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Ok just got back from my friends house after a friendly game I've got a question that he and I couldn't agree upon. If a unit with a attack base of 2 fires a combi-melta (the melta part) is that 1 or 2 melta shots? I read it as just one shot, he says 2. My argument is that it is stated as a one shot weapon in the rules, his is that he has been playing 40k for 15 years and tonight was my second game ever so he knows more. After a few moments talking it over I gave him his way and came up with a idea Ask Dakka! Granted he missed both shots so it didn't hurt me any and I used the same 2 shot rule later to pop his LR... but its the principal of the thing.

Sorry if this was answered somewhere else. Thanks for the help!

He's bullshitting you. A combi-melta may fire once as a meltagun. How many shots does a meltagun fire? One.

Thank you i knew that couldn't be right and his argument was pretty weak. Next time he pulls that ill show him this tread and tell him NO! Dakka Says!

Better yet, show him his codex. And then ask him to show you what the stats for a meltagun are.

If a unit with a attack base of 2 fires a combi-melta (the melta part) is that 1 or 2 melta shots?

I assume you're talking about the number of attacks that the model has in its profile. If so, then he is wrong. The number of attacks in the model's profile is only for close combat.For shooting you use the weapon's profile to determine the number of shots.

Yep check the codex, overulz your friend, oh and the big book. though that might eventually change when 6th comes out.

Also the A characteristic has no bearing on the number of shots a given model has with that gun.
It is used ONLY in the close combat (ASSAULT) phase.

The weapons profile tells you how many shots it fires.

If ever anyones argument in a rules dispute is "I've been playing this game for X years." then the proper response is "So you can show me where it is in the rulebook then, because you must know by now."

That means we've been doing our shooting all wrong also.... the way he has me doing it is for example Pedro with Dorn's Arrow is assault 4 and he has A 3 giving him 12 shots per turn....

Daniel Of All wrote: That means we've been doing our shooting all wrong also.... the way he has me doing it is for example Pedro with Dorn's Arrow is assault 4 and he has A 3 giving him 12 shots per turn....

Yea that is 100% incorrect. The Attacks stat on the Profile of Characteristics is only used in Close Combat.

The weapons profile is used in the shooting phase, and they do not overlap.

So Pedro with Dorn's Arrow is assault 4 that means he gets 4 shots.

A Heavy Bolter, which is Heavy 3 gets three shots.

Pistols get 1 shot.

A regular bolter is Rapid fire (1 or 2 shots depending on the situation.)

A Meltagun or melta part of a Combi Melta is Assault 1

Looks like I'm gonna have to break it to him that hes not all up on the rules like he thinks.... and I'm gonna have to stop taking his word as gold when it comes to the rules, granted I should of known when he told me during my first game that Sniper scouts aren't rending when i rolled five 6s and had to show him in the Rule Book that his Assault Squad was dead turn one

Daniel Of All wrote: That means we've been doing our shooting all wrong also.... the way he has me doing it is for example Pedro with Dorn's Arrow is assault 4 and he has A 3 giving him 12 shots per turn....

That's a rather peculiar mistake from someone who has supposedly been playing for 15 years.

Well hes only been playing 5th ed since I started playing about 3-4 months ago, but I don't know if 4th ed rules were like that.... but judging by every ones reactions it's never been like that

Nope, 4th didn't work that way. Neither did 2nd or 3rd. Can't speak for Rogue Trader, as I didn't play it.

Rogue Trader was basically 2nd edition with a little more customization in equipment. Play was essentially the same.

I love this guy's interpretation of the rules. Makes for killer Special Characters. I'd love to have 3x4 shots with Dorn's Arrow before charging with Pedro!

Wasn't the previous Tyranid codex ranged weapon shots based on the models Attacks characteristic? Could be that's where the misconception came from.

In the previous edition of Nids, almost every weapon had a number of shots equal to X, or 2X, where X was equal to the number of attacks in the models profile. As it is only Spinefists still work that way.

Spetulhu wrote:Wasn't the previous Tyranid codex ranged weapon shots based on the models Attacks characteristic? Could be that's where the misconception came from.

Some still are - Spinefists are Assault X where X is the number of attacks the models have.

Yeah he might of got it from that but as far as i know hes only ever played Orks, SM, BA and CSM. But I sat down with him and explained all of this to him and how now his BA flamers only attack once and his infernus pistols only attack once... he cried a little .....

Man... CC armies wouldn't have a *chance*... even a nid army can put enough shots out there (using those rules) to melt a horde away

Wow.....thats a special kind of idiocy......

I realise that its already been said but I would love to see special characters shooting with your 'interpretation' of the rules. Hmmmm... Grand Master in termy armour and assault cannon

The Acolyte wrote:I realise that its already been said but I would love to see special characters shooting with your 'interpretation' of the rules. Hmmmm... Grand Master in termy armour and assault cannon

C'tan. Pyreshards. 32 shots. At BS5. Would almost make him worth taking.

Tyrannofex. Fleshboror Hive. Str 4, AP 5, Assault 20. 3 Attacks.

I would play by those rules, just to take the above unit and nothing else, bar a Zoanthrope or 2 for the tanks.

I think maybe both sitting down and actually reading your rulebooks would be the best plan.

Yep sat down and read the rule book and relized my friend can't take his Termies and Death Company with chap in the same LRC also, There goes his Deathstar that won the game for him everytime we've played. I might have a chance against his BA now