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My understanding of the game and tactics are coming along I'm happy to say but I'm still losing terribly. No matter though as I'm having a blast with my new hobby/obsession. On my third army and getting brutalized in friendly games at the FLGS. What I have below is a finesse based, Crisis heavy Tau army that I've trimmed the fat from. Curious about your takes on my 9-9-9 plan...

Total = 999

HQ:
Commander Shas'El: DC, CIB, TLMP (113)
-Shield Drone x2

TROOPS:
Fire Warriors x6: (150)
- Devilfish: DP, MT
Fire Warriors x6: (150)
- Devilfish: DP, MT

ELITE:
Deathrain x2: TLMP, BSF (92)
-Team Leader: TLMP DC (73)
- Shield Drone x1
- Gun Drone x1

Fireknife x2: FB, PR, MT (124)
- Team Leader FB, PR, MT, DC (97)
- Shield Drone x1
- Gun Drone x1

HEAVY:
Broadside: MT, TA (85)
- Team Leader: MT, TA, DC (120)
- Shield Drone x2


Thanks for your C&C if you have any or no comment if you think this is the best friggin, most dominating Tau list in history. Thinking about exchanging only the CIB for a ABFP when facing a horde and exchanging a SD for GD to keep the points in balance. Just FYI.

doktor_g wrote:Commander Shas'El: DC, CIB, TLMP (113)
-Shield Drone x2

Why doesn't he have a hwMT to shoot both guns? Add Target Array, drop one MP and have BS5 to shoot an MP and the CiB. Better than BS4 Twin-Linked, with one gun.

doktor_g wrote:Fire Warriors x6: (150)
- Devilfish: DP, MT

An MT on a dumbfish is a waste just to have the GDs shoot at Combat Speed, too.

doktor_g wrote:Fireknife x2: FB, PR, MT (124)
- Team Leader FB, PR, MT, DC (97)

Minor point: FB/PR is a Helios. FireKnife is PR/MP.

doktor_g wrote:- Team Leader: MT, TA, DC (120)
- Shield Drone x2

Add a BK as its cost is worth rally a b-side should it run after losing the drones.

doktor_g wrote:Thanks for your C&C if you have any or no comment if you think this is the best friggin, most dominating Tau list in history.

There's sarcasm there, right?

doktor_g wrote: Thinking about exchanging only the CIB for a ABFP when facing a horde and exchanging a SD for GD to keep the points in balance. Just FYI.

BC/MP FireStorm is better for hordes.

I'd split the Deathrains into two single units. Splitting your fire power, good. Making the enemy split his to kill you, good for you again, bad for him.

Overall? Okay.

@Brothererekose: Ok. Here's the rework. I kept the MTs on the Fish because coming from an Ork background I've found that the volume of shots often outweighs other goodies. All I would do with the spare 10 pts would be to monkey with the drone situation among the suits. Thanks for pointing out the BK thing. I knew I was forgetting something. So I added BK to the XV88s, the unit of 2 Deathrains, and the 3 Helios. Points were scrounged by converting Shield Drones to Gun Drones. Thanks for the feedback. Hopefully it will save me from another complete humiliation at the shop.

Total:998

HQ:
Commander Shas'El: DC, CIB, MP, TA, MT (107)
-Shield Drone x1

TROOPS:
Fire Warriors x6: (150)
- Devilfish: DP, MT
Fire Warriors x6: (150)
- Devilfish: DP, MT

ELITE:
Deathrain x1: TLMP, BSF (46)
-Team Leader: TLMP, DC, BK (73)
- Gun Drone x2

Deathrain x1: TLMP, BSF (46)

Helios x2: FB, PR, MT (124)
- Team Leader FB, PR, MT, DC, BK (102)
- Gun Drone x2

HEAVY:
Broadside: MT, TA (85)
- Team Leader: MT, TA, BK, DC (120)
- Shield Drone x1
- Gun Drone x1

doktor_g wrote:Deathrain x1: TLMP, BSF

Instead of the BSF, a few points gets you a flamer.

Overall a much tighter list. Hmm. Is there LoS-blocking terrain where you play, or just GW ruins and Area Terrain? It has to do with your drones.

A thought on the Shas'el's multitracker. While the ability to fire both weapons at the same time is nice, in all honesty, are you going to engage the same targets with St 3 and St 7 weapons?

If yes, keep the Multi-tracker, if no, use the points elsewhere.

Also, in regards to your Broadsides, the regular Broadside only gets 1 support system slot, not two, so you can have the MT or the TA.

Jefffar wrote:Also, in regards to your Broadsides, the regular Broadside only gets 1 support system slot, not two, so you can have the MT or the TA.

A Team Leader can have the TA and then a 'hard-wired' MT from the wargear section, which doesn't count toward the 3 gun/support systems.

From the layout I didn't realize that it was the Team Lead.

@ Jefffar. You're right. My mistake. I'll lose the Targeting Array, so thats 10 points you just gave me. Unless you guys think I should nix the MT?

@ Brothererekose. Unfortunately the vast majority is area and GW ruins. I enforce strict line-of-sight on my own shooting but I'm 100% permissive if someone is shooting at me and thinks they can see. The game flows better. Any obscuring terrain is generally a bastion or a tall fortress wall some of which is over 6".

You may want to take your first squad of FW and make it larger (10-12) and swap the second one for kroot. Kroot can go to ground on an objective and get 2+ cover save, and you can get a full 20 for less than your unit of FW with D-fish.

Adding on to what I just said, you may want to use a less-than-max unit of kroot and upgrade your D-fish with an SMS, it makes it able to actually cause some damage.

Where oh where to put the extra 10 points???

Total:988

HQ:
Commander Shas'El: DC, CIB, MP, TA, MT (107)
-Shield Drone x1

TROOPS:
Fire Warriors x6: (150)
- Devilfish: DP, MT
Fire Warriors x6: (150)
- Devilfish: DP, MT

ELITE:
Deathrain x1: TLMP, BSF (46)
-Team Leader: TLMP, DC, BK (73)
- Gun Drone x2

Deathrain x1: TLMP, BSF (46)

Helios x2: FB, PR, MT (124)
- Team Leader FB, PR, MT, DC, BK (102)
- Gun Drone x2

HEAVY:
Broadside: MT, (75)
- Team Leader: MT, TA, BK, DC (120)
- Shield Drone x1
- Gun Drone x1



Automatically Appended Next Post:
@im2randomghgh: I had SMSs on the fish. They were ok, but I want to experiment to see if they were worth their points by going with the stock fish (GD). One Heavy4 shot versus 2 twin linked shots with pinning tests, can disembark, assault, and depart an imobilized vehicle (I think). Seems worth a shot, but I've played all of two games as the Tau guy so far. Regarding the Kroot... I'm so sick of painting... soo soo sooooo sick. Stepson's 1750 necrons, 3000 orks, 2000 salamanders. I have no Kroot.... don't make me buy more minis... don't do it... if you have any kindness in your heart please please please....

doktor_g wrote:Where oh where to put the extra 10 points???

Total:988

HQ:
Commander Shas'El: DC, CIB, MP, TA, MT (107)
-Shield Drone x1

TROOPS:
Fire Warriors x6: (150)
- Devilfish: DP, MT
Fire Warriors x6: (150)
- Devilfish: DP, MT

ELITE:
Deathrain x1: TLMP, BSF (46)
-Team Leader: TLMP, DC, BK (73)
- Gun Drone x2

Deathrain x1: TLMP, BSF (46)

Helios x2: FB, PR, MT (124)
- Team Leader FB, PR, MT, DC, BK (102)
- Gun Drone x2

HEAVY:
Broadside: MT, (75)
- Team Leader: MT, TA, BK, DC (120)
- Shield Drone x1
- Gun Drone x1



Automatically Appended Next Post:
@im2randomghgh: I had SMSs on the fish. They were ok, but I want to experiment to see if they were worth their points by going with the stock fish (GD). One Heavy4 shot versus 2 twin linked shots with pinning tests, can disembark, assault, and depart an imobilized vehicle (I think). Seems worth a shot, but I've played all of two games as the Tau guy so far. Regarding the Kroot... I'm so sick of painting... soo soo sooooo sick. Stepson's 1750 necrons, 3000 orks, 2000 salamanders. I have no Kroot.... don't make me buy more minis... don't do it... if you have any kindness in your heart please please please....

Funny reason not to use kroot

I actually made a speed painting tutorial for the at one point, I'll post a link just in case you change your mind.
Because 2+ cover saves are hard to come across.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/362019.page

doktor_g wrote:@ Jefffar. You're right. My mistake. I'll lose the Targeting Array, so thats 10 points you just gave me. Unless you guys think I should nix the MT?

No, no, keep both, for BS5, hitting on '1's and the MT for both guns. It's *standard* to load the suit out that way.

doktor_g wrote:@ Brothererekose. Unfortunately the vast majority is area and GW ruins. I enforce strict line-of-sight on my own shooting but I'm 100% permissive if someone is shooting at me and thinks they can see. The game flows better. Any obscuring terrain is generally a bastion or a tall fortress wall some of which is over 6".

A laser pointer quickly solves these issues.

Okay: With the bastions, it is easy to hide your suits, and therefore not needing drones. Drones add to the size of the unit, allowing the enemy an easier time of getting LoS. However, GW ruins often have windows that allow true LoS targeting. Eh. Half a dozen on one hand, 6 on the other.

Looking forward to our next encounter my friend. When you're building a list, try to keep in mind what worked well for you, what didn't & then answer why to each of those.

Oh & you are not a terrible player, just inexperienced. Trust me, you play some guy who just started last week you'll probably curb stomp him because you're more experienced than him. I can't speak for any of your previous opponents but keep in mind that I've played this game since early 2nd Ed when the only codex at the time was space wolves so don't feel too bad. Hell, Jeff beat me on saturday. He held one objective & we were each contesting one by the end. I did go loaded for bug swarms & instead he brought a nidzilla list lol.

BTW, if you ever need anything painted I'd be happy to help, I'd trade painting for bits frequently

Yaaaargh....
Ok this is yet another rework. My last lists were done at work and I'm pretty sure this one is legal. Feel free to rip it apart, if you can. This is the best all comers list the Tau have ever fielded. It is completely fool proof and tactically sound so that even a noob like me can dominate every tournement regardless of dice rolling... in fact they should go ahead and give me the trophy.


TROOPS (145 pts)
6 Fire Warrior(Pulse Rifle x5; Pulse Carbine x1)
1 Devilfish (Burst Cannon; Landing Gear; Disruption Pod)
2 Gun Drones (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines)

TROOPS (145 pts)
6 Fire Warrior(Pulse Rifle x5; Pulse Carbine x1)
1 Devilfish (Burst Cannon; Landing Gear; Disruption Pod)
2 Gun Drones (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines)

HQ: (102 pts)
1 Commander Shas'el (Cyclic Ion Blaster; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Hard-wired Multi-tracker; Missile Pod; Targeting Array; Acute Senses; Deep Strike; Independent Character; Relentless)
1 Gun Drone (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines; Relentless)

HEAVY: (195 pts)
1 Broadside Battlesuit (Acute Senses; Twin Linked Railgun; Unit Type: Infantry; Smart Missile System; Bonding Knife; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Hard-wired Multi-tracker; Targeting Array; Team Leader)
1 Broadside Battlesuit (Twin Linked Railgun; Unit Type: Infantry; Smart Missile System; Targeting Array)
1 Gun Drone (Unit Type: Infantry; Twin Linked Pulse Carbines)
1 Gun Drone (Unit Type: Infantry; Twin Linked Pulse Carbines)

ELITE: (124 pts)
1 Deathrain (Flamer; Bonding Knife; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Twin Linked Missile Pod; Acute Senses; Deep Strike; Relentless; Team Leader)
- 1 Gun Drone (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines; Relentless)
- 1 Gun Drone (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines; Relentless)
1 Deathrain (Flamer; Twin Linked Missile Pod)

ELITE: (47 pts)
1 Deathrain (Flamer; Twin Linked Missile Pod; Acute Senses; Deep Strike; Relentless)

ELITE: (241 pts)
1 Helios (Bonding Knife; Fusion Blaster; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Hard-wired Multi-tracker; Hard-wired Target Lock; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array; Acute Senses; Deep Strike; Relentless; Team Leader)
1 Gun Drone (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines; Relentless)
1 Gun Drone (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines; Relentless)
1 Helios (Fusion Blaster; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array)
1 Helios (Fusion Blaster; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array)



@ redstarrise... it was your incredible luck!!! just kidding. lots of poor tactical decisions on my part and I was trying to punch above my weight points wise. At best, with my models 12 suits, 12 FW, 2 fish, 2 broadsides... That's a 1250-1500 max... 1750 was too much of a stretch. I thought the Helios load out kicked some butt, and you'll note the absence of markerlights. I would like to have more multi trackers though. That's kind of a bummer.

doktor_g wrote:Yaaaargh....
Ok this is yet another rework. My last lists were done at work and I'm pretty sure this one is legal. Feel free to rip it apart, if you can. This is the best all comers list the Tau have ever fielded. It is completely fool proof and tactically sound so that even a noob like me can dominate every tournement regardless of dice rolling... in fact they should go ahead and give me the trophy.


TROOPS (145 pts)
6 Fire Warrior(Pulse Rifle x5; Pulse Carbine x1)
1 Devilfish (Burst Cannon; Landing Gear; Disruption Pod)
2 Gun Drones (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines)

TROOPS (145 pts)
6 Fire Warrior(Pulse Rifle x5; Pulse Carbine x1)
1 Devilfish (Burst Cannon; Landing Gear; Disruption Pod)
2 Gun Drones (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines)

HQ: (102 pts)
1 Commander Shas'el (Cyclic Ion Blaster; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Hard-wired Multi-tracker; Missile Pod; Targeting Array; Acute Senses; Deep Strike; Independent Character; Relentless)
1 Gun Drone (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines; Relentless)

HEAVY: (195 pts)
1 Broadside Battlesuit (Acute Senses; Twin Linked Railgun; Unit Type: Infantry; Smart Missile System; Bonding Knife; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Hard-wired Multi-tracker; Targeting Array; Team Leader)
1 Broadside Battlesuit (Twin Linked Railgun; Unit Type: Infantry; Smart Missile System; Targeting Array)
1 Gun Drone (Unit Type: Infantry; Twin Linked Pulse Carbines)
1 Gun Drone (Unit Type: Infantry; Twin Linked Pulse Carbines)

ELITE: (124 pts)
1 Deathrain (Flamer; Bonding Knife; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Twin Linked Missile Pod; Acute Senses; Deep Strike; Relentless; Team Leader)
- 1 Gun Drone (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines; Relentless)
- 1 Gun Drone (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines; Relentless)
1 Deathrain (Flamer; Twin Linked Missile Pod)

ELITE: (47 pts)
1 Deathrain (Flamer; Twin Linked Missile Pod; Acute Senses; Deep Strike; Relentless)

ELITE: (241 pts)
1 Helios (Bonding Knife; Fusion Blaster; Hard-wired Drone Controller; Hard-wired Multi-tracker; Hard-wired Target Lock; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array; Acute Senses; Deep Strike; Relentless; Team Leader)
1 Gun Drone (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines; Relentless)
1 Gun Drone (Twin Linked Pulse Carbines; Relentless)
1 Helios (Fusion Blaster; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array)
1 Helios (Fusion Blaster; Plasma Rifle; Targeting Array)



@ redstarrise... it was your incredible luck!!! just kidding. lots of poor tactical decisions on my part and I was trying to punch above my weight points wise. At best, with my models 12 suits, 12 FW, 2 fish, 2 broadsides... That's a 1250-1500 max... 1750 was too much of a stretch. I thought the Helios load out kicked some butt, and you'll note the absence of markerlights. I would like to have more multi trackers though. That's kind of a bummer.

It's a lot better than it was, so good job there though you still desperately need more broadsides.

They are the single best unit in the codex. XV8s are very, very popular, but broadsides trump them every time.

im2randomghgh wrote:
It's a lot better than it was, so good job there though you still desperately need more broadsides.

They are the single best unit in the codex. XV8s are very, very popular, but broadsides trump them every time.

I'd agree, they're far more feared by me than XV8s. I'd also think a hammerhead or two wouldn't be so bad as it can make the life of most of the armour I can field a living hell as well as letting you toss down pie plates.

+++EDIT+++
I just wanted to add that they're alot harder for me to insta-gib than broadsides as well. Admittedly, a good krak missile, d-cannon or lascannon can easily wreck a hammerhead, keep in mind that it requires me to: A. hit, B. pen, C. you fail your (usual) cover save & D. me roll well on the table whereas against a broadside the same weapons I need to: A. hit, B. wound (which using insta-gib weapons it's usually pretty easy to do), C. you fail a cover save. That's 3 steps to wipe at least one broadside whereas against a hammerhead it's 4 steps to destroy it but I've got a better chance to just damage it.

Red_Starrise wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
It's a lot better than it was, so good job there though you still desperately need more broadsides.

They are the single best unit in the codex. XV8s are very, very popular, but broadsides trump them every time.

I'd agree, they're far more feared by me than XV8s. I'd also think a hammerhead or two wouldn't be so bad as it can make the life of most of the armour I can field a living hell as well as letting you toss down pie plates.

+++EDIT+++
I just wanted to add that they're alot harder for me to insta-gib than broadsides as well. Admittedly, a good krak missile, d-cannon or lascannon can easily wreck a hammerhead, keep in mind that it requires me to: A. hit, B. pen, C. you fail your (usual) cover save & D. me roll well on the table whereas against a broadside the same weapons I need to: A. hit, B. wound (which using insta-gib weapons it's usually pretty easy to do), C. you fail a cover save. That's 3 steps to wipe at least one broadside whereas against a hammerhead it's 4 steps to destroy it but I've got a better chance to just damage it.

Well said Generally at this point value my HS slot looks like

HS:

2x XV88-A.S.S.
2x XV88-A.S.S.
1x Railhead w/ BC, MT, DP, DL, FL

Admittedly there are quite a few upgrades on the railhead, but this is what I find has the best results.

Hi,
As a Tau player that only owns one broadside (I know, it's heresy), I have grown to love my railheads.
I usually run 2 of them with Railgun, burst cannon, target lock, multi tracker, and disruption pod. It is still problem if you roll a 1 or 2 to hit, but I find that the mobility and AV 13 with a cover save is almost always worth it. Plus, you get an extra six cheap shots at 0-6" movement at a different target.
I would also suggest using shield drones. I find the problem with drones in suit squads (especially broadsides), is that losing one can cause your 200pt squad to leg it off the board. If people are going to be firing lascannons at you anyway, it's a bit better to have a chance of stopping them rather than stalling/running.

The wonders of supply and demand ahve deprived me of the chance to field a broadside yet, but the Railheads do very well for me. The Ion Heads are surprisingly effective against lower AV vehicles.

Jefffar wrote:The wonders of supply and demand ahve deprived me of the chance to field a broadside yet, but the Railheads do very well for me. The Ion Heads are surprisingly effective against lower AV vehicles.

Don't ever take ionheads. Ever. EverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEverEver.

Don't do it.

The ion cannon is more likely to score a damage result on AV 10, AV 11 and AV 12 than the rail gun and better at taking out heavy infantry units than the template.

Not as useful against hordes or AV 13 plus as the railgun, but then again, the Railhead isn't our best anti-heavy armour weapon (Broadsides) or anti-horde weapon (massed St 5 AP 5 shooting).

The few times I've used an Ionhead they've done well, though they were working along side Railheads. Once I have some Broadsides I suspect I'll run 1 - 2 broadsides, 0-1 railheads and 1 Ionhead.

Then again, I don't exactly face much AV 13 - 14

Jefffar wrote:The ion cannon is more likely to score a damage result on AV 10, AV 11 and AV 12 than the rail gun and better at taking out heavy infantry units than the template.

Not as useful against hordes or AV 13 plus as the railgun, but then again, the Railhead isn't our best anti-heavy armour weapon (Broadsides) or anti-horde weapon (massed St 5 AP 5 shooting).

The few times I've used an Ionhead they've done well, though they were working along side Railheads. Once I have some Broadsides I suspect I'll run 1 - 2 broadsides, 0-1 railheads and 1 Ionhead.

Then again, I don't exactly face much AV 13 - 14

Ion heads are simply a waste of a HS slot that could be used better. The tau have fantastic HS, it is not to be wasted so frivolously.

And the Ion head ISN'T more likely to take out AV 10, 11, 12 that 6 railguns per HS slot. And it ISN'T more likely to take out heacy infantry than XV88s armed with TL Plasma and a multi tracker.

Please read my earlier posts.

I don't have Broadsides available to me at the moment (none fo the stores around here can seem to get them in stock). My choices are between railheads and ionheads.

In that context the ionhead has proven some significant advantages.

Jefffar wrote:Please read my earlier posts.

I don't have Broadsides available to me at the moment (none fo the stores around here can seem to get them in stock). My choices are between railheads and ionheads.

In that context the ionhead has proven some significant advantages.

Than get broadsides!

Don't ask for list advice if you already have the exact models for one list and are unwilling to buy others.

I believe there is no shipping charge if you have your online GW order sent to the store, so they needn't be in stock for you to get them.

Ahh I might as well comment

First up, I dominate my gaming group with my Tau and I only usually field one broadside, if any ^^ if he can't get broadsides then he can't get broadsides, cut the guy some slack. Its not like he's committing a criminal act by not getting some in a hyper-competitive environment sure they're pretty much mandatory... but given that you told someone to take a bigger FW squad I'm just going to assume you aren't trying for peak competitiveness.

Ion Cannons -do- have a use, but its a very niche use... and one filled in other areas of the Tau army. They make a mockery of monstrous creatures (in my experience), and they do make those light vehicles pop so nicely... and I don't really see anyone taking 6 broadsides at 1k and making it work... not a great example, really. However, I would still agree with you that Broadsides serve these purposes better... if you have them. Missile Pods can pop light vehicles wonderfully as well, it's what they're for ^^

If not, however, my preference goes to the Railhead. That pie plate is not to be underestimated, and it generally performs better than an ion cannon against most targets, as well as having the solid shot for emergency uses ^^ an ion may seem to be giving you an advantage... but really, it doesn't compare once you get the hang of things. Trust me, I used to live by the Ion Cannon as well until my mind finally got into the latest edition


On-topic:
This latest list looks pretty much spot on to me ^^

Beregond wrote:Ahh if he can't get broadsides then he can't get broadsides, cut the guy some slack. Its not like he's committing a criminal act by not getting some in a hyper-competitive environment sure they're pretty much mandatory...

Well there is really only one reason NOT to get a model that is good in the game: price.

So, the logical thing to do, is to wait until enough disposable income is availiable. Waiting isn't such an awful thing, the time between buying my first model and playing my first game was almost 2 years (!!!)

And with the imminent tau codex we can all feel coming...

So now you're assuming both he and I are poor because we don't have broadsides...? Wtf? That is basically what your post is saying... and it's exactly because of that weird attitude that I am arguing with you


As I said... if he doesn't want to get broadsides and hasn't yet for whatever reason it's not like he's committing some great sin, y'know? It is only a game... if people don't want to use a certain unit, whatever their reason, then they don't have to ^^ if people don't want to specifically order a unit they don't have to... if he wants to wait for them to be available to buy in person at whatever store he uses then so be it, there's no need to take a frankly condescending attitude towards him based on that, hmm?

Beregond wrote:
First up, I dominate my gaming group with my Tau and I only usually field one broadside

I salute you sir.

Beregond wrote:
As I said... if he doesn't want to get broadsides and hasn't yet for whatever reason it's not like he's committing some great sin, y'know? It is only a game... if people don't want to use a certain unit, whatever their reason, then they don't have to ^^ if people don't want to specifically order a unit they don't have to... if he wants to wait for them to be available to buy in person at whatever store he uses then so be it, there's no need to take a frankly condescending attitude towards him based on that, hmm? /quote]
I totally agree.

Also, I ran an incredibly successful list for a while that didn't include any broadsides... in fact, I've never lost with that list yet.


@im2random

I think you need to redo your perspective about broadsides... yes, the broadside one of the best things about tau (right next to the crisis suit) but they are not chuck norris in fish form, as you seem to think they are.

If you must know, the store I regularly purchase from has approximately 25% off the GW list price for everything and when you make a bulk order they waive shipping and handling fees.

I have ordered broadsides through the store many times but each time I have ordered them, the store has been out of Broadsides and any attempts to get fresh stock have been delayed to the point that rather than wait an extra month for my order to be delivered I, at the store's suggestion, have removed the Broadsides from the order and proceeded in purchasing the rest of the items I requested.

Now I only started this hobby about a year ago and have only had 3 large orders placed, so I haven't had much time to get these models. I hope the next time I place an order I will get them (or their post new codex equivalent).

Jefffar wrote:If you must know, the store I regularly purchase from has approximately 25% off the GW list price for everything and when you make a bulk order they waive shipping and handling fees.

I have ordered broadsides through the store many times but each time I have ordered them, the store has been out of Broadsides and any attempts to get fresh stock have been delayed to the point that rather than wait an extra month for my order to be delivered I, at the store's suggestion, have removed the Broadsides from the order and proceeded in purchasing the rest of the items I requested.

Now I only started this hobby about a year ago and have only had 3 large orders placed, so I haven't had much time to get these models. I hope the next time I place an order I will get them (or their post new codex equivalent).

There we go!



In the mean time, a unit I suggest highly is TX42s, crisis suit with an av, more or less. Crisis suits that only one or two weapons in a marine squad can damage.