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TheAngrySquig wrote:Really they sided with their true betrayer. It's funny that they seek knowledge, but know so little of their past

That is true, but that's what makes them more interesting. Even though Horus sent the Space Wolves to burn Prospero, the Emperor did label Magnus as a heretic when he warned him of Horus' betrayal.

LoneLictor wrote:
You think the fandom doesn't hate them too? Haven't you heard the rule of Dakka? "As a thread progresses, the probability of a user mentioning Draigo/Ward equals 1." Nobody said Ultramarines were the only problem with the background.

I know fandom hates them too. But if everything is the problem, then the Ultramarines shouldn't be a problem. But you said you dislike them. But they are like every other faction. Thus you must be filled with constant loathing. Or, as I suspect, simply hypocrisy.

All Space Marines want to be Ultramarines. That's right, all. Even the Space Wolves, who don't view the Index Astartes as worthy of toilet paper.

Read my earlier post. That's misdirected nerd rage and not true. You need to actually read Codex: Space Marines, not 1d4chan.

Basilone died while defending it. And a single American soldier holding back a couple dozen Japanese Soldiers is extremely impressive, but a single Marine holding back an entire Waagh! (hundreds of Orks, tanks and a Warboss at the head) would be a lot more difficult.

He didn't die doing that. Basilone died on Iwo Jima during the initial beach assault. That Medal of Honor citation was from Guadalcanal. He did all that, and lived. And I think you need to look up how large that Japanese unit was. A regiment is a little more than "a couple dozen".

Draigo wrote:Thats why I said at the end of hh/second founding

Oh didn't see the "end of hh" bit, sorry

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:
You think the fandom doesn't hate them too? Haven't you heard the rule of Dakka? "As a thread progresses, the probability of a user mentioning Draigo/Ward equals 1." Nobody said Ultramarines were the only problem with the background.

I know fandom hates them too. But if everything is the problem, then the Ultramarines shouldn't be a problem. But you said you dislike them. But they are like every other faction. Thus you must be filled with constant loathing. Or, as I suspect, simply hypocrisy.

All Space Marines want to be Ultramarines. That's right, all. Even the Space Wolves, who don't view the Index Astartes as worthy of toilet paper.

Read my earlier post. That's misdirected nerd rage and not true. You need to actually read Codex: Space Marines, not 1d4chan.

The Space Wolves are called degenerates or something similar for not wanting to be Ultramarines and following their own primarch's teachings.

Iron Within, Iron Without

Durza wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:
You think the fandom doesn't hate them too? Haven't you heard the rule of Dakka? "As a thread progresses, the probability of a user mentioning Draigo/Ward equals 1." Nobody said Ultramarines were the only problem with the background.

I know fandom hates them too. But if everything is the problem, then the Ultramarines shouldn't be a problem. But you said you dislike them. But they are like every other faction. Thus you must be filled with constant loathing. Or, as I suspect, simply hypocrisy.

All Space Marines want to be Ultramarines. That's right, all. Even the Space Wolves, who don't view the Index Astartes as worthy of toilet paper.

Read my earlier post. That's misdirected nerd rage and not true. You need to actually read Codex: Space Marines, not 1d4chan.

The Space Wolves are called degenerates or something similar for not wanting to be Ultramarines and following their own primarch's teachings.

Oh those silly wolves

Durza wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:
You think the fandom doesn't hate them too? Haven't you heard the rule of Dakka? "As a thread progresses, the probability of a user mentioning Draigo/Ward equals 1." Nobody said Ultramarines were the only problem with the background.

I know fandom hates them too. But if everything is the problem, then the Ultramarines shouldn't be a problem. But you said you dislike them. But they are like every other faction. Thus you must be filled with constant loathing. Or, as I suspect, simply hypocrisy.

All Space Marines want to be Ultramarines. That's right, all. Even the Space Wolves, who don't view the Index Astartes as worthy of toilet paper.

Read my earlier post. That's misdirected nerd rage and not true. You need to actually read Codex: Space Marines, not 1d4chan.

The Space Wolves are called degenerates or something similar for not wanting to be Ultramarines and following their own primarch's teachings.

I'll defer back to what I said about reading the Codex.

They are called "aberrants" which means "Departing from an accepted standard", or "Deviating from the norm". Not really similar to being degenerates. Really, that's the worst it says about them. Calling them "aberrant", "stubborn", and "divergent" (from the Codex in the way they organize their forces) and says they play no role in the volume which is about the Ultramarines and those who follow their example. You're mixing your paragraphs. Yeah, the earlier part about how the other First Founding chapters and their successors can "never be Ultramarines" is a bit over the top, but Codex: Space Marines is a book about the Ultramarines, and the Utramarines are "the greatest of Space Marine chapters". You'd sort of expect a book about them and from their perspective is going to read a little biased towards them. However, it never says that any of these chapters want to be Ultramarines, only that they can't be. How else would the Ultramarines perceive the nature of the Blood Angels (who are a Codex adherent chapter, but are unfortunately cursed with a gene seed flaw that prevents them from doing so completely)? Awkward language for sure, but nobody has ever accused Games Workshop's authors of being master wordsmiths. Though it still hasn't been explained why it is okay for some Codex books to be self aggrandizing and for the Ultramarines one to not be okay doing the same thing.

Dark Angels!

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:
You think the fandom doesn't hate them too? Haven't you heard the rule of Dakka? "As a thread progresses, the probability of a user mentioning Draigo/Ward equals 1." Nobody said Ultramarines were the only problem with the background.

I know fandom hates them too. But if everything is the problem, then the Ultramarines shouldn't be a problem. But you said you dislike them. But they are like every other faction. Thus you must be filled with constant loathing. Or, as I suspect, simply hypocrisy.

Yer twisting my words. I never said the whole of 40k was like that or that I only dislike the Ultramarines. I miss the olden days of 4th and 3rd, when the background was great. Now I sound like a whiny old guy. Le sigh.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

All Space Marines want to be Ultramarines. That's right, all. Even the Space Wolves, who don't view the Index Astartes as worthy of toilet paper.

Read my earlier post. That's misdirected nerd rage and not true. You need to actually read Codex: Space Marines, not 1d4chan.

There is a quote that "All Space Marines want to be Ultramarines." The book says that. It contradicts the background and its ridiculous. But the book says that.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Basilone died while defending it. And a single American soldier holding back a couple dozen Japanese Soldiers is extremely impressive, but a single Marine holding back an entire Waagh! (hundreds of Orks, tanks and a Warboss at the head) would be a lot more difficult.

He didn't die doing that. Basilone died on Iwo Jima during the initial beach assault. That Medal of Honor citation was from Guadalcanal. He did all that, and lived. And I think you need to look up how large that Japanese unit was. A regiment is a little more than "a couple dozen".

Wikipedia says he was killed by shrapnel from a Japanese mortar during the conflict. And the conflict was short. He was never fighting the whole regiment at the same time; the conflict simply didn't last long enough for that to happen. However, holding off an entire Ork Waagh! for a night and the day would be a very, very, very, very long battle.

For anyone still bringing up Basilone, you have to jack it up to him being a space marine, so a day and a night is like a minute of his life and he was legitimately made to kill. He is also wearing Terminator armor, so most of the attacks can't do a damn thing

TheAngrySquig wrote:For anyone still bringing up Basilone, you have to jack it up to him being a space marine, so a day and a night is like a minute of his life and he was legitimately made to kill. He is also wearing Terminator armor, so most of the attacks can't do a damn thing

Basilone is not to Calgar as a portion of a Japanese Regiment is to en entire Ork Waagh! Orks have mega-armor and tanks and all sorts of crazy stuff.

The Orks also can't hit the broadside of a barn with any of those tanks that manage to stay together long enough to fire, much less a specific target. Mega Armor is a joke compared to Calgar's fists of fury and he is one of the greatest fighters in the Imperium, I think it's safe to say that he could hold out for just a day

TheAngrySquig wrote:The Orks also can't hit the broadside of a barn with any of those tanks that manage to stay together long enough to fire, much less a specific target. Mega Armor is a joke compared to Calgar's fists of fury and he is one of the greatest fighters in the Imperium, I think it's safe to say that he could hold out for just a day

That never wears a helmet. Only Heroe get away with that silliness..

Draigo wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:The Orks also can't hit the broadside of a barn with any of those tanks that manage to stay together long enough to fire, much less a specific target. Mega Armor is a joke compared to Calgar's fists of fury and he is one of the greatest fighters in the Imperium, I think it's safe to say that he could hold out for just a day

That never wears a helmet. Only Heroe get away with that silliness..

He doesn't need a helmet, the plot armor covers his head

Hence why I said heroes get away with it sheesh..

Oh, I really need to stop skimming posts

TheAngrySquig wrote:

Draigo wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:The Orks also can't hit the broadside of a barn with any of those tanks that manage to stay together long enough to fire, much less a specific target. Mega Armor is a joke compared to Calgar's fists of fury and he is one of the greatest fighters in the Imperium, I think it's safe to say that he could hold out for just a day

That never wears a helmet. Only Heroe get away with that silliness..

He doesn't need a helmet, the plot armor covers his head

EXACTLY! PRECISELY!

The only way he could hold off an entire Waagh! is plot armor!

Yeah I agree that its a wee bit OTT, but it's also really cool

LoneLictor wrote:Yer twisting my words. I never said the whole of 40k was like that or that I only dislike the Ultramarines. I miss the olden days of 4th and 3rd, when the background was great. Now I sound like a whiny old guy. Le sigh.

I'm not twisting your words, I was merely extrapolating with a little bit of hyperbole mixed in.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:There is a quote that "All Space Marines want to be Ultramarines." The book says that. It contradicts the background and its ridiculous. But the book says that.

It doesn't. Or, if it does, somebody needs to cite a page number. Because I am looking at "The Page" that gets everyone all riled up, and it doesn't say anything like that.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Basilone died while defending it. And a single American soldier holding back a couple dozen Japanese Soldiers is extremely impressive, but a single Marine holding back an entire Waagh! (hundreds of Orks, tanks and a Warboss at the head) would be a lot more difficult.

He didn't die doing that. Basilone died on Iwo Jima during the initial beach assault. That Medal of Honor citation was from Guadalcanal. He did all that, and lived. And I think you need to look up how large that Japanese unit was. A regiment is a little more than "a couple dozen".

Wikipedia says he was killed by shrapnel from a Japanese mortar during the conflict. And the conflict was short. He was never fighting the whole regiment at the same time; the conflict simply didn't last long enough for that to happen. However, holding off an entire Ork Waagh! for a night and the day would be a very, very, very, very long battle.

You're reading the Wiki wrong. Trust me. I was a Marine for most of a decade. I can recall the details of Manilla John before I can remember my girlfriend's birthday. No, seriously. It's in October some time.

Anyway, yeah, the story of Calgar against the Waaaaagh! a little silly. But he's supposed to be a little larger than life, just like the rest of the universe's special characters.

And lonelictor, I'm guessing you like death guard because of your sig. How is holding out against a WAAAGH for just a day any more ridiculous then spreading a zombie-plauge across either dozens or hundreds of world, can't recall atm

do thunder warriors count? there the only (dunno if you could really call it a chapter) space marines to succesfully conquer earth, plus there primarch was the emperor.
if i had to pick an official chapter i would be stuck between sons of horus/luna wolves and space wolves.
sons/luna were the most powerfull chapter of there time, with the best primarch.
the space wolves are just plain badass. as for there "defect" the space wolf genetic defect is actually a benefit. sure it makes you look more and more feral, but do you know why that is? as space wolves become more and more exposed to chaos they look more feral, but they also become more resistant to it, like getting a tan. thats why the 13th have managed to stay alive and uncorrupted in the eye of terror since the HH
ultramarines defiantly arent as there the justin biebers of 40k. massively overhyped and homosexual.

I dont think Thunder Warriors really count, and Earth was a whole lot easier to conquer if the Emperor was your general. And I agree that the wolves defect is gak, it really just helps them

Legion II

But in all seriousness, I like the Salamanders with the way each warrior's gear is personally maintained by them. I like that.

The Salamanders also care about normal people right?

The one that got away

templarsandorks? wrote:The one that got away

Meaning who exactly