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They also said previously that passengers in open top transports can shoot pistols into combat if the vehicle is fighting

Now, as for modeling, I may just convert an Ork boy holding a giant rock!

Deffrollas are back! I wonder if you need to decide between deff rolla and wreckin' ball if you have both, or if you can turn your battlewagons into close combat monstrosities.

Also, for some less obvious news: Open topped confirmed to be 4+ armor save. The barge is currently open topped and the first vehicle we see without 3+ save.

Oh, by the way, you can now lock leman russes, wave serpents and predators in combat with a trukks (and buggies!) and prevent them from shooting that way

I'm absolutely ecstatic after seeing the vehicle teaser for today. This will truly be the "Drive me closer, I want to hit them with my sword!" edition. Or in our case, hit them with our choppas!

I could see Deffrolla hits doing multiple wounds, maybe something like S10 AP:-2 Damage: D3.

Then for the wreckin' ball, it'd be S9 AP: -1 , Damage 2.

The question is if the reinforced ram will just be a weapon profile, or something that buffs our strength or to hit rolls?

So pistols can be used by embarked units when a vehicle charges? Feels like that could lead to some interesting tactics depending on how embarked units act when the vehicle is destroyed. Could be cool to forgo the disembark / charge phase all together and just ram your boys straight into the fight.

Melee vehicles presents some interesting options for orks, I hope there will be viable melee upgrades for vehicles (fix Deff rolla!).

 Jidmah wrote:
Deffrollas are back! I wonder if you need to decide between deff rolla and wreckin' ball if you have both, or if you can turn your battlewagons into close combat monstrosities.

Also, for some less obvious news: Open topped confirmed to be 4+ armor save. The barge is currently open topped and the first vehicle we see without 3+ save.

I would probably hold off on confirming open-topped having a straight 4+ armor save, I imagine there may well be some variance in that. It would make a fair bit of sense, but I'm not so certain.

However, I am absolutely looking forward to grabbin' klaws, wreckin' balls, and deffrollas to not be useless. Though, that too is unconfirmed, but I imagine it's a fair bet that they'll be more useful than they are now.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Deffrollas are back! I wonder if you need to decide between deff rolla and wreckin' ball if you have both, or if you can turn your battlewagons into close combat monstrosities.

Also, for some less obvious news: Open topped confirmed to be 4+ armor save. The barge is currently open topped and the first vehicle we see without 3+ save.

I would probably hold off on confirming open-topped having a straight 4+ armor save, I imagine there may well be some variance in that. It would make a fair bit of sense, but I'm not so certain.

However, I am absolutely looking forward to grabbin' klaws, wreckin' balls, and deffrollas to not be useless. Though, that too is unconfirmed, but I imagine it's a fair bet that they'll be more useful than they are now.

Though if that is the case, then the 'ard case upgrade (if it still exists) would actually make sense if changing from an OT transport to a normal transport gave us a +1 to armour save. Then again, maybe that's what armour plates/extra armour does instead. Ah, the possibilities!

If an anni barge is t6, that probably means trucks are t5...so they still die pretty quick. I was hoping they would be a little tougher.

QA session just alluded to everything being much quicker up the board that in prior edditions; and for stormboys in particular being much faster than they've ever been before.

 JohnU wrote:
They also said previously that passengers in open top transports can shoot pistols into combat if the vehicle is fighting

Yeah, Slugga boyz in a trukk.

Consolidate into combat is back. Wasn't expecting that.

So...

PK Nobz can't be challenged anymore, can die last, strike first, 4+ to hit (like most of the time now), probably 2+ to wound against MEQ, probably AP-3, probably D6 damage...

Pretty nice!

 JimOnMars wrote:
If an anni barge is t6, that probably means trucks are t5...so they still die pretty quick. I was hoping they would be a little tougher.

It's got 8 wounds though, so a trukk could have quite a few as well, and no chance of explosies - that's a HUGE boost in durability if you ask me! Not just to the trukk but the boyz inside...

Charging with vehicles sounds good, wrecking balls might not be so stupid now. On the other hand, -1 to hit with kill kannons hurts a bit.

 JohnU wrote:
Consolidate into combat is back. Wasn't expecting that.

This.

THIS.

THIS.

If consolidation into combat works like it used to, we may want to avoid the pile-in charge so that we can consolidate it instead. If we pile in, they can hit and run, get out and (if Tau) shoot. If we wait until consolidation, we won't get to charge that secondary unit but they can't fall back, and then the boyz are still locked.


Edit: If we actually get to consolidate new combats, I don't think Orks are going to get points decreases for anything, or for only a few units. Imagine 5 point boyz mobs 20 strong riding in an battlewagon for 180 points total..200 even with the power klaw. The boyz will never get shot as they consolidate into combat after combat. 200 points is probably waaay to cheap for that.

OK so if trukks with a wrecking ball filled with slugga boys gets into melee, pistols can fire withon it's range even if unit is in melee and Boyz can charge out of transport...consolidate into combat...I'm getting dizzy...oh yeah nob with pk hotting first on charge...*feints*

Let the tau overwatch.

Go ahead.

MAKE MY DAY.

What ork units do you think will most likely suck in 8th edition?

 JimOnMars wrote:
If an anni barge is t6, that probably means trucks are t5...so they still die pretty quick. I was hoping they would be a little tougher.

The difference between t5 and t6 is not what it used to be. Lazcannons, autocannons and meltaguns still wound on 3+. Bolters still wound on 5+. The difference is only with s3, s5, s6 and s10 weapons. Of which s3 and s5-6 might be pretty significant as it would take lazguns twice as many shots to do a wound to t6 than to t5. Heavy bolters and asscannons with scat lasers will do a bit more damage to trukks. That's reasonable.

Anywayz, i'm kinda happy i got 4 trukks at the end of 7-th. Might need a battlewagon or a gun wagon. However, with vehicles becoming somewhat tougher, able to eat overwatch(?) and even tarpit something in mellee, i'd suspect them to go up in price. Which is a good thing, really. Cause i'd love to have reasons to run footsloggers.


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orknado wrote:
What ork units do you think will most likely suck in 8th edition?

Let's hope that none. If i have to pick, than it's flash gitz. They're just a concept that doesn't work. Expensive dudes with mellee stats, low bs, without armor and...with expensive ranged guns. What they need to become is another sort of lootas. Means cheaper with more anti-infantry guns. And get access to 'eavy armor.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Deffrollas are back! I wonder if you need to decide between deff rolla and wreckin' ball if you have both, or if you can turn your battlewagons into close combat monstrosities.

Also, for some less obvious news: Open topped confirmed to be 4+ armor save. The barge is currently open topped and the first vehicle we see without 3+ save.

I would probably hold off on confirming open-topped having a straight 4+ armor save, I imagine there may well be some variance in that. It would make a fair bit of sense, but I'm not so certain.

However, I am absolutely looking forward to grabbin' klaws, wreckin' balls, and deffrollas to not be useless. Though, that too is unconfirmed, but I imagine it's a fair bet that they'll be more useful than they are now.

They have been pretty consistent in translating stats and special rules to the new system though. I'd be very surprised if open topped would work different on ork transports.

For vehicle toughness, take average of front+side minus 5.
For weapon AP, it's basically the old AP value minus 5, and an additional -1 for rending or lance.
Templates are d6 automatic hits, small blasts are d3 hits and large blasts are d6 hits.
Ordnance weapons become d3 damage, tank hunter weapons d6.

From this you can guess that a killa kan will most likely be T6 and a grotzooka S6 2d3 hits with no AP.
The kustom mega kannon will probably be heavy d3 S8 AP -3, and so on.

At this point, the only thing hard to guess about vehicles and ranged weapons is the amount of wounds vehicles have.

Something just as important as consolidation into combat:
Casualties are removed by owner's choice confirmed!

It will be a lot harder to fail charges due to overwatch now. Also no more special weapon sniping.

I also just noticed that I no longer need MANz missiles. I can just put 3 Units of 3 plus a MA warboss in a single battlwagon - and I shall call it MANz nuke.

YES YES YES THE MANZ NUKES!
Im thinking multiple BW's with 3xMANz, 5xburna boyz and 12x boyz squad....

boyz for all occasions
IS there any word on whether we can shoot out of OT vehicles? other than pistols into combat charges?

I hope that MANz and MA warboss can advance in 8th edition.

 Jidmah wrote:


tank hunter weapons d6.

A great gift for our beloved tankbustas, I guess we will see larger groups in BWs instead of the usually min squads in trukks. Bomb squigs can become even more useful than now.

Ashkayel wrote:
So...

PK Nobz can't be challenged anymore, can die last, strike first, 4+ to hit (like most of the time now), probably 2+ to wound against MEQ, probably AP-3, probably D6 damage...

Pretty nice!

Maybe even 3+ to hit as SM profiles now seem to have a 3+ to hit instead of their previous WS4 which was the same of orks.

Big fan of "fw will also get rules" maybe the gargantuan squiggoth will be good, yeah, mine stay in gw shelves, I will take it out

 Blackie wrote:
Maybe even 3+ to hit as SM profiles now seem to have a 3+ to hit instead of their previous WS4 which was the same of orks.

The last Q&A confirmed that PKs reduce to hit roll by one, so you are both right

 Jidmah wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
Maybe even 3+ to hit as SM profiles now seem to have a 3+ to hit instead of their previous WS4 which was the same of orks.

The last Q&A confirmed that PKs reduce to hit roll by one, so you are both right

Which makes sense, unwieldy weapons should be penalized in some way now that initiative 1 is gone.

Solar Shock wrote:
YES YES YES THE MANZ NUKES!
Im thinking multiple BW's with 3xMANz, 5xburna boyz and 12x boyz squad....

boyz for all occasions
IS there any word on whether we can shoot out of OT vehicles? other than pistols into combat charges?

The mixed unit transports rule is a big buff for BWs. Roll up, killy guys(or possibly the wagon itself) clears the objective, Boys or grots stroll out and hold it.

Do you think the Deffrolla will become good again now that vehicles can fight in CC? Being useless for one edition was far too long for me.

 Blackie wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
Maybe even 3+ to hit as SM profiles now seem to have a 3+ to hit instead of their previous WS4 which was the same of orks.

The last Q&A confirmed that PKs reduce to hit roll by one, so you are both right

Which makes sense, unwieldy weapons should be penalized in some way now that initiative 1 is gone.

Yep, for sure. Now the statistical comparison between a slugga/choppa nob, a BC nob and a PK nob will be more accurate. And maybe we'll get even more weapon options!

Since there is stuff hitting on 6+ in close combat, I wonder if some units will hit on 2+. A Solitaire, for example. A Warboss will probably just hit on 3+, tho.