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Sooooooo should I bother following this thread anymore?

 Starfarer wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

RyanAvx wrote:
That head is nothing like a Centurion head.

It's identical to this one.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120101106_CenturionAssaultSquadNEW03.jpg

No, it isn't. The nu-marine doesn't have the stud on the forehead. His looks more like hair than an armor plate on top, and the earpieces are completely different. Faces are slightly different too.

False. If you look just above the left eye, you can see an irregular lump that is cast a shadow to the left from the light source on the right. It is the same head.

Close, and obviously a different angle, but I'm still not 100% convinced. Mouth looks wrong, the brow seems more pronounced on the nuMarine and the cheekbones possibly too, plus what I'm taking to be the service stud on the nuMarine appears placed differently in relation to the eye than the Centurion, and the real clincher is there's clearly more detail where the 'headphones' meet the cheek on the nuMarine.

This week they'll do various announcements, so we may know about them.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Close, and obviously a different angle, but I'm still not 100% convinced. Mouth looks wrong, the brow seems more pronounced on the nuMarine and the cheekbones possibly too, and the real clincher is there's clearly more detail where the 'headphones' meet the cheek on the nuMarine.

The mohawk thingy looks more rounded.

That's true too, but I'd be willing to concede that's a relatively elementary thing to alter.

one thought that occured to me, if this was a conversion bits could have been made via a 3d printer. In the world of 3D printing, just because we can't identify all the bits doesn't mean much, are there any unidentified peices that are too detailed to have been possiably spat out by a 3D printer?

Aight, I'm gonna weigh in here... This is a pretty nutty thing here because there are some clear indicators of a conversion, and then there are some parts I can't explain... Anyways, here we go -

First, levels manipulation on the image, and one thing becomes very apparent - The greaves, and possibly the gorget and scanner pad thingie are procreate, completely different color than the plastic. It looks like possibly part of the boltgun may be procreate too, which would make sense (more on that later) -



Next up, the hands... the hands are a pretty drastically different size. The gun holding hand looks like an first gen current marine tac arm to me, relatively small hands. Then the bolt-pistol thingie hand, much larger if you extrapolate the area of the back hand plate.

On top of this, the gorget, as I indicated previously may be pro-create, the detail and shape are just too soft, and considering the skill GW has put into plastics of late... it is suspect.



The bolt rifle is also suspect to me, both for possibly having procreate on it, and also the fact that certain things just don't line up properly, as you can see on the blue line/yellow circle, the back end of it is a few degrees off level. That and the gribble jumble in the middle tell me this may be a slap together bits-bolter.

I am fairly certain looking closely at it that the right arm is from a stock tac marine, the backpack looks like any old backpack to me, as do the shoulder pads. I really, really can't imagine that GW would not add more detail and update the designs, those items are unimaginably plain by their current standards. Sit that dude next to a custodes, or a DW MK8 , or a sigmarine etc and you will have trouble saying it is 'state of the art'.

The head is definitely not the same head as the one being shown as a possibility here.... There are certainly similarities but if it is that head, it has been procreate gs'd a bit, will talk about that in a second.

The parts I have trouble explaining, are the feet (termi feet?), the kneepads (possibly trimmed from a Sigmarine?), the pistol and the chest. The chest is not one smooth arc/plastron, as normal. Instead it has hard lines delineating the sides of the pecs, which is non-standard PA. There is also a rib shaped structure underneath which is also a deviation from any stock part I can think of. Though, like the gorget, the rib area is also noticeably softly detailed and is once again likely a procreate sculpted area. Ditto for the arm-pad, soft, slightly out of place design to me.

The knee pads are hard to explain, as the detail looks sharp enough, don't think they are procreate, some people can do it but judging by the gorget and arm pad the owner is not skilled enough to get that sharp a line yet. The pistol I have no idea, the design seems odd but it does bear some Goodwin hallmarks in places, and is devoid of it in others. Parts of it almost look like upside down bits from the marine line...




Back to the head, note the details around the ear gadgetry, there is a lot more little details in the nu-marine pick, though otherwise, quite similar. But the ears are a giveaway that if it is the same head, not unmodified.



Oh, and that damn belt buckle... I can't believe they would leave it identical lol...


All in all, there is just a lack of cohesive design here, the style of the knees and legs just don't match up to anything, while the shoulder pads and backpack are inexplicably old-school to the point of being... well old-school pieces. For all these details though... there is definitely procreate on those greaves, and that alone should decide it for us.

Other than being TS, there is nothing stand-out or particularly new about this design. I really, really doubt GW would be making this their new flagship line. It is almost an insult to their work of the past year or two to even countenance the idea. Plain, disjointed, no real detail or bits or advancement, soft details in spots, sharp in others...

MajorTom11 judges this one: Conversion/Fake.

The expression on the (supposed) centurions face looks more like tue centurion with the targeter/ bionic replacement on his right eye.

Because the left side is facing us perhaps its obscuring the bionics?

Or GW just used that cad file as the head base?

Why "nu-marine" and not just "new marine"?

Marines barring non codex compliant ones have always been simple in design. It's part of the draw to the beginner/ masses. "Hey, many I can paint that, it doesn't look too tough. " The head is the only part suspect for me but I feel anyone trying to scam this hard would have changed it significantly. Guess we will find out April 1st. No way a scammer would be able to contain his mirth tricking that many people past then without popping out and saying "gotcha"!

I've read a few pages of this now and while there are some similarities with some parts mentioned (especially the head) i don't know what to think of it now.

If it is a fake, one of the pieces that i'd assume would be relatively straightforward to identify is what style of armour the feet themselves are from, as there are only so many armour types. It's not any from the tactical box that i can see as it has an angled armoured part covering part of the foot, with it all blending together. So far i've been unable to find anything with feet that resemble that.

 Ahtman wrote:
Why "nu-marine" and not just "new marine".

Milennial jab. Google it. Just not at work.

 Ahtman wrote:
Why "nu-marine" and not just "new marine".

Urban Dictionary wrote:Alt spelling of new.

On the internet it became a meme when it was attached to a specific genre of music, i.e. nu metal. Nu, in it's more specialized meaning, denotes the re-envisioning of some art (music, film, fiction, etc.) with specific attention to pop-culture references and image as part of the creative process and the whole package.

That head's definitely very similar. But not the same I feel. There's just barely enough differences that I don't think it's because of jpeg compression and the like, especially when using n0t_u's sharpened image.

You know it's real when Major Tom gets involved. All optimism aside, the varying shades of plastic throw it for me, and if this is truly a GW sculpt, they're gettin lazy and reusing parts from SE and the like.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
The chest is not one smooth arc/plastron, as normal. Instead it has hard lines delineating the sides of the pecs, which is non-standard PA. There is also a rib shaped structure underneath which is also a deviation from any stock part I can think of. Though, like the gorget, the rib area is also noticeably softly detailed and is once again likely a procreate sculpted area.

The torso is a noticeably different shade of grey to the belt buckle and the Imperialis on his chest... and matches the grey of the shins. So possibly a procreate torso with a plastic Imperialis stuck on the front.

As an added detail, it doesn't look from that pick like the gorget and the ribbing by the kidneys would be castable... Having said that, there were parts on the Deathwatch models that I didn't think looked castable in plastic as well, and clearly they were. Pictures (particularly grainy ones) can be somewhat misleading there...

I still think it's a conversion, but I'm kinda on the fence.

The strange part is the way it's presented. Why are those models, and of all things an ancient Last Chancer, in the photo with him.

 Orock wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Why "nu-marine" and not just "new marine".

Milennial jab. Google it. Just not at work.

Maybe because Nu-metal?

I am not sure just wait and see i guess

What is procreate?

 ImAGeek wrote:
What is procreate?

It's how we make more people.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why are those models, and of all things an ancient Last Chancer, in the photo with him.

A Last Chancer with a Demo charge to be exact. What other reason than to imply that it's your last chance to enjoy the hobby, because they're going to blow it up?

/s

 ImAGeek wrote:
What is procreate?

It's a brand of sculpting putty that artists use. Much better than green stuff, it holds detail better and is harder in the end from my understanding.

 Azreal13 wrote:
You're making a fundamental assumption that the phone used is modern, of reasonable spec, and being used by someone with a reasonable knowledge of its function. None of these is a certainty.

Yes but thing is in several years NOT SINGLE LEAKER has phone bought within 5 years and knows to keep hands still for second?

It's not just this photo. It's string of photos last year. Seems like nobody who gets to see stuff in advance a) has phone bought within 5 years b) knows basic usage of phone camera(like ability to take multiple photos in a row or DON'T USE ZOOM!) and c) can't hold hand still for a second.

Just hard to believe that dozens of photos all happen like that. One yes but this is repeative pattern. Much more belieavable these are deliberately blurrified. Quite possibly by GW.

Small detail though, that "R" next to the signal bar indicates that when that screenshot was taken, the phone wasn't using its native network and was roaming.

Irrelevant for the photo quality though.


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 alleus wrote:
True enough. I like it though, and I hope it's real. When I first heard the rumour for these "new marines" I imagined super pimped out, bling-bling-gold-everywhere marines. This guy is very simplistic and clean.

Me too. Was pleasantly surprised and if fluffwise they weren't so locked out of our games I could see myself buying those if price isn't too bad. Maybe I can figure some other way than new uber marines to use them. Not big enough to be true scale marines so guess they could work just as alternative version of basic marines.

That's though biggest thing speaking against it being real. It's so drastic departure from recent GW style. Of course it's possible they just suddenly decided to change style or it's jut the new marines(but that would be odd). Hoping it's future trend though. Give me new IG in similar clean style please!

As I said earlier, I think it looks like a conversion, the weird thing is not being able to find the parts that match and saying large parts of it was made from procreate is still weird because the quality of the sculpting does not match the quality of the model as a whole.

Someone who has that much skill with procreate usually has more artistic talent than to use it on such a mediocre Marine in an awkward and boring pose. It just seems odd someone with so much skill sculpting would spend the time making a marine that just looks like a kitbash.

tneva82 wrote:
Yes but thing is in several years NOT SINGLE LEAKER has phone bought within 5 years and knows to keep hands still for second?

Or they know and were just paying more attention to not being seen than taking a photo worthy of posting in Dakka gallery (which, as been pointed out, contains tons of photos of similar quality to leak photos ).

Seriously why are we still talking about this

Small detail though, that "R" next to the signal bar indicates that when that screenshot was taken, the phone wasn't using its native network and was roaming.

Irrelevant for the photo quality though.

I believe the implication is the person who took the photo was on roaming, thus travelling at the time (at least that's how I understand what Az meant).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still think it's a conversion, but I'm kinda on the fence.

The strange part is the way it's presented. Why are those models, and of all things an ancient Last Chancer, in the photo with him.

Because if someone's intending to troll the fanbase into thinking they have an exclusive leak pic of a "truescale" sized Marine, putting it next to ancient metal models that are noticably smaller than modern GW humans helps?

I dunno, maybe it is real, but I really really hope not as it's pretty naff.

Did we get a scale comparison shot for the Demo Bloke compared to modern GW?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I believe the implication is the person who took the photo was on roaming, thus travelling at the time (at least that's how I understand what Az meant).

Which matters how? Since the screenshot is not neccessarily even from same phone seeing it was taken in phone, moved to computer, edited and later put/sent to phone from which screenshot is taken. Not neccessarily even same persons. Could be email attachment to friend in different country.

Why on earth would you think that something that blatantly has nothing to do with the image quality has anything to do with the image quality?

It was merely an observation, I'd have thought it would be pretty obvious I wasn't making any claims that it affected image quality, largely by the fact that I didn't make any.

Dakka has issues with reading comprehension at times.