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Now whether you think it for fluff, paint, or general badassery, what do you think is the best SM legion. This can be Pre or Post heresy, whichever you like

Any son the Emperor doesn't want to talk about is badassed in my book.

So how does the II legion get two votes, but the XI only get 1? What heresy is this?

Pre-heresy death guard were the best IMO. They were hardy warriors who didn't lower themselves to using transport tanks. They knew the killing power of the bolter, and they knew it well.

Being able to use their bolters as pistols, using them in close combat, that is what a real warrior can do.

They didn't even need the flashy colors that the other chapters had. Unpainted except for green on the edges... wonderful.

And of course, Mortarion, the Primarch who didn't need any corruption by Chaos. His confidence great enough that he would risk his life to prove he was better than the Emperor.

The Death Guard are by far my favorite and the best legion.

Have you read Galaxy in Flames? Totally changed my opinion of them, they're now in the top 5 most favorite

Iron Within, Iron Without.

Alpha Legion, rebelling in the belief that they know what the Emperor wants better than he does, pure class

[Censored by Inquisition- the Legion you voted for does not exist] is the best. Fighting for the Emperor against the Emperor.

The first, the best, the Dark Angels! For the Lion!

I love the Arthurian-inspired fluff, the colors, the Deathwing and the Ravenwing. They never surrender, they never fall back and they never forget. They where my first army and still my favorite.

So repent! for tomorrow you die!

For Sanguinius, Lorgar and Dorn!

I voted Sons of Horus because i thought we were voting the BEST legion. Not the ones we like, but in all fairness my favourites are probably luna wolves due to first horus heresy books or space wolves cause they kick gak

The black legion. Because they are the only real true legion still left. Everything else is now broken up into small chapters or warring chaos warbands.

Eldenfirefly wrote:The black legion. Because they are the only real true legion still left. Everything else is now broken up into small chapters or warring chaos warbands.

The Alpha Legion, Word Bearers and Space Wolves would like a word.

Durza wrote:

Eldenfirefly wrote:The black legion. Because they are the only real true legion still left. Everything else is now broken up into small chapters or warring chaos warbands.

The Alpha Legion, Word Bearers and Space Wolves would like a word.

I'm pretty sure that the Space Wolves are smaller than they used to be, though they are a fair chunk larger than Codex standard. Iron Warriors are also relatively unified (better than the World Eaters at least).

Black Templars probably should get a shout out, since they're basically an Imperial Fist legion that's keeping on with the Great Crusade.

pre-heresy Death Guard or Imperial Fists, they're arguably the two most durable legions.

I like the Emperors Children.

Before the Heresy,they where so cool. And if I was Fulgrim I would have had the same idea. And the fall into choas was pretty well done,it came from such a human desire,to be perfect. It had an almost Shakespearian feeling to it.

Ultramarines for sure.
Apart for being the Legion that conquer worlds with fewest casualties and aggression they had the most marines ( 250.000 ). And they helped save the Imperium after the Heresy.

Eldenfirefly wrote:The black legion. Because they are the only real true legion still left. Everything else is now broken up into small chapters or warring chaos warbands.

To be fair, most of the chaos legions are still the same as before, still organized into bands/chapters, but no legion leader to hold them together

Nothing more badass than a suit of armor with pink trim-it says "we don't care what anyone else thinks-we're REAL men." Emperor's children win for me.

Brother Coa wrote:Ultramarines for sure.
Apart for being the Legion that conquer worlds with fewest casualties and aggression they had the most marines ( 250.000 ). And they helped save the Imperium after the Heresy.

Yes, by being conveniently absent during it.

Durza wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Ultramarines for sure.
Apart for being the Legion that conquer worlds with fewest casualties and aggression they had the most marines ( 250.000 ). And they helped save the Imperium after the Heresy.

Yes, by being conveniently absent during it.

It was not their fault that operated at the other side of the galaxy at that time. They even listened to Horus and went to destroy an Ork Empire.
When they finished that, they realized something was wrong and by then it was to late.

Can you blaim San Francisco armed forces not being able to defend, say, New York when it was attacked?

Brother Coa wrote:

Durza wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Ultramarines for sure.
Apart for being the Legion that conquer worlds with fewest casualties and aggression they had the most marines ( 250.000 ). And they helped save the Imperium after the Heresy.

Yes, by being conveniently absent during it.

It was not their fault that operated at the other side of the galaxy at that time. They even listened to Horus and went to destroy an Ork Empire.
When they finished that, they realized something was wrong and by then it was to late.

Can you blaim San Francisco armed forces not being able to defend, say, New York when it was attacked?

Well we can but it'd illogical. As far as best legion, I'm not a fan of the smurfs but you have to hand it to em for their successes as well as them getting enough respect to make the new rules for the chapters, etc.

Brother Coa wrote:

Durza wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Ultramarines for sure.
Apart for being the Legion that conquer worlds with fewest casualties and aggression they had the most marines ( 250.000 ). And they helped save the Imperium after the Heresy.

Yes, by being conveniently absent during it.

It was not their fault that operated at the other side of the galaxy at that time. They even listened to Horus and went to destroy an Ork Empire.
When they finished that, they realized something was wrong and by then it was to late.

Can you blaim San Francisco armed forces not being able to defend, say, New York when it was attacked?

I can if defending New York is that force's main and most important task, murdering Europeans for the crime of not being American apart, and they decided to send their entire force to the other side of the continent on a wild goose chase instead of dividing the largest armed force in the country to do two things at once.

Durza wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Durza wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Ultramarines for sure.
Apart for being the Legion that conquer worlds with fewest casualties and aggression they had the most marines ( 250.000 ). And they helped save the Imperium after the Heresy.

Yes, by being conveniently absent during it.

It was not their fault that operated at the other side of the galaxy at that time. They even listened to Horus and went to destroy an Ork Empire.
When they finished that, they realized something was wrong and by then it was to late.

Can you blaim San Francisco armed forces not being able to defend, say, New York when it was attacked?

I can if defending New York is that force's main and most important task, murdering Europeans for the crime of not being American apart, and they decided to send their entire force to the other side of the continent on a wild goose chase instead of dividing the largest armed force in the country to do two things at once.

The smurfs arent the only group of marines so how can you blame them for doing their job? Their most important job is to follow their orders given not assume that Horus would go nuts. That sounds more like alpha or the batman squad to be that paranoid.

They were the largest legion, and they all travelled together to face the Orks? The Iron Warriors on the other hand, were split into pieces because no one else understood siege warfare for some reason, the Dark Angels split themselves in half after their first major battle because the Lion threw a hissy fit, and most other legions have a few examples of companies being sent out on their own (like the Wolf Lord in one of the short stories).

What kind of threat could possibly have warranted the entire legion?

Durza wrote:They were the largest legion, and they all travelled together to face the Orks? The Iron Warriors on the other hand, were split into pieces because no one else understood siege warfare for some reason, the Dark Angels split themselves in half after their first major battle because the Lion threw a hissy fit, and most other legions have a few examples of companies being sent out on their own (like the Wolf Lord in one of the short stories).

What kind of threat could possibly have warranted the entire legion?

Then blame the command not the men following orders. It is also plausible that sending the largest away is a tactics choice. I mean Horus before being outed did make choices to weaken the imperium abusing his authority.

1. Nightlords
2. Alpha Legion
3. Raven Guard
4. Imperial Fist successors (I really don't like the IF themselves)
5. Pre-Heresy World Eaters

Brother Coa wrote:

Durza wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Ultramarines for sure.
Apart for being the Legion that conquer worlds with fewest casualties and aggression they had the most marines ( 250.000 ). And they helped save the Imperium after the Heresy.

Yes, by being conveniently absent during it.

It was not their fault that operated at the other side of the galaxy at that time. They even listened to Horus and went to destroy an Ork Empire.
When they finished that, they realized something was wrong and by then it was to late.

Can you blaim San Francisco armed forces not being able to defend, say, New York when it was attacked?

Draigo wrote:

Durza wrote:They were the largest legion, and they all travelled together to face the Orks? The Iron Warriors on the other hand, were split into pieces because no one else understood siege warfare for some reason, the Dark Angels split themselves in half after their first major battle because the Lion threw a hissy fit, and most other legions have a few examples of companies being sent out on their own (like the Wolf Lord in one of the short stories).

What kind of threat could possibly have warranted the entire legion?

Then blame the command not the men following orders. It is also plausible that sending the largest away is a tactics choice. I mean Horus before being outed did make choices to weaken the imperium abusing his authority.

Undoubtedly it was Horus' plan, but Guilliman fell right into it. And of course, since Guilliman was Horus' spiritual liege, he shouldn't have been following Horus' orders anyway *trollface*

Durza wrote:
Undoubtedly it was Horus' plan, but Guilliman fell right into it. And of course, since Guilliman was Horus' spiritual liege, he shouldn't have been following Horus' orders anyway *trollface*

Because Horus was warmaster appointed by the Emepror and Gulilman must listen to his every command
He didn't know then that Horus has fallen, so he carry out his order just what his father expected of him.
Problem?