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Don't know for you but I would kinda like it if the Daemons of Chaos get the chance of having a more futuristic design and feel. I know we already have the soulgrinder and the daemon prince, but the rest just doesn't give me the 40k feeling. Since Daemons are supposed to know secrets unknown to man (as stated in the CSM codex), shouldn't they have some awesome and alien evil technology akind to the one the demons have in the Doom video game franchise? I would totally give my soul to Chaos if it meant we could get evil Cyborg-Daemons, like Bloodletter with guns and swords litterally attached to their flesh, or a Bloodthirster with a reaping auto-cannon attached to one arm.

Im thinking no on the technology, but yes on the daemon update. They feel a bit out of place to me as well; in dire need of new posing and for some new models.
As for technology, i feel like it wouldnt fit the warp feel. Plus, it means GW needs to print two different types of daemons for fantasy and 40K

Jollydevil wrote:Im thinking no on the technology, but yes on the daemon update. They feel a bit out of place to me as well; in dire need of new posing and for some new models.
As for technology, i feel like it wouldnt fit the warp feel. Plus, it means GW needs to print two different types of daemons for fantasy and 40K

Some 'steampunk' style daemon engines wouldn't be out of the question and would still look the part in fantasy.

40k Daemons need an actual army, not a bunch of guys pretending to play fantasy with only 4 shooting options in a setting filled with doomdsday cannons.

Agreed. Some cyber-daemons for khorne, and maybe near-haemonculi monstrosities lined with needles and sclapels for Nurgle would be fun and still fluffy.

I dont know what about engines, maybe machine spirit tainted by chaos ? dont know if thats possible

I always thought of chaos deamons as doom like anyway, i think it would be cool with they got all chaos cyborg style:

http://media.moddb.com/images/games/1/1/33/doom3b.jpg

I think more daemon engines like the Soulgrinder would be cool, but I don't think daemons as a whole should get a more futuristic look. I don't think a manifestation of pure hatred and emotion would bother wearing a cyborg monocle.

Daemons themselves are meant to be timeless things, they really shouldn't look futuristic or have laser guns or whatever. Daemon Engines on the other hand are a different matter, and GW needs more of them. Right now there's only the Defiler and Soul Grinder, though FW has some more available.

One look of the Slaanesh fiends made me drop the idea of having a secondary army made of daemons...
I mean looking evil, hideous and murderous is fine, but those models are just so wrong on many levels...

Daemons deployment method is worse than their looks.. here you put all your army here and you daemon player pray to whatever you find holy the dice like you today and dont plop you in the way of the leman russes again.

Khornate25 wrote: I would totally give my soul to Chaos if it meant we could get evil Cyborg-Daemons, like Bloodletter with guns and swords litterally attached to their flesh, or a Bloodthirster with a reaping auto-cannon attached to one arm.

Arent they called 'oblirators' and are CSM's?

thenoobbomb wrote:

Khornate25 wrote: I would totally give my soul to Chaos if it meant we could get evil Cyborg-Daemons, like Bloodletter with guns and swords litterally attached to their flesh, or a Bloodthirster with a reaping auto-cannon attached to one arm.

Arent they called 'oblirators' and are CSM's?

Obliterators are nowhere near as tough as a Bloodthirster, and are more in line with Terminators. They're also infected with some kind of virus that does a lot of the work. It's comparing apples and hand grenades.

Brother SRM wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:

Khornate25 wrote: I would totally give my soul to Chaos if it meant we could get evil Cyborg-Daemons, like Bloodletter with guns and swords litterally attached to their flesh, or a Bloodthirster with a reaping auto-cannon attached to one arm.

Arent they called 'oblirators' and are CSM's?

Obliterators are nowhere near as tough as a Bloodthirster, and are more in line with Terminators. They're also infected with some kind of virus that does a lot of the work. It's comparing apples and hand grenades.

Explosive apples, in fairness to them.

I wish oblits had better saves or more wounds..

Sure the army could use some new models but I dont think cyborg-daemon things is the way to go, I dont really think daemons need technology or lasers etc, they have warp power.

Chaotic cyborg stuff can go hangout with CSM.

A few more soul-grinder like thing, (Daemon war engine) would be nice, but giving a Bloodthirster a multi-laser would be the wrong direction............

I think 40k Daemons should have more Daemons possessing things from the 40k universe. You have more vehicles that are possessed by Daemons in an all Daemon army. I don't see why this can't be taken to a more extreme extent than it already has. The Daemons look too fantasy at the moment and don't incorporate enough of the grimdark from 40k. Daemons really do feel like a fantasy army on a 40k board.

I would sincerly hope for a new Daemon army for 40k. I would be acctualy intrested in starting said army, if they got the rigth moddels( More Soul grinders and so on) I would also really fancy a new look on the "rank and file" daemons. PLUSS more warp feel

You'd think that daemons, being the ultimate dealers of death and havoc, would have worked out that guns are good for killing by now.

Harriticus wrote:Daemons themselves are meant to be timeless things, they really shouldn't look futuristic or have laser guns or whatever. Daemon Engines on the other hand are a different matter, and GW needs more of them. Right now there's only the Defiler and Soul Grinder, though FW has some more available.

Well if I understood well the concept of the warp in the Daemons codex, since they is nether time nor space in the warp, why would the majority of the Daemons be stuck with primitive weapons? Shouldn't they be at least able to have primitive and advance weapons?

TrollPie wrote:You'd think that daemons, being the ultimate dealers of death and havoc, would have worked out that guns are good for killing by now.

True lol. Plus, Tzeentch is supposed to be the master of secrets, magic and the future. Shouldn't he like ultra-advanced thechnological-magical like the Eldars? For creature that are supposed to be a massive threat and that consider themselves as superirors being, and also the fact they are made from the psychic energies of the mind of the materium races, they sure seems ill-equipped.

Daemons don't care thats why. It's stated over and over again how they love to feel the rending of flesh and such. Even the smartedt and most "civilized" of Tzeentch love a good ol fashion rending with their tentacles, claws or what have you. Only reason even soulgrinders were added is for the tabletop. If they based the dp etc off the fluff youd need an entire army to just stop one dp.

Draigo wrote:Daemons deployment method is worse than their looks.. here you put all your army here and you daemon player pray to whatever you find holy the dice like you today and dont plop you in the way of the leman russes again.

...And you pray the other guy isn't a huge dick who will quake-shunt the entire table because you lost one dice roll.

Actually, parking lot is a terribad tactic against us, because we DO want to drop in your face with alot of our units! (Anyone who uses Breath, 'crushers, 'letters, certain heralds, 'nettes, princes...)
Right in front of the russline is the best place! 'Whats that? you can't template me because you'll hit yourself? I'm so sorry... Oh, and you're also boxed in too! Now just let me roll those 30+ auto-hitting rending attacks!!! '

Any mech-build is a pain because the only anti-tank we have is hitting stuff, S8 bolts or the 'grinders tounge shot. (basically a lascannon) Oh, and only heralds & princes have better BS - everything else is BS3.
Grey Knights are just GW's idea of a crappy April Fool's joke... (at least, we hope it is?!?)



We need more of those daemon engines like the ones that were shown in the artwork in 5th ed fantasy! (giant, iron-wheeled monstrosities with cannons & gattling cannons poking out everywhere!)

Each of the major gods could also use a new daemonic unit, (like perhaps pleasureseekers of slaanesh & disc riders for tzeentch?!)

We would also like our old Exalted Daemons back please... a) so that in fantays we can have a Lord option for under 350+ pts! and in 40k so we can have an HQ on the level of a space marine captain who's still an IC!

Heralds buffing their unit in 40k like they do in fantasy wouldn't be amiss either. (ie: herald of slaanesh gives offensive grenades + a banshee mask type ability to a unit of daemonettes)

Oh and lastly, a proper gakking deployment!!! (you know, like being able to put models on the table during deployment, so WAAC's lamebrains can't auto-win by quaking the whole table.)

I play both daemons and gk.. never had a guy use quake. Only way you see any competitive person using those is if theyre tailoring against you. Otherwise you see hammerhand, shroud, quicksilver and santuary. Plus I said in the way not close enough to ruin their shot. Can't tell you how many time Ive scatter away from the person and out of cover.. Pisses me off. Im bout to give them a go again tomorrow and see if they ever see the light of day again or just used for fantasy. Plus wouldnt need engines if the daemons were as good as they are written. Ill see your army and raise you a dp that annihilates worlds. thank you come again

Draigo wrote:I play both daemons and gk.. never had a guy use quake. Only way you see any competitive person using those is if theyre tailoring against you. Otherwise you see hammerhand, shroud, quicksilver and santuary. Plus I said in the way not close enough to ruin their shot. Can't tell you how many time Ive scatter away from the person and out of cover.. Pisses me off. Im bout to give them a go again tomorrow and see if they ever see the light of day again or just used for fantasy. Plus wouldnt need engines if the daemons were as good as they are written. Ill see your army and raise you a dp that annihilates worlds. thank you come again

Been on the recieving end of quake-shunting too many times to not hate that power!

I guess I'm lucky with my deep striking, because against things like parking lot IG, I always go strait for the throat! teach them silly mortals to try something other than a boring 'leafblower' list... I find that the more agressive I am with placement, the kinder the scatter dice is to me.
Of corse, a mono-Tzeentch army with 81 models helps to keep my god happy!



The current statlines aren't too bad, I mean, 'letters are WS5, while 'nettes are I6... But I'd love to see things like;
- Bloodletters get S5 standard, 5+ save, lose furious charge, but heralds give their unit 'prefered enemy: everything!'
- Horrors get BS4 standard, a weaker shooting attack, but can upgrade more models to various buffed shooting skills.

Our daemon princes just need to have cheaper upgrades and more options... Mind you, I wouldn't say 'no' to a statline more in-line with the summoned greater daemon in the current CSM codex either!

Oh, and furies that don't suck... (even zombies aren't as bad as our furies!)

I think giving the daemons guns and going "there fixed" isnt really going to make them more 40k.

Why use guns if you can throw bolts of fire that melt tanks anyway?

I would like to see some pt costs for the troops based off what your getting rather than based on a fluffy number.

Some more diverse shooting stuff would be good but I just think adding in guns is making them closer to what you find in the CSM book.

I think you could give the weapons a 'Bespoke' fell to make it fit. Think like Skaven guns, but less warp energy and more tormented faces, torn skin and skulls

I for one fully support daemons with cyber-monocles. As long as they get awesome top hats to go with it. When they fail a save the monocle can pop out.

On a serious note, I don't see the chaos gods really caring much for tech on their daemons. Tzeentch can do cooler things with magic, technology mostly doesn't have feelings or emotions so Slaanesh doesn't care, it can't get sick so Nurgle doesn't care, Khorne loves the axe too much to do anything with guns and stuff, and all the chaos gods have evil magic of some variety that does cool stuff anyway.

That said, a cyberdaemon looking army would be cool, and you could even justify it in the fluff just by saying daemons can look like whatever they please.

In the novel Daemon World there actually is a Khornate army that looks like that, with gears and such sticking out or flesh.

Draigo wrote:I wish oblits had better saves or more wounds..

In the GK faq it is stated that Oblits are counted as Daemons vs all anti Daemon stuff that GK have.
I find this BS and since this sadly is the case then why arent Oblits Ethernal Warriors like all other Daemons?

I miss the old Epic daemon engines.

I had a tower of skulls, a Lord of Battle, 3 cauldrons on blood and a daemonically infused partidge in a plague-pear tree

Khorne used to be all about brass-bound iron war machines :(

salix_fatuus wrote:

Draigo wrote:I wish oblits had better saves or more wounds..

In the GK faq it is stated that Oblits are counted as Daemons vs all anti Daemon stuff that GK have.
I find this BS and since this sadly is the case then why arent Oblits Ethernal Warriors like all other Daemons?

Who knows, maybe it's a taste of things to come for the next CSM codex.