Victrix 28mm plastic Greek Hoplites. Thebans Shipping

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**kenshin620**

Whew, looks like victrix is finally getting their stuff sorted out with the greek hoplites. They have an estimated release time of April/May for these guys. I hope it sticks, for the record we have seen development on the greeks since late 2010 and they were expected to come out soon after the Austrians.

Our Ancient Greek sets are being worked on at present and we thought we would give you a brief update and show off some images of these great figures.

We are looking at the first set being released around April/may. If all goes well the Athenian set could be out for Salute, but if not very shortly after. We are going to have a staggered release with the Greeks as it solves production problems. So it will be Athenians, Spartans, Thebans and then Mercenaries. With a 2 to 3 week gap between each set.

Each set will contain 48 figures with so many variations possible it is hard to count them all. Interchangeable heads with separate crests. Arm positions including thrusting, at rest and sword arms. We also have cloaks to add to figures and musician arms to make your command figures. The spears are cast separate to the hands so you can replace them with metal spears if you wish. However the plastic spears will be more flexible and less prone to breaking off than metal.

At present we are showing some positions possible with the Athenians, Spartans and Thebans. We will follow up with some more photos’ soon ( It takes Julian a long time to piece all the options together and photograph them, so he deserves a break for a week!)

Below are some images of the master resin castings. We hope you like them. We are really happy with the way they look and can’t wait for these to be released. We do have plans for more Greek and Ancient releases to follow these.

**Cortez667**

They look fantastic. I might pick up some just to paint them.

**lord marcus**

Do want.

**Zefig**

Those are looking great! Awesome, crisp details. Hope the production ones hold up.

**kenshin620**

Rise my thread!

Anyways looks like the april/may window is out the window (no surprise there) but the athenians are almost done and should be ready by 2/3 of june

Plastic Greeks are here at last!

Well, almost!

We have just received test sprues of the eagerly awaited Athenian Hoplites and have been busily sticking some units together to show them off. We could not be happier with the finished results and hope you agree with us that these are some of the finest plastic figures on the market. The detail is really sharp and crisp, and we must give a huge round of applause to the guys in the Tool room for the quality of work they have done.

The box contains 48 miniatures with thrusting and at rest arm positions, plus lots of extra options such as sword arms and speciality pieces to customize your figures, creating the huge variety of poses and character which people have come to expect from Victrix sets.

We are due to put the first Greek set ‘Athenian Armoured Hoplites’ on pre-order on 24thMay. Orders should start shipping around the 2nd/3rdof June.

The Spartans will follow the Athenian release about 2 weeks later, followed by the Thebans and the Mercenaries. Each set contains different heads and some extra parts options. All these sets will be able to be mixed together to add a massive amount of variety to your Hoplite armies.

We are hoping to receive test sprues of the next 3 sets in the next week. As soon as we have them we will be posting images on the site (we can’t wait to see those Spartans!)

Steve at LBMS is busily designing transfers for the models and they will be going up on the site early next week in time for the Athenians release.

**RiTides**

Wow, those look quite good!

They mention spartans being released 2 weeks after athenians... is it pretty much the same base, with different options? I.e. are those pictured here, too?

**kenshin620**

RiTides wrote:Wow, those look quite good!

They mention spartans being released 2 weeks after athenians... is it pretty much the same base, with different options? I.e. are those pictured here, too?

Yea, when it comes to these hoplites its mainly just head swaps and maybe a few other parts. Immortal (Warlord) Hoplites are quite similar. They have a basic hoplite sprue and then an add on sprue for ancient, classical, and spartan hoplites which includes unique heads, arms/weapons, accessories, and a body or two. Though with victrix i think they'll go with their Austrian route and have one sprue for each

I believe the middle pic in my original post are the spartans

kenshin620 wrote:

**Empchild**

Victrix have always been a steady seller for me, and I use them personally whenever the progect demands as they are fun to put together with not a lot of mould lines present. Biggest annoyance I found was that they often had holes where the moulding didn't reach but thats an easy fix. I'm glad to see they are expanding well beyond the Napoleonic range and I dare say I will have to start carry these as they look great.

**kenshin620**

The box covers for the other sets are also up

**djones520**

I really like these. I wonder how they compair to fantasy figures in size. I've always wanted to build a greek phalanx like army for Fantasy.

**spiraleddie**

Slightly unrelated but I am amazed to see on the box they represent the 5th to 3rd century bce, does that mean that there was no significant change to their equipment and technology for ~ 200 years? It certainly puts into perspective the rapid change we have seen in modern times.

**djones520**

spiraleddie wrote:Slightly unrelated but I am amazed to see on the box they represent the 5th to 3rd century bce, does that mean that there was no significant change to their equipment and technology for ~ 200 years? It certainly puts into perspective the rapid change we have seen in modern times.

Very little, at least as far as records we've been able to uncover have told. The biggest change in Hoplite gear really occured in Macedonia, where they began to use longer spears, and smaller shields. This allowed them to attack from further away, so as much armor wasn't necessary.

**kenshin620**

djones520 wrote:I really like these. I wonder how they compair to fantasy figures in size. I've always wanted to build a greek phalanx like army for Fantasy.

Well sorry to disappoint you but if these guys are in line with their Napoleonic cousins....

spiraleddie wrote:Slightly unrelated but I am amazed to see on the box they represent the 5th to 3rd century bce, does that mean that there was no significant change to their equipment and technology for ~ 200 years? It certainly puts into perspective the rapid change we have seen in modern times.

It all depends really. Historians would deem an area in history "the same" military wise via records of battle and armies (of what little records we can get). There may have been some changes but probably not too significant to absolutely change an entire army. Not to mention arms and armor would sometimes be hand me downs. "Changes" usually only happen if there is a significant change, mainly when it comes to an entirely different war or culture such as the difference between Peloponnesian War Greece and Alexandrian Greece

**djones520**

That doesn't seem to be to big of a disparity. I may still look into it.

**Empchild**

You have to remember that Bronze was the metal of the day, and the Macedonians "spears", as was so elegantly placed out of context, are Pikes for all purposes. Macedonia was actually the first to create the professional army instead of just citizens taking up arms and such. The one big thing though is Spartans were actually covered head to toe in bronze armor and though these are good the Gorgon ones done by Steve Saleh are actually more akin to how the armor really was represented (records wise). What they are wearing is more of a light armor that was seen more in Athens Corinth etc. Do remember that if you are going to build a greek army you will be painting more infantry then a orc army would dream of having.

**kenshin620**

djones520 wrote:That doesn't seem to be to big of a disparity. I may still look into it.

Alright then, in fact I'm all in favor of seeing alternate armies out there

I just know too many people (myself included partially) that can do a complete 180 from "wow, I need 5 boxes of those" to "wow, I dont these will fit in at all" once they take a closer look

**djones520**

kenshin620 wrote:
djones520 wrote:That doesn't seem to be to big of a disparity. I may still look into it.

Alright then, in fact I'm all in favor of seeing alternate armies out there

I just know too many people (myself included partially) that can do a complete 180 from "wow, I need 5 boxes of those" to "wow, I dont these will fit in at all" once they take a closer look

I'll probably buy one box just to make sure, instead of spending $150+ and coming to regret it.

**Griever**

Not a fan of the massive heads nor the massive beards. Looks like an army of anorexic santa clauses

**Agamemnon2**

Big beards at least is historically accurate. The Greeks were fans of the face-shrubbery.

**Empchild**

Griever wrote:Not a fan of the massive heads nor the massive beards. Looks like an army of anorexic santa clauses

In ancient times a shaved face was actually a sign of wealth as mirrors did not exist just finely polished brass etc. So generally you had to pay for a shave so in fact the beards were accurate also armys often had to live off the land while on the march , or in athens case on the seas as they were known for their ships, so often men could go days without a meal. Funny how people have a skewed view of how models should look.when in historicals we want accuracy.

**Fattimus_maximus**

I"ll take two, hope they look good next to the warlord games stuff I have

**gorgon**

Empchild wrote:
Griever wrote:Not a fan of the massive heads nor the massive beards. Looks like an army of anorexic santa clauses

In ancient times a shaved face was actually a sign of wealth as mirrors did not exist just finely polished brass etc. So generally you had to pay for a shave so in fact the beards were accurate also armys often had to live off the land while on the march , or in athens case on the seas as they were known for their ships, so often men could go days without a meal. Funny how people have a skewed view of how models should look.when in historicals we want accuracy.

They need bigger weapons too. Those spears need to be at least tree-trunk sized. And they need more screaming heads.

Otherwise, I think they'd make nice Greek mercs alongside my Macedonians.

**kenshin620**

The Athenians are now up for Pre Order. £22.95 a box, so a wee bit more than their napoleonics. They also have bulk deals for 3, 4, 5, 7, and 10 boxes

They also have a lot of Shield Transfers from LBMS although I do not know if these are new designs

**kenshin620**

Great Escape Games has a review of the Athenian Sprues

Full read here
http://www.greatescapegames.co.uk/clash-of-empires/stu-blog/victrix-athenians

**bubber**

It's a shame that they stick the legs on big chucky bases.
I wish that they were separate so you could easily put them on 25mm or whatever else you might fancy.
I know you can chop them off but this can lead to damaging the legs especially if you're doing a whole lot in one go & get distracted

**Bolognesus**

bubber wrote:It's a shame that they stick the legs on big chucky bases.
I wish that they were separate so you could easily put them on 25mm or whatever else you might fancy.
I know you can chop them off but this can lead to damaging the legs especially if you're doing a whole lot in one go & get distracted

you could try if they fit the mantic base slots, those aren't too expensive.

**Kilkrazy**

spiraleddie wrote:Slightly unrelated but I am amazed to see on the box they represent the 5th to 3rd century bce, does that mean that there was no significant change to their equipment and technology for ~ 200 years? It certainly puts into perspective the rapid change we have seen in modern times.

There were changes in the style of helmets and cuirasses over several hundred years. The big change was when linen cuirasses started to replace bronze.

Hoplites had to provide their own equipment, and it was expensive, so any change would probably have taken a long time as the richest men sold off their old stuff in order to upgrade, while the poorer men would have maintained heirloom armour or bought secondhand if it was cheap.

**kenshin620**

bubber wrote:It's a shame that they stick the legs on big chucky bases.
I wish that they were separate so you could easily put them on 25mm or whatever else you might fancy.
I know you can chop them off but this can lead to damaging the legs especially if you're doing a whole lot in one go & get distracted

The bases dont look that big, you can still put them on your own bases I bet. Though for sake of modeling, some base covering of sorts will help hide it

Comparison pics are up. Sadly Immortal minis are quite small compared to these chaps so mixing wise Victrix will go well with the larger 28mm's

Left to right: Wargames Foundry, Wargames Factory, Victrix, Warlord/Immortal

**Cruentus**

Hmm. I was waiting for the Victrix hoplites to come out, but now seeing them in the comparison shot, I think I like the Immortal/Warlord ones better.

I think, though, the height difference between Warlord and Victrix can be put down to the base under the Victrix model's feet. Still, something I'm not liking about the Victrix model (could also just be that assembly or combination I'm not liking)

**Empchild**

Cruentus wrote:Hmm. I was waiting for the Victrix hoplites to come out, but now seeing them in the comparison shot, I think I like the Immortal/Warlord ones better.

I think, though, the height difference between Warlord and Victrix can be put down to the base under the Victrix model's feet. Still, something I'm not liking about the Victrix model (could also just be that assembly or combination I'm not liking)

Warlord has only.done the macedonians and those are drastically different. The immortal ones (now owned by warlord) honestly are pretty bad as the body is very off and un natural.