarines, or the emperor or somesuch. that would be enough to make any loyalist cry. Also if you play chaos i figure crying in joy while slaying a nursery full of babies would be acceptable for slaneesh.

seriously though. Marines cry. its ok.