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if so what would you put in it?

Only foot list that has worked for me.

Lord Kaldor Draigo
Librarian - Might of Titans, Sanctuary, Shrouding, Warp Rift

10x Paladins - 2x Psycannons, 4x Halberds, Psybolt Ammo, 1x MC-Hammer, Warding Stave, Brotherhood Banner, Apothecary
5x Paladins - 2x Psycannons, 3x Halberds, Psybolt ammo
1x Paladin - Hammer

Dread w/ Autocannons & Psybolt
Dread w/ Autocannons & Psybolt
Dread w/ Autocannons & Psybolt

How many points is that, 2000?

25 points short of 2000, still trying to figure out what to spend the 25 on

Master Craft the Psycannons in the Paladin squads at 5 points each with your spare points.

Or drop the psybolt ammo on the 2nd Paladin squad if you want to free up some more points. 20 points for 3 models isn't worth it. Then you can give the Librarian a warding stave.

Has anyone made a decent footlist that isn't all Paladins? Lots of GKSSs could mean lots of firepower.

its possable, but probably only with some Interceptor squads banging around with psycannons.

You want as many psycannons on the board as possable in this case.


librarians would be a good idea too so they can give your dudes 3+ cover saves

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why are paladins better than just going for more numbers with normal termies

Joe Mama wrote:Has anyone made a decent footlist that isn't all Paladins? Lots of GKSSs could mean lots of firepower.

Yes. There are several good foot army builds in the GK codex that are not Paladins.

Because every time aterminator takes a wound you lose his firepower and assault. Paladins do so only when hit with ID weapons or the squad has taken wounds equal to the number of models in the squad. This makes a considerable difference in play (despite wild claims by some players about all their massed ID just shooting paladins down at the same rate as terminators in play things don't work out like that). In essence paladins are almost immune to small arms fire - to remove a single terminator with a BS4 S4 Ap3+ weapon will take 18 shots on average. If you've got a 5 man paladin squad you'll need 108 such shots before a model disappears. In that time the terminator squad would be wiped, losing firepower with every model removed, whereas the paladins would still be churning it out at full strength.

Also a paladin army has Draigo who is cheap at 275 points - eternal warrior and a storm shield combined with T5 making him tougher than a 5 man terminator squad all by himself (but of course with less killing power).

It's not just the fact that paladins are better than terminators durability-wise though, they have more firepower too, double the number of psycannon. This makes a big difference too.




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If I tried an all foot list with terminators, I might do:

Draigo - 275

Librarian (Might of Titan, Sanctuary, The Shrouding, Warp Rift): warding stave, digital weapons - 210

10 Terminators: 2 psycannon, 2 hammers, 8 halberds, psybolts - 470

10 Terminators: 2 psycannon, 2 hammers, 8 halberds, psybolts - 470

10 Terminators: 2 incinerators, 2 hammers, 8 halberds, psybolts - 430

Vindicare Assassin - 145

2000

The idea being that 30 terminators deployed in three groups of ten, 6 in the front rank, 4 in the rear, every model about 2" from the next and with an extra couple of inches between units, will have a front of nearly 5'. I'd just walk them up the table and see what happened in annighilation. In seize ground missions, I'd combat squad and put 2 psycannon in half the combat squads. Anti-vehicle is the main drawback - the assassin is reliable and 3x2 psycannon isn't too bad but a guard army (say) that sits on its tabel edge and pounds you while outflanking air cavalry is going to be a considerable problem (though I think it would be against a foot Draigo list too, I'm no huge fan of foot paladins - though they can do well - i firmly believe they're at their best with stormravens)

yep. cortez and a ton of crusaders and death cult assassins. Also with 3 Vindicare assassins for anti-tank.

You can't have 3 Vindicare I thought.. It says theyre unique.

Thats correct, you are limited to 1 of each type of Assassin.

3 Vindicares would have made the GK codex broken. That plus Purifiers as troops and Psyflemen would make for a nightmare army to face.

Could try getting grand masters to make stuff outflank but thats a bit of a gamble.

Deep strike you say?


HQ
Mordrak w/ 5 Ghost Knights (3 Halberd, 1 Hammer, 1 Banner)-425
Librarian- Sanctuary, Might of Titan, Quicksilver, Teleport Homer- 180

Heavy
Dread w/ Autocannons & Psybolt 135
Dread w/ Autocannons & Psybolt 135

Elite
Paladins x5 (MC Psycannon x2, Halberdsx2, Swordx1, Hammerx1, Banner x1)-350
Paladins x5 (MC Psycannon x2, Halberdsx2, Swordx1, Hammerx1, Banner x1)-350
Vindicare Assassin-145

Troops
Strike Squadx5- Rhino, Psycannon-150
Strike Squadx5- Rhino, Psycannon-150



Strike Squads sit in the back. Vindicare infiltrates and tries to contain the middle of the field. Mordrak drops first turn with the Librarian attached somewhere that they can catch a cover save. The Ghost Knights have Stealth, which is conferred to the squad. Do not drop Mordrak in the middle of your opponent's forces. Keep him far enough away that he doesn't get erased turn 1. This deep strike is just to cover the board in the same way that you would suicide charge a rhino in.

Use Psychic Communion to get your Paladins in, and drop them within 6" of the Librarian for no scatter.

Use the Grand Strategy to make your Dreadnoughts scoring and march them into the midfield as well.

Grey Templar wrote:Thats correct, you are limited to 1 of each type of Assassin.

3 Vindicares would have made the GK codex broken. That plus Purifiers as troops and Psyflemen would make for a nightmare army to face.

just checked the dex and i can't find where it says that. Is it just because each one is considered a character? never played with that many but i could see where GW would want to limit them.

I'm not certain it actually spells it out in the codex but it does say each assassin is a Unique Character. Hence you can't take duplicates.

Check out this one, with no paladins

http://yesthetruthhurts.com/2011/04/foot-grey-knights-another-way/

2X Ordo Malleus Inquisitor with terminator armor, psycannon
3X 5 purifiers with full toys
2 full strike squads with full toys
4X 5 terminators with full toys

Personally, I'd be scared to go up against that list.

Or this one:

http://yesthetruthhurts.com/2011/06/the-other-grey-knights/

All power armor.

All foot? At 2k:

Crowe
4x10 Purifiers w/4 Psycannons and 1 Hammer
10 Purifiers w/4 Psycannons
3 Psyfle Dreads

Your welcome

Sidenote: Steleks all PA army isn't bad. Though there are a few things I would tweak personally it's a solid start as well.

This is the list that I play now. It jhas being doing well even in a meched up environment. Blocks of crusaders and hulking monstrosities are the glue. It allows me to get my dakka into range. What ? No psfledreas. Insanity.

HQ: Crowe 150
HQ: Coteaz 100

EL: Vindicare Assassin 145

TR: 12 Henchmen - 3 Multi-melta Servitors, 1 Stormbolter Acolyte, 2 Plasmagun Acolytes, 6 Crusaders - 155
TR: 11 Henchmen - 3 Meltagun Acolytes, 2 Warrior Acolyte, 2 Meltabombs, 6 Crusaders - 150
TR: 10 Purifiers: 4 Psycannons, Deamonhammer, Psybolt Ammo - 305
TR: 10 Purifiers: 4 Psycannons. Deamonhammer, Psybolt Ammo - 305
TR: 6 Terminators, 2 Psycannon, 2 Halberds, Deamonhammer, Justicar Thawn - 365

HS: Dreadknight - Heavy Incinerator - 160
HS: Dreadknight - Heavy Incinerator - 160

2000

@Felixcat

I must be missing somthings because that Terminator squad is illegal as written. You can only have a second Psycannon in termi squads if you have 10. Only Pallies can have 2 Psycannons per 5.

I've had a lot of success with the following

HQ
Librarian, 4-5 powers

Elite
Vindicare

Troops
10 strong Strike Squad, 2x psy-cannons, psy-bolts
10 strong Strike Squad, 2x psy-cannons, psy-bolts
10 strong Strike Squad, 2x psy-cannons, psy-bolts
10 strong Strike Squad, 2x psy-cannons, psy-bolts

Fast Attack
10 strong Interceptor Squad, 2x psy-cannons, psy-bolts, mc hammer

Heavy Support
Dreadnaught, tl auto-cannon x2, psy-bolts
Dreadnaught, tl auto-cannon x2, psy-bolts
Dreadnaught, tl auto-cannon x2, psy-bolts


The only thing I really ever feared facing with it was tri-storm raven grey knights (the ravens with the mind strikes just eat the foot list up).

I found it better than the all purifier list because it was more versatile. It plays the reserves game really well, almost everything can deep strike if needed to keep your opponent off balance, and just brings an amazing amount of shooting to the table.

what about a normal henchment list, with some termies as support?

Joe Mama wrote:Has anyone made a decent footlist that isn't all Paladins? Lots of GKSSs could mean lots of firepower.

See, the gkss weapons are pretty short-mid range (24 inches) so you really need those rhinos to get em close enough to open fire.


I guess you maybe could make a gkss footlist, but why go out of your way for a worse list?

This is something different that could be good.

Hq
Ordo malleus inquisitor

Troops
10 Grey Knight Terminators, 2 Psycannons, 7 Halberds, Brotherhood Banner, 2 Daemon Hammers, Psybolt Ammo
10 Grey Knight Terminators, 2 Psycannons, 7 Halberds, Brotherhood Banner, 2 Daemon Hammers, Psybolt Ammo
10 Grey Knight Terminators, 2 Psycannons, 7 Halberds, Brotherhood Banner, 2 Daemon Hammers, Psybolt Ammo
10 Grey Knight Terminators, 2 Psycannons, 7 Halberds, Brotherhood Banner, 2 Daemon Hammers, Psybolt Ammo

2005 Points

Remulus wrote:

Joe Mama wrote:Has anyone made a decent footlist that isn't all Paladins? Lots of GKSSs could mean lots of firepower.

See, the gkss weapons are pretty short-mid range (24 inches) so you really need those rhinos to get em close enough to open fire.


I guess you maybe could make a gkss footlist, but why go out of your way for a worse list?

Why do you assume it is worse? Also, Terminators and Paladins both have the same exact range as the Strike Squads, so I am confused why you are singling GKSSs out in that regard.

I like something like this
2X Ordo Malleus Inquisitor with terminator armor, psycannon, servo skulls, 1 w/psychic mastery 1
4 full strike squads with D hammer, 2 psycannon, psybolt
1 interceptor with D hammer, 2 psycannon, psybolt
2 Dreadknights with H. Incin/teleporter

You have the ability to appear anywhere on the field with up to 8 scoring units. You have maneuverability once you hit the field with the interceptors and the dreadknights. And you have the ability to lay down an A**load of fire from all the s5 stormbolters

I like grandmasters or libby better in a walking list. Grand strategy is outstanding and can make those shunters scoring.. last minute shunt just like those skimmer last minute heroics. Libby for the shroud of course since you are relying on cover.

-1 inquisitor and a couple guys from the interceptor squad and a gm could easily fit in.