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The first time I played was, apparently, 4th edition. My wife (at the time) and I got a boxed set, and she started undead (as it was then ) and I dabbled in Skaven before doing Chaos Dwarfs.

TBH all I can really remember was being a bit aggrieved at having to buy a whole new boxed set so we could use magic It was fun, but as everything I had was metal, we packed it away when she got pregnant..

Has anyone got a favouritye edition of WHFB? Are there any older concepts you want to see in the next edition?

Current one, I dont have to worry about getting railed by cavalry, and footsloggers are wortht their weigth in gold.

Totally 8th

6th edition was big for me as that is when I played the most. I think I only played 2 or 3 games in 7th edition.

8th edition had a lot of changes that I'm not too fond of, but what can you do? Things like not striking first when charging really bug me as it makes sense that your momentum would allow the first hit, especially with things like cavalry with lances.

I do however like the changes to magic, except having to choose lore at the time of design instead of pre game, but I understand the reasoning behind it.

So yeah, I loved 6th edition.

For me, 5th (although I've not played 7th or 8th). I also liked 4th, but 5th gave us the first Lizardmen book, who were fun. I did not like 6th so much; it felt like a very different game.

6th ed is my all time favourite.

I started in 5th with brets, back in the days of insane herohammer where you could have such ungodly combos like a bus of knights with a general who negated every magic item in the opposing unit, backed up by a the Banner of the Lady which also negated all their ranks too!
And your knights worked in triangles and had no flanks to take advantage of...

7th nearly ruined fantasy for me with the Daemons feth-up... After facing off against a Tzeentch list w/22 power dice & 12 flamers, I abandoned the game untill 8th because there was no way to compete unless you ran daemons or DE's.

8th isn't bad and overall I enjoy it, but it's not an edition for my VC's. Unstable is broken and makes most undead all but useless unless you can hit them 2-3+ buffs. (or hex your enemy to hell and back!)
Fear needed fixing for sure, but now it's almost pointless due to how the BSB + general pretty much grants immunity to psychology.
Steadfast turns everyone else into better tarpits than the undead.



6th was great though and it does seem like the game is getting back towards it's ideals of infantry being king. My only real complaint in 6th was that GW tonned characters back a bit too much, to the point that most became cosmetic, or else your truely fearsome characters were so expensive you hardly ever got to use them! (Vampire Lords were truely scary back then, but to take him & his zombies dragon used up 1 Lord + 2 Hero slots and ran you about 800pts !)

But I loved most of all the themed appendix lists that came with 6th ed army books! Those were a blast, maybe not the most balanced, but they were a helluva lot more fun to face than the newer number-crunched, 'net-lists'.

Oh, and magic in 6th ed was actually sane! My biggest pet peeve in 8th right now are those idiotic 'remove from table' spells that auto-win games by simply chucking 6 dice and watching a giant template shoot through an I2 army... Wll done GW not to spot how broken that could ever turn out!

8th.

as a dwarf 4th was amazing... such a tank army with runes that did EVERYTHING
3rd was good but very difficult lots of holes in the rules... and 5th just started getting dumb as they released lizardmen and started making newer army lists that would dominate the older ones

8th. It's the first edition I've played where large groups of troops can reliably stay in the field, grinding down elite but less numerous enemy units. There's a few things that'd be nice to fix (like lances getting ASF) but they're nitpicks. For the first time I feel like the core game underpinning everything is genuinely versatile.

I can only coment on the editions that I played in.

WHFB 4th / 5th editions were pure herohammer. I started the game and immediately quit in disgust.
WHFB 6th edition was hands down the best in the diversity of units and tactics available to win and general balance of the game.
WHFB 7th edition was decent but was ruined by the latter Army Book releases.
WHFB 8th edition is a piece of crap aimed and 13 year olds and designed to sell monsters and large numbers on infantry models, that single handedly managed to destroy the game in my country. Thanks GW!

6th. Really not a fan of 8th, with the "if you think you have enough models, you don't" mentality.

started in 4th played the hell out of the the game till 6th and then took a long break.

I really like alot of the changes in 8th and feel with a bit more fine tuning they could make it the best edition in the game allowing heavy cav to get impact hits for instance to bring cav back up to what it should be (altho I have a theory that they are just going to make cheaper as more army books come out)

Or fixing the rules to make redirecting more reliable (no redirecting of charges or free reforms after combat)

Only ever played 8th. I've heard that 4th was really really good though.

WHFB 8th edition is a piece of crap aimed and 13 year olds and designed to sell monsters and large numbers on infantry models, that single handedly managed to destroy the game in my country. Thanks GW!

Not saying you're wrong, I'd just like a bit more explanation on this statement. How did it ruin the game in your country?

*Also monsters, whilst undeniably useful, are not as prolific as you seem to believe, seeing as they are very vulnerable to cannons and the like. The infantry thing is fair enough, but having large units of infantry makes sense, at least, in terms of realistic battlefield capability.

Dr. Delorean wrote:

WHFB 8th edition is a piece of crap aimed and 13 year olds and designed to sell monsters and large numbers on infantry models, that single handedly managed to destroy the game in my country. Thanks GW!

Not saying you're wrong, I'd just like a bit more explanation on this statement. How did it ruin the game in your country?

*Also monsters, whilst undeniably useful, are not as prolific as you seem to believe, seeing as they are very vulnerable to cannons and the like. The infantry thing is fair enough, but having large units of infantry makes sense, at least, in terms of realistic battlefield capability.

I'm not going to argue about what I feel are the failures of 8th edition, mine are much the same as most everyone else that dislikes this edition.

As for the state of the game in my country, before 8th edition was released, WHFB was undeniably the most played game over here, we had monthly store tournaments and twice a year we had a big 2 day tournament that managed to get around 50+ people playing together.

What is the state of WHFB this year, I hear you ask? The monthly store tournaments are long gone due to lack of players and the two big two days events were reduced to just one event that managed to get a whole 20 players (before you ask, in 6th / 7th edition we managed to get this many players for a single store tournament)... Let me allow that to sink in, the only WHFB tournament to take place in over 6 months that was also the supposed big national WHFB event of the year managed to gather 20 players!

Also, we didn't even took part in this years ETC because we couldn't get enough players interested in getting a team together...

Yeah, 8th edition is the bestest edition ever! GG GW!

Like others have mentioned above, the 6/7 editions were very good, but ultimately 7th was hampered by the army books being way out of balance. I, like a lot of players I think, was disappointed with many of the changes in 8th. I've been playing a lot less this edition.

8th

8th. By far.

I prefer my games to reward solid battle planning for the long term, but "front rank kill = win."

I've only ever played 8th Edition Warhammer, I was given a tutorial in 7th. But 8th was when I had a army at fighting strength.

I prefer 8th because Cav are not overpowered and magic has a nice change.


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PhantomViper wrote:I can only coment on the editions that I played in.

WHFB 4th / 5th editions were pure herohammer. I started the game and immediately quit in disgust.
WHFB 6th edition was hands down the best in the diversity of units and tactics available to win and general balance of the game.
WHFB 7th edition was decent but was ruined by the latter Army Book releases.
WHFB 8th edition is a piece of crap aimed and 13 year olds and designed to sell monsters and large numbers on infantry models, that single handedly managed to destroy the game in my country. Thanks GW!

Dude. That argument is flawed. Just because your precious Cav models does work anymore does not mean they are trying to sell hordes. They are balancing the game. GW are just trying something new and fun.


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PhantomViper wrote:

Dr. Delorean wrote:

WHFB 8th edition is a piece of crap aimed and 13 year olds and designed to sell monsters and large numbers on infantry models, that single handedly managed to destroy the game in my country. Thanks GW!

Not saying you're wrong, I'd just like a bit more explanation on this statement. How did it ruin the game in your country?

*Also monsters, whilst undeniably useful, are not as prolific as you seem to believe, seeing as they are very vulnerable to cannons and the like. The infantry thing is fair enough, but having large units of infantry makes sense, at least, in terms of realistic battlefield capability.

I'm not going to argue about what I feel are the failures of 8th edition, mine are much the same as most everyone else that dislikes this edition.

As for the state of the game in my country, before 8th edition was released, WHFB was undeniably the most played game over here, we had monthly store tournaments and twice a year we had a big 2 day tournament that managed to get around 50+ people playing together.

What is the state of WHFB this year, I hear you ask? The monthly store tournaments are long gone due to lack of players and the two big two days events were reduced to just one event that managed to get a whole 20 players (before you ask, in 6th / 7th edition we managed to get this many players for a single store tournament)... Let me allow that to sink in, the only WHFB tournament to take place in over 6 months that was also the supposed big national WHFB event of the year managed to gather 20 players!

Also, we didn't even took part in this years ETC because we couldn't get enough players interested in getting a team together...

Yeah, 8th edition is the bestest edition ever! GG GW!

People loved 7th in my country because they could cheese the hell out of their list and win. It is probably the same case in your country.

I've aired this opinion before, but 8th. There are flaws, to be sure, but I've found a much greater parity in armies in 8th, This may have been true at the start of 6th- I didn't start playing till mid-late 6th edition, and then, only sparingly.

Also, games tend to be more of a two player affair. As a dwarf player, I now participate in the movement phase (longer charges), and combat phase (more than just rolling armor saves and break checks).

8th. I started with WoC, then Ogres, then O&G in 7th. Never really had much fun. It was always, "My cav has greater movement than you. I win." Maybe wanted to play a "Warriors" of Chaos army and not a "Superlord-on-a-juggernaught-with-his-Knight-buddies-and-a-couple-of-Marauder-horsemen-taggalongs" of Chaos army.

rockerbikie wrote:A whole lot of crap

I really don't care what you think and I really don't care that you think that people have "hidden reasons" other than the ones they mention and I'm certainly not going to waste my time refuting your ridiculous claims.

I just stated what happened in my country and from what I've read on this and other forums this is what happened all over the world as well and WHFB sales plummeted accordingly.

You like 8th? More power to you, a couple of younger kids have started to pick it up again over here and we are now seeing 2-4 of them that are playing games regularly and maybe that was GW's intentions all along to change the game so that it appealed to a younger demographic. I just find it amusing that after all this time GW still doesn't understand who spends more money on their toys but hey, all those other emerging companies sure are appreciative of their efforts!

PhantomViper wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:A whole lot of crap

I really don't care what you think and I really don't care that you think that people have "hidden reasons" other than the ones they mention and I'm certainly not going to waste my time refuting your ridiculous claims.

I just stated what happened in my country and from what I've read on this and other forums this is what happened all over the world as well and WHFB sales plummeted accordingly.

You like 8th? More power to you, a couple of younger kids have started to pick it up again over here and we are now seeing 2-4 of them that are playing games regularly and maybe that was GW's intentions all along to change the game so that it appealed to a younger demographic. I just find it amusing that after all this time GW still doesn't understand who spends more money on their toys but hey, all those other emerging companies sure are appreciative of their efforts!

And yet you feel the need to vent here. Sad.

PhantomViper wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:A whole lot of crap

I really don't care what you think and I really don't care that you think that people have "hidden reasons" other than the ones they mention and I'm certainly not going to waste my time refuting your ridiculous claims.

I just stated what happened in my country and from what I've read on this and other forums this is what happened all over the world as well and WHFB sales plummeted accordingly.

You like 8th? More power to you, a couple of younger kids have started to pick it up again over here and we are now seeing 2-4 of them that are playing games regularly and maybe that was GW's intentions all along to change the game so that it appealed to a younger demographic. I just find it amusing that after all this time GW still doesn't understand who spends more money on their toys but hey, all those other emerging companies sure are appreciative of their efforts!

No. I disagree with that statement a majority of the people who are palying Fantasy in my store at GW Wollongong is 18+. Also, your eltist attiude is purely insulting to those who actually enjoy 8th Edition. People hate change Phantom, WHFB changed alot in 8th and people got upset because of that. If they are trying to sell to kid why do they have Slannesh? In my opinion Warhammer WHFB should be a game for adults and not for kids. Warhammer 40k is for more kids.

Tone it down please gents, there's no need to insult or belittle each other.

+1 with regards to cavalry inflicting impact hits too.

I started in 5th, and it was crazy times. The card based magic system and the general crazyness of characters made for a game that appealed to me when I was 15. When I was in Uni getting back into Fantasy, it was with Ravening Hordes and Sixth Edition. To me, that is the best edition. It had sane magic, sane characters, and I felt it rewarded tactical movement and set up quite a lot. The problems I had with it were army book specific really. 6th edition Seige is one of the best add ons GW have ever done and gave me some amazing games. That was the period when I bought 4 Fantasy armies.

7th edition was fun, but I gradually found my Orcs and Goblins utterly outmatched by other armies, especially as I didn't have the money to buy stuff to compensate quite a lot of the time. i eventually managed to switch to a dwarven gunline list that could hold it's own, and then I found high level competitive fantasy fun again, though it still bugged me how plainly unbalanced Daemons and Dark Elves were.

With 8th, I haven't played many games. The ones I have have been won by ridiculous magic spells and random occurances. I feel like 8th could be by far the best edition with a few tweaks (ie. cav with lances or spears getting ASF OR cav getting impact hits, Steadfast being negated by flanking with two ranks, so on.) I think my ranking of the editions I've played would go:
6th
7th (until Daemons was released)
8th
5th
But it's very close in the top three, to be honest.

rockerbikie wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:A whole lot of crap

I really don't care what you think and I really don't care that you think that people have "hidden reasons" other than the ones they mention and I'm certainly not going to waste my time refuting your ridiculous claims.

I just stated what happened in my country and from what I've read on this and other forums this is what happened all over the world as well and WHFB sales plummeted accordingly.

You like 8th? More power to you, a couple of younger kids have started to pick it up again over here and we are now seeing 2-4 of them that are playing games regularly and maybe that was GW's intentions all along to change the game so that it appealed to a younger demographic. I just find it amusing that after all this time GW still doesn't understand who spends more money on their toys but hey, all those other emerging companies sure are appreciative of their efforts!

No. I disagree with that statement a majority of the people who are palying Fantasy in my store at GW Wollongong is 18+. Also, your eltist attiude is purely insulting to those who actually enjoy 8th Edition. People hate change Phantom, WHFB changed alot in 8th and people got upset because of that. If they are trying to sell to kid why do they have Slannesh? In my opinion Warhammer WHFB should be a game for adults and not for kids. Warhammer 40k is for more kids.

Again, I don't care about your opinions and if you agree or disagree with me because I'm stating facts no opinions. And if you wan't to feel offended then I suggest you direct those feelings towards GW since the fact that GW games are targeted at the 12-15 demographic has been stated by them time and again including one particular conversation heard by me between a GW sales rep and a LGS owner where the GW employee was advising the LGS owner to get rid of all the older players in his store because he was supposed to concentrate on selling to young kids who where apparently intimidated by the older players...

That the changes in 8th where targeted at selling more models and making WHFB more appealing to young kids isn't too hard to see as well:

- Younger kids have trouble accurately judging spatial distance, therefore GW made it so it didn't mattered by making all charge ranges variable and taking the focus away from the charge;
- Younger kids don't understand the importance of thinking ahead and tactical movement and unit placement and where frustrated by terrain, units being prevented from marching, etc, GW got rid of all these things and made so that terrain had no impact on your movement;
- Younger kids like big, flashy effects, therefore GW revamped the magic system and introduced the "I win" spells;
- Etc..

So if you feel that I'm "elitist" for stating that WHFB 8th edition is a game for young kids, go and take your complains to GW, they where the ones that made the game into what it is. But there isn't anything wrong in liking WHFB 8th, like I said, if you like playing it, more power to you, I love playing Lego Ninjago with my 4 year old son and I'm WAY past its target demographic...

PhantomViper wrote:That the changes in 8th where targeted at selling more models and making WHFB more appealing to young kids isn't too hard to see as well:

- Younger kids have trouble accurately judging spatial distance, therefore GW made it so it didn't mattered by making all charge ranges variable and taking the focus away from the charge;
- Younger kids don't understand the importance of thinking ahead and tactical movement and unit placement and where frustrated by terrain, units being prevented from marching, etc, GW got rid of all these things and made so that terrain had no impact on your movement;
- Younger kids like big, flashy effects, therefore GW revamped the magic system and introduced the "I win" spells;
- Etc..

I'm not sure what game you were playing but it clearly wasn't 8th ed.

Everyone of your points is an internet trope, most of them originating prior to the release of 8th. Plus they are perpetuated by disgruntled 7th ed players who didn't want to change because it meant they could no longer use their tricksy playstyle.

The changes have nothing to do with 'younger players', they were brought in to bring balance to the game. If anything the game is now more tactical, forcing players to make tough decisions with regard to risk and reward and troop placement. The better players know this and recognise the increased level of skill required to keep on top of their game.

The silliest point you make is with regard to terrain having no effect. Try putting you 10 ranked unit in a wood and see if terrain has no effect? Leaving aside the mysterios terrain rules. Ironically the complaint against these being that the terrain has too much influence on a game.

I quit 8th because it is blatently obvious it has become about trying to force folks to go with even larger units and armies.

Points keep going down, Horde units are great, large monsters and kits we couldn't own before are the new hotness. Okay that has been a sort of situation for as long as Kirby has been at the top, but with 8th it just feels really blatent. Each army release needs two 'new' (as in vets won't have them) big kits.. really?

Oddly I think the rules are quite nicely done in a lot of places, but the overiding feeling of this edition does not appeal to me at all.

As to fave edition, probably 6th, it was the one I played the most and was eager to play often, although I do have found memories of third. .