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All the new Vehicle gear is covered in the Storm Trooper review thread on here linked a few pages back..

Man I hope blobs still exist and Snr Off. orders, they were the one I used mostly.........mostly

 BrookM wrote:
Looks like Penal Squads are gone.

Good spot, and a shame. I always wanted to try and make those guys useful at some point, and hoped the new 'dex would make that possible. I also can't help feeling sorry for those few guys with PL armies.

 Paradigm wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Looks like Penal Squads are gone.

Good spot, and a shame. I always wanted to try and make those guys useful at some point, and hoped the new 'dex would make that possible. I also can't help feeling sorry for those few guys with PL armies.

Just wait for the Penis Militarum supplemental codex!

 plastictrees wrote:
Any guesses on 'Fire Barrels'.
Logically it would be something to help you fight fires? So presumably it's actually a huge flaming barrel that you attach to your tank to deflect evil space ghosts?

Or help the Legion of the Damned find you

 Paradigm wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Looks like Penal Squads are gone.

Good spot, and a shame. I always wanted to try and make those guys useful at some point, and hoped the new 'dex would make that possible. I also can't help feeling sorry for those few guys with PL armies.

I want to say it's a good thing I held off on ordering them from Victoria Miniatures, but damn it, I really wanted to field one or two squads of orange jumpsuit clad scumbags.


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 plastictrees wrote:
Any guesses on 'Fire Barrels'.
Logically it would be something to help you fight fires? So presumably it's actually a huge flaming barrel that you attach to your tank to deflect evil space ghosts?

Maybe boxes of flechette rounds? That's what comes to mind when I first saw that piece of kit.

 plastictrees wrote:
One of the WD scans references Relic Plating. Looks like it gives you psychic protection.

Dead Cadians everywhere...

The "wall of martyrs" design plastered all over the Imperial wargear

plastictrees wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Looks like Penal Squads are gone.

Good spot, and a shame. I always wanted to try and make those guys useful at some point, and hoped the new 'dex would make that possible. I also can't help feeling sorry for those few guys with PL armies.

Just wait for the Penis Militarum supplemental codex!

This was hilarious... in a completely immature way that really shouldn't be funny. The worst part of it is, gIven GW's lack of proofing, I can actually see this happening.

BrookM wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Looks like Penal Squads are gone.

Good spot, and a shame. I always wanted to try and make those guys useful at some point, and hoped the new 'dex would make that possible. I also can't help feeling sorry for those few guys with PL armies.

I want to say it's a good thing I held off on ordering them from Victoria Miniatures, but damn it, I really wanted to field one or two squads of orange jumpsuit clad scumbags.

I suppose you could still run them as conscripts.

 Red__Thirst wrote:
Some of those upgrades on the Chimera in that image have me scratching my head. "Relic Plating"? "Recovery Gear"? "Fire Barrels"? ... Curious.

I do like seeing the Pintle Heavy Stubbers or Storm Bolters only costing 5 points. Also, Extra Armor is only 10 points also.

I'm not thrilled to see the Chimera get a 10 point increase for the basic tank, with no upgrades (At least in the current rules they have a searchlight built in.) Guess we'll see what's to come in a week or so.

Take it easy for now guys.

-Red__Thirst-

These are already available in the MT book.

IIRC...
Relic Plating = Adamantium Will
Recovery Gear = Can continue to try and fix an immobilised result each turn
Fire Barrels = First unit to assault the vehicle takes hits, D6 S4 AP5 I think...

Grrr grrr! Chimera increased by 10 points in a money grabbing move!


Grrrr grrr! GW is terrible at internal balance! The Chimera is far better!

If you guys are ready and willing - some leakage is going on right now on 4chan's /tg/. An italian dude is translating pages from the Italian AM Codex and is giving pics as proof. Orders and Warlord Traits already translated.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

Grrr grrr! Chimera increased by 10 points in a money grabbing move!


Grrrr grrr! GW is terrible at internal balance! The Chimera is far better!

So, how much Games Workshop stock do you own?

 MaCa wrote:
If you guys are ready and willing - some leakage is going on right now on 4chan's /tg/. An italian dude is translating pages from the Italian AM Codex and is giving pics as proof. Orders and Warlord Traits already translated.

Senior (translates as ancient, but that's my guess) Officers can confer ignore cover and tank/monster hunter with two orders as well as Get Back In the Fight!

Warlord traits:

D3+1 outflanking units
Preferred enemy against one Codex you're playing against on your Warlord and his unit
No 25% casualty tests on units within 12'' of the Warlord
Warlord and unit have relentless
Warlord can issue orders, if he already can his order range is 18''
Warlord can issue orders, if he already can he can issue an additional order

Those traits are frigging great.

Can we have something to celebrate instead of whine over, for the love of god?

 azreal13 wrote:


Fire Barrels = First unit to assault the vehicle takes hits, D6 S4 AP5 I think...

As inspired by the anti-carjacker device that became legal in Johannesburg many years ago? Basically a flamethrower should someone try and storm your motor at a red light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDrzMGdYWZc

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:

Grrr grrr! Chimera increased by 10 points in a money grabbing move!


Grrrr grrr! GW is terrible at internal balance! The Chimera is far better!

So, how much Games Workshop stock do you own?

I'm just tired of reading all the asinine pessimism in this thread

 Mr.Omega wrote:


Warlord traits:

D3+1 outflanking units
Preferred enemy against one Codex you're playing against on your Warlord and his unit
No 25% casualty tests on units within 12'' of the Warlord
Warlord and unit have relentless
Warlord can issue orders, if he already can his order range is 18''
Warlord can issue orders, if he already can he can issue an additional order

Those traits are frigging great.

I think these might be the greatest set of warlord traits we've seen so far (insomuch as being consistently good).

Those traits are awesome. I love the idea of 5 and 6 giving Commissars orders, and the outflanking one is great.

If one outflanker makes you a Tactical Genius, what does d3+1 make you? Super-Tactical-Ultra-Genius?

According to /tg/, Pask is still in.

C/P'd from there

>warlord trait ("old rancors", the second one)
>leman russ commander, can issue orders
>pask's tank can reroll to penetrate armours
>AND, depending on the veichle he's on
>when shooting with a heavy cannon,a heavy cannon vanquisher,a siege cannon demolisher or a nova cannon eradicator can reroll to hit
>has rending when uses an exterminator or a punisher
>executioner can use an alternative profile: 36" str7 ap2 heavy1,large blast,blind,gets hot

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
So I preordered my MT codex through the store and guess what.... the store got 1 taurox 2 boxes of scions and thats it...

WTF GW? Preorder means you know exactly how many you need and where....

Hey, at least you got some stuff; the local rep decided to go on a vacation and not inform the stores around here, so I have to wait until next week to get my Scions.

konst80hummel wrote:
A Chimera with smoke and searchlight would clock in at 71 points. Welcome back to the 4th edition Codex!!! 71 points... So much for cheaper units elsewere...
-Also 15 points Missile Launchers? That can't be real....

Well, missile launcher are 15 points already, so no change in points there...and +10 pts if you want flakk missiles with that.

From /TG/

Pask:

Second Warlord Trait by default (Preferred enemy)

Leman Russ Commander (can issue orders)

Re-roll attempts to penetrate armour

When shooting with heavy cannons, Vanquisher, Demolisher or Eradicator Nova cannons you can re-roll to hit

Has rending if he pilots a Punisher or Exterminator

Executioner can exchange 3 small blasts for one S7 AP2 large pie plate with blind


Edit: Ninja'd

Damn those Warlord traits look great!

I expected to lose the Penal legions though which is sad I a play Arbites and they are super fluffy. Hopefully the can add them in as a dataslate: Penis Militarum. The enemies of the Emperor will fear the size and power of my Penis Militarum as I thrust into their ranks with savage ferocity.

So Pask gets TL and BS4 on Vanquisher or Rending on Punisher... This just got amazing. The orders are just gravy.

A rending punisher with rerollable AP... I'm so game.

It's interesting to see that Pask's rules varies depending on what tank he uses. IIRC, the current IG rules for him aren't that complex.

But yeah, the rending punisher is going to mulch infantry, both heavy and light. The punisher is the Heavy 20 S5 one, right?

Pask has become a proper monster hunter!

>Bullgryns
>Elite
>2 Bullgryn e 1 bone head
>ws4 bs3 str5 t5 w3 I2 A3 lds6 as4+
>+1A e +1lds for the bone head
>145 P.ti
>up to 7 more Bullgryns for 45 ppm
>can replase the gauntlet and plate shield with a power maul and a brute shield for 15 ppm
>carapace armour, grenade launcher gauntlet, krak grenades, plates shield.
>hammer of wrath, relentless, very bulky.
>Chimera or Taurox cas transport

>Ogryns
>2 Ogryns and 1 bone head
>130 P.ti
>same stats but as5+.
>flak armour,krak grenades,ripper guns.
>same special rules
>up to 7 more Ogryns for 40 ppm
>Chimera o Taurox as transport

From /tg/

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 MaCa wrote:
If you guys are ready and willing - some leakage is going on right now on 4chan's /tg/. An italian dude is translating pages from the Italian AM Codex and is giving pics as proof. Orders and Warlord Traits already translated.

Senior (translates as ancient, but that's my guess) Officers can confer ignore cover and tank/monster hunter with two orders as well as Get Back In the Fight!

Warlord traits:

D3+1 outflanking units
Preferred enemy against one Codex you're playing against on your Warlord and his unit
No 25% casualty tests on units within 12'' of the Warlord
Warlord and unit have relentless
Warlord can issue orders, if he already can his order range is 18''
Warlord can issue orders, if he already can he can issue an additional order

Those traits are frigging great.

Can we have something to celebrate instead of whine over, for the love of god?

Oooooh, that would be great. GREAT. Itss too good to be true...and still...I believe, Neo... (because I want to have warlord with add order...or tactical megagenius...or...everything)

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
According to /tg/, Pask is still in.

C/P'd from there

>warlord trait ("old rancors", the second one)
>leman russ commander, can issue orders
>pask's tank can reroll to penetrate armours
>AND, depending on the veichle he's on
>when shooting with a heavy cannon,a heavy cannon vanquisher,a siege cannon demolisher or a nova cannon eradicator can reroll to hit
>has rending when uses an exterminator or a punisher
>executioner can use an alternative profile: 36" str7 ap2 heavy1,large blast,blind,gets hot

This can't be real. Rending on a punisher? Re-rolls everywhere?

The only thing from that list I'm willing to believe without visual evidence is Pask getting the preferred enemy warlord trait.

Tank HQ orders...

>tank commander has bs4
>roll 2d6, if 9 or less, can issue an order
>1-tank commander squadron move up to 6+d6 in the shooting phase
>2-tank commander shoots first, then rest of the squadron MUST shoot at a different target (that can't be the unit that came out of the transport destroyed by the tank commander)
>3-tank commander unit can use smokes after shooting

As squad Sgts can now have boltguns (again) I am tentatively hopeful that they will have finally been issued with lasguns after a decade of resorting to laregly pointless las pistol fire.

 MaCa wrote:
A rending punisher with rerollable AP... I'm so game.

He also re-rolls all to wound rolls of a 1 because of preferred enemy

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
According to /tg/, Pask is still in.

C/P'd from there

>warlord trait ("old rancors", the second one)
>leman russ commander, can issue orders
>pask's tank can reroll to penetrate armours
>AND, depending on the veichle he's on
>when shooting with a heavy cannon,a heavy cannon vanquisher,a siege cannon demolisher or a nova cannon eradicator can reroll to hit
>has rending when uses an exterminator or a punisher
>executioner can use an alternative profile: 36" str7 ap2 heavy1,large blast,blind,gets hot

This can't be real. Rending on a punisher? Re-rolls everywhere?

The only thing from that list I'm willing to believe without visual evidence from that list is Pask getting the preferred enemy warlord trait.

There's a screenshot on the site. In Italian.
It looks pretty legit.

Bad news

>Griffon, Medusa and Colossus have been eliminated.

>vendetta is really 170 p.ts and it can carry only 6 models.
>vendetta squadron
>170 Ppm
>can add 2 more
>transport 6 models only
>searchlight is no more an option
>heavy requiem (bolters) 20pts


>valkyrie squadron
>125 P.ti
>can add 2 more
>searchlight is no more an option
>lascannon 10 pts
>missiles cost 10pts
>heavy requiems (bolters) 20pts

>Ratlings
>30 Pts

pic is from i-tunes
riders are still in