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I was looking through the new FAQ updates on the GW site, and when I read something I was surprised to see this change;

Page 96 – Infantry Platoon, second sentence
Change to “Each Infantry Platoon is deployed in place
of a single unit in missions that limit the number units
that can be deployed. In addition when making a
reserve or outflanking roll, roll once for the whole
Infantry Platoon. Any units in reserve that are
embarked upon a non-dedicated transport are instead
rolled for separately.”

For dawn of war where we are limited to two units of troops and a single HQ, does this mean that the IG are now able to field a platoon as one of their units, meaning if we put a massive platoon together consisting of a PCS, 5 PIS, 6 HWT, and anything else, is that all one unit for dawn of war scenarios?

Yes, it means in DoW you could put out 2 full Infantry platoons as your 2 troop units.

I wonder if this was a desperate attempt to get people to buy more Infantry?

I can see this being really useful if chimeras are allowed too. Searchlights may be a bit more useful in DoW.

Chimeras are part of the Platoon, so yes they are allowed

nosferatu1001 wrote:Chimeras are part of the Platoon, so yes they are allowed

I wasn't even going to go with that one, since it would have been my impression that it works as the transports do for DOW, but I really can see this being how it's supposed to be played too.

They state the ENTIRE platoon is one unit for deployment, so thats the ENTIRE unit, vehicles included

Entirely nuts

Heck, I play IG and I think it's nuts as well.

I'm going to have fun next time DoW comes up. Usually foot Guard are hurt by that deployment. Revenge shall be fun.

Gonna enjoy DoWing with 6 chimera spotlights and 30 lascannons fielded.

Actually, I think that chimeras would still count as a separate unit. The platoon would count as a single unit for deployment, like any unit other armies can deploy. However, chimeras are still dedicated transports selected for that unit and would still have to follow the dedicated transport rules.

The chimeras are not part of the "platoon composition" at the top of page 96. they are dedicated transports selected for the platoon.

So are you saying taht any empty chimeras in Rahems platoon do not have to outflank?
Are you saying that any empty chimeras in reserves do not arrive with the rest of the platoon on a single die rill for reserves?
I'll disagree. the Chimeras are dedicated transports belonging to the platoon and empty or not, they are part of the platoon. They are considered to be the same Force Org type as the unit they are bought for (ie Troops in this case) and are part of the same Force Org slot (ie the IG Platoon).

You are probably right don_mondo. I thought it would be a little unfair and game breaking but there doesn't seem to be a rule against it.

I'm just glad it's only Infantry platoons that got this change. My buddy, generally fields a full-out Command Platoon, and 2 Infantry Platoons, which would be quite a bit in DoW...

Happyjew wrote:My buddy, generally fields a full-out Command Platoon...

Command platoons don't exist any more. Do you mean the one with heavy weapon squads and sentinels? That is from the previous codex.

Trickstick wrote:I'm going to have fun next time DoW comes up. Usually foot Guard are hurt by that deployment. Revenge shall be fun.

Not as helpful as you'd think. You're probably going to deploy pretty far back anyway. Only real downside is not being able to fire heavy weapons turn 1.

Why would I deploy far back? I am thinking of deploying on the half way line and running in to pound some face. The long range support can deploy in ruins and stuff to offer cover, while the heavy support rolls on turn one.

Good! More IG for my DP Marines and Dreads to shoot at!

Lobukia wrote:Good! More IG for my DP Marines and Dreads to shoot at!

A word of warning. Most decent guard armies run at least one platoon, since you can put out chimera's (The real reason to take the platoon) cheaper than a veteran squad once you get passed the initial high cost. Having the extra chimeras (not to mention all those HWT) out there will not make the aftermath pleasant. You might kill 4 chimeras, the guard player gets a chuckle because you got less than half then comes a whole lot of laser pointers.. err lasguns.

Plus vets roll on with melta and plasma. Or plasma tanks, or whatever. Heck, even flamers/heavy flamers get nasty against those bunched up marines.

Back on topic, I like that they acknowledge it is a change. In the FAQ

Codex IG on dedicated transports pg 99: These vehicles do not use any force organization chart selections but otherwise function as separate units. No wall of chimeras in DoW then.

Try reading the platoon rules, and then the FAQ, and put the two together. Got there yet?

The FAQ CHANGED THE RULES, to make the ENTIRE platoon count as ONE unit for the point of deployment restricted missions.

If you disagree you are claiming the chimera is not part of the platoon. Good going with that.

Where does it say that in the composition of the platoon is 0-X chimeras? I see infantry squads, heavy weapons etc but no chimeras.

THey are bought for the units as dedicated transports. Making them part of the platoon

Again, are you seriously suggesting that the platoons dedicated transports are NOT part of the platoon? THink carefully befroe you answer

Part of the platoon is what is written in the codex to be part of the platoon. Adding models arbitrarily doesn't cut it. Chimeras are special only in the way codex dedicated transports in codex IG describes in pg99: These vehicles do not use any force organization chart selections but otherwise function as separate units.

So the only special thing about them is that they don't use FOC slots. Nothing else.

So, yet again you cannot answer a simple question?

Is a chimera, bought as a dedicated transport for an Infantry Squad, part of the Platoon?

Yes

or

No

If you are saying "no", then you are breaking rules. You do realise that, right?

Where does it say that "the chimera is part of the infantry squad"? pg number please

Separate units, same FOC choice and NOW according to the IG FAQ part of the same "unit" when deploying in missions that restrict deployments.

Can you answer the REALLY REALLY REALLY easy question, or not?

Keep making rules up...

If they are a separate unit from the infantry squad they are a separate unit from the platoon too. Read the codex pg 99.

Have read the codex

The best part of that is that youa re totally contradicting the FAQ you claim to have read.

FAQ wrote:Each Infantry Platoon is deployed in place of a single unit in missions that limit the number units that can be deployed. In addition when making a reserve or outflanking roll, roll once for the whole Infantry Platoon. Any units in reserve that are embarked upon a non-dedicated transport are instead rolled for separately.”

So, we can work out two things from this:

1) Dedicated Transports are part of the platoon
2) Non-dedicated transports are not

So, your answer was presumably "no", and you are still wrong

Keep going, your arguments just get better