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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Oh man, that father and son are totally each other's world entire. I'm choking right in the feels. Is it only available through the GC?

I was wondering the same thing. I definitely want the Beast Hunter armor set, and would probably buy all of the narrative sculpts as well... I just want the option of buying them one at a time, instead of all RIGHT NOW.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, Albino Squirrel, did you want to part with yours?


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Want to split the entire GC 50/50, you get the rules, I get the minis?

Isn't that more like 10/90?

BobtheInquisitor: I'll need to wait and see what ends up in the Gambler's Chest. I may not even get it. If I do, there may be a few models I actually want. I'm not going to pay $50 plus shipping just for the rules "half" of it. I think the models are much more than 50% of the content.

 endtransmission wrote:
I'venot had a chance to crawl through the comments section, but has there been any indication of what the Super Survivors actually *are*? Currently it just looks like 4 figures with no rules... which looks like a lot for $40 when you compare it to the new expansions

it looks like they are Adams homage to the Super Saiyans of Dragonball Z (http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan) so while there is no guarantee of any in game use it wouldn't surprise me if there might be a game card or two with big rewards in terms of combat power but big risks in terms of wrecking the surrounding area like your settlement

Orland, they definitely are-- he made an overt reference when he was posting one of their illustrations.

No idea about the rules... they're priced on the low side for things w/o content, on the high side of things with content... because in this campaign, things are more expensive if they don't have rules.

Oh I also caught from the comments that all the expansions people bought from the BF sale from the EU warehouse have just been sent out according to Dark Mediator who is one of the KD shipping folk


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the voting from the twitch stream

they got to present 3 requests to Adam for new content with Adam making 1 of them if they won (they did)..... or if he doesn't like any of the options making up something else entirely

so it looks like either More Settlement Events (could be fun, I could see Adam liking the idea), More Hunt Events (again I think this is possible), a Krampus Nemesis (probably not as I think it's too dependant on non KD mythology) or of course something else from Adams fevered dreams (I think he said he only got 3 hours sleep last night)

So update

SLOPPY UPDATE - POOTS NEEDS SLEEP, Gambler's Chest Roll #17, NEW GRYPHON EXPANSION!, Sunstalker Expansion Reprint (that i forgot to post!), Lonely Tree Expansion, 2 x 1.5 Core Game Reveals & a New Pinup!








*Yes, we will fix the card with the wrong name and hook up anyone that needs it!

Been waiting to see the Gryphon expansion. Glad to see it also includes an alternate campaign.

Yeah, sounded like it would be even before. It's tempting, though a bit pricey.

Wow. What an expansion. Whole new campaign, great-looking armor, and the big boy himself, who looks to be massive. Seems fair to me that it's priced similarly to the dragon.

Yeah I'm back in with a twin satan, my will is weak...

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, Albino Squirrel, did you want to part with yours?


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Want to split the entire GC 50/50, you get the rules, I get the minis?

Isn't that more like 10/90?

I know there are some people who really value the rules and don't care for the miniatures, but I doubt they'd be willing to pay 90%.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
BobtheInquisitor: I'll need to wait and see what ends up in the Gambler's Chest. I may not even get it. If I do, there may be a few models I actually want. I'm not going to pay $50 plus shipping just for the rules "half" of it. I think the models are much more than 50% of the content.

Well, I'm certainly open to counter offers. Really, I only care about a few of the minis in the GC, or I'd just buy the thing myself.


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Man, I really want the supasaiyajin, but I really want the griffon. I'm not looking forward to the tournament-style Sophie's Choice I'll have to make in January.

There's always the pledge manager at least.

A little less of a Sophie's Choice in that case.

I feel like I'm the only person who isn't really loving the artist's style who is doing all the new armor concepts.

I know they're just design work, but I really preferred the style of the artist who did most of the original campaign's art.

Probably just the manga nerd in me creeping out.

I too love the new artist he is much better at showing how armour looks.

The pledge manager is a bit nebulous at the moment so better prepare to front-load your pledge in case.

Awesome video review by Shut up and sit down. It actually got me to decide to cancel my pledge. He's very measured and fair, but unaffected by the hype that had overwhelmed me. I realize now I can't really justify spending $300+ on a board game, especially one that I would have to spend an extraordinary amount of time on when I have a kid and tons of other games I want to play. It's just a game after all. Anyway, watch the whole thing, it's really good.

https://www.shutupandsitdown.com/review-kingdom-death-monster/

I love the Gryphon, this is shaping up to be a very expensive campaign. Speaking of which, are any of the larger pledge bundles anywhere near to being "worth it" yet?

PsychoticStorm wrote:

The pledge manager is a bit nebulous at the moment so better prepare to front-load your pledge in case.

I don't understand, could you elaborate?

Adam hasn't officially confirmed there will be any option to add cash post KS (even through it does seem unlikely there won't be at least one)

so not putting in as much as you can during the KS is a risk even if it's probably a small one

as to whether any of the levels are worth it this spreadsheet should tell you (if you figure it out which I can't at first glance.... but it does have all the KS prices and MRSP in one place so you make your own judgement with a calculator)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yongANgzTydc244aWDJyFoHhTBDBKWpGuF6CtlN6jEc/edit#gid=0

 Mymearan wrote:
Awesome video review by Shut up and sit down. It actually got me to decide to cancel my pledge. He's very measured and fair, but unaffected by the hype that had overwhelmed me. I realize now I can't really justify spending $300+ on a board game, especially one that I would have to spend an extraordinary amount of time on when I have a kid and tons of other games I want to play. It's just a game after all. Anyway, watch the whole thing, it's really good.

https://www.shutupandsitdown.com/review-kingdom-death-monster/

Eh, the minute "vulgar" art direction comes up, I feel like I can't be bothered to take a reviewer too seriously.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Awesome video review by Shut up and sit down. It actually got me to decide to cancel my pledge. He's very measured and fair, but unaffected by the hype that had overwhelmed me. I realize now I can't really justify spending $300+ on a board game, especially one that I would have to spend an extraordinary amount of time on when I have a kid and tons of other games I want to play. It's just a game after all. Anyway, watch the whole thing, it's really good.

https://www.shutupandsitdown.com/review-kingdom-death-monster/

Eh, the minute "vulgar" art direction comes up, I feel like I can't be bothered to take a reviewer too seriously.

That's a mistake on your part then. what he's saying isn't untrue in any way, and i think most people would describe it the same way upon seeing it. Obviously everyone is free to like or dislike the art direction.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Adam hasn't officially confirmed there will be any option to add cash post KS (even through it does seem unlikely there won't be at least one)

so not putting in as much as you can during the KS is a risk even if it's probably a small one

as to whether any of the levels are worth it this spreadsheet should tell you (if you figure it out which I can't at first glance.... but it does have all the KS prices and MRSP in one place so you make your own judgement with a calculator)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yongANgzTydc244aWDJyFoHhTBDBKWpGuF6CtlN6jEc/edit#gid=0

Thanks, that spreadsheet is very useful.

Sounds to me like Poots just wants people to put up as much money up front as possible; there's no way that he won't allow extra purchases via the pledge manager.

Yeah, for starts, the shipping prices are estimates, and at the point where you've set up the infrastructure for adding to the cost, you might as well add the option to buy more stuff.

Re: vulgar, I think it's completely part of the game, and worth addressing. Haven't watched the video, but, yeah, as long as they're not ridiculous/judgey about it, no harm in telling the truth.

I watched the video, pretty much agreed with every word, but I'm not ashamed of liking tits, death & monsters.

The horrendous book keeping and random nature of the game don't do it any favours though.

I've been tracking my level, the Gambler 2nd Face, and it's into the black as of this update (versus getting everything in it as a la carte add-ons).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_JosfpxSh64dx42p6hBFM7kzBmg9dXi1X1m0KjlgHHY

 Mymearan wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Awesome video review by Shut up and sit down. It actually got me to decide to cancel my pledge. He's very measured and fair, but unaffected by the hype that had overwhelmed me. I realize now I can't really justify spending $300+ on a board game, especially one that I would have to spend an extraordinary amount of time on when I have a kid and tons of other games I want to play. It's just a game after all. Anyway, watch the whole thing, it's really good.

https://www.shutupandsitdown.com/review-kingdom-death-monster/

Eh, the minute "vulgar" art direction comes up, I feel like I can't be bothered to take a reviewer too seriously.

That's a mistake on your part then. what he's saying isn't untrue in any way, and i think most people would describe it the same way upon seeing it. Obviously everyone is free to like or dislike the art direction.

Which, in fairness, is a mistake on "most people's" part; art almost always demands you go beyond your visceral reaction to a work to think about said reaction. The genre is body horror, and that's a spectrum with deformed, grotesque monsters on one end and hyper-idealized (and thus equally grotesque in many regards) on the other. However, certainly not unreasonable to mention the most obvious thing that jumps out about the motif. That the correct genre is never mentioned is probably the only thing I really find unfair in the video.

As a review of the game itself, I found it to be mostly reasonable in its criticisms of the game. The one slight oversight is with the hunt phase with the random hunt cards that all say roll on the random hunt event table. It was obviously designed to be more modular for a future mechanic to utilize or add additional tables to in later expansions. I wouldn't expect a normal person to see that potential, but SU&SD has seen more than their share of games to pick up on design cues. Thus far, very little really leverages the modularity so it's mostly wasted potential and thus fair game for critique, but to say it makes "no sense" isn't exactly true either.

Their broader points that it's a big game, with tons of stuff, lots of record-keeping and the potential for a certain amount of drudgery in the early phases of any given campaign are certainly things people should be aware of before sinking in the money. There is also, as you said, a massive amount of time you need to enjoy the game fully and time is a zero-sum game. Time spent on A is time that cannot be spent on B.

Are you saying KD does, or doesn't achieve art? Because I'm a fairly big horror buff, but don't see all that much more than an aesthetic here.

KD is absolutely art. Something as simple as the pinup Fade, and accompanying event card is powerful as hell. The notion that...

1. A society may opt to condemn an infant for an urgently needed mechanical advantage, or make the harder choice is conveyed by a cool, single-card event/choice.

2. The model conveys body horror, and a world with different norms about sexuality, nudity, etc... all while being empowering showing a woman with a non-size 0 body-type being powerfully maternal (shielding an infant with her forearm), while also being a warrior.

KD isn't even enough credit by people quick to condemn it for, "lol dick butts"...

KD as a whole is absolutely art in my opinion. There is a depiction of story in nearly every piece of artwork, and even the miniatures often convey a story.

The female Twilight Knight was an early favorite of mine not because "hurr hurr tits!" but because of the entire piece itself. A woman, comfortably leaning against her weapon where she's clearly at ease with an implement of death (as a sword exists for no other purpose than to kill). She's not a damsel in distress and she's not awkwardly attempting to look intimidating but it's a casual familiarity with an oft-used tool like I would have with my computer at work or my car. And in the artwork that accompanies it there is just such an expression of resigned weariness; that whatever she just finished doing is the latest in a long chain of similar events that she can see stretching out before her until her untimely demise. It's bleak, disheartening and likely I would quail in her situation with the futility of it all, but there's no sign of weakness or fear in her expression. She knows her role in this nightmare, and she's going to see it through to the end. There's tragic beauty in that, and it's done so simply.

Obviously, as mentioned in the opening line a great deal of the interpretation of art depends on the beholder so it's inherently subjective, as is any definition of "what is art?" but I do feel...saddened? when people only engage with something at the most cursory of levels. KD's work has numerous layers, even if some of them are more readily apparent than others.

 Krinsath wrote:
KD as a whole is absolutely art in my opinion. There is a depiction of story in nearly every piece of artwork, and even the miniatures often convey a story.

The female Twilight Knight was an early favorite of mine not because "hurr hurr tits!" but because of the entire piece itself. A woman, comfortably leaning against her weapon where she's clearly at ease with an implement of death (as a sword exists for no other purpose than to kill). She's not a damsel in distress and she's not awkwardly attempting to look intimidating but it's a casual familiarity with an oft-used tool like I would have with my computer at work or my car. And in the artwork that accompanies it there is just such an expression of resigned weariness; that whatever she just finished doing is the latest in a long chain of similar events that she can see stretching out before her until her untimely demise. It's bleak, disheartening and likely I would quail in her situation with the futility of it all, but there's no sign of weakness or fear in her expression. She knows her role in this nightmare, and she's going to see it through to the end. There's tragic beauty in that, and it's done so simply.

Obviously, as mentioned in the opening line a great deal of the interpretation of art depends on the beholder so it's inherently subjective, as is any definition of "what is art?" but I do feel...saddened? when people only engage with something at the most cursory of levels. KD's work has numerous layers, even if some of them are more readily apparent than others.

People can see art in many different aspects of everyday life, individual perception is everything. Still, it seems unusual to me that you would feel saddened by people not having the same deep(?) perspective as yourself. People are free to enjoy KD without seeing the "art" in it.

I'm reminded of that scene in the film American Beauty when the wind is blowing the plastic bag around in the street. It's just a plastic bag!

It seems clear to me that Poots read Berserk, played Demon's Souls and watched some hentai, then decided to make some figures and a board game.

I love Berserk and I love Demon's Souls so that's absolutely fine with me! I don't care much for hentai though!

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

People can see art in many different aspects of everyday life, individual perception is everything. Still, it seems unusual to me that you would feel saddened by people not having the same deep(?) perspective as yourself. People are free to enjoy KD without seeing the "art" in it.

I'm reminded of that scene in the film American Beauty when the wind is blowing the plastic bag around in the street. It's just a plastic bag!

It seems clear to me that Poots read Berserk, played Demon's Souls and watched some hentai, then decided to make some figures and a board game.

I love Berserk and I love Demon's Souls so that's absolutely fine with me! I don't care much for hentai though!

It's not that I'm saddened by them not having a similarly deep perspective; it's when they look at something, make a snap judgement at a cursory level and then go no further. Sadness is an imprecise term there as well; it's very much akin to the feeling I have looking at the random hunt cards actually. That potential for their interpretation of the work and mine to be compared, that we could both learn something new, has been wasted. It's not an uncommon thing, and as you say everyone is free to do what they want with their own time and interests but it's no less unfortunate for how common it is.

By the same token, if someone wants to buy a gourmet meal and scarf it down as quickly as possible, or chug a bottle of fine wine, they are more than welcome to do so. It's just taking a little bit more time to examine things more closely could be hugely beneficial to the entire experience. If they're having the meal/wine to fulfill a basic need though (i.e. - food/drink/entertainment), I can understand why one would be more interested in that end of the equation than the exploration of the nuance offered. So too if someone is just buying KD to have a gaming experience, rather than using it as a vehicle for an exploration of the human psyche.

Fade is one of my favorite figures in the line (probably only teid with the fighter class pinup) for the very reasons NewTruthNeomaxim mentions. Powerful as hell.

I kind of wish the father and son narrative sculpt had gone with a similar pose with the two of them together as one figure. I'm debating about putting the father and son on separate bases so they can be running towards each other.

Maybe that way I can use the kid as an extra savior while I'm at it.