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If Shrike uses his ability to infiltrate one squad on Assault Terminators that leaves them 18 inches from the enemy(unless you can get them out of sight). If the terminators move their 6 inches forward, then Shrike is no longer part of the squad and can use his jump pack, correct?

If he then lands within 2 inches of the Terminators, Shrike will rejoin the unit, and will be 9 inches from the enemy. If the unit can roll at least 3 inches on the fleet of foot roll then they can initiate an assault, correct?

Firstly, you have to start MORE than 18" away from the enemy.

Secondly, Shrike has to be the one who moves away from the unit he's attatched to, not the other way around.

No, it is an illegal move. Basically, it doesn't matter if he leaves the squad or not. What matters is where he ends up at the end of the Movement phase. So if he starts off with the squad at the beginning of the phase and at the end of the Movement phase, he is still with the squad after performing the movement you described, then that unit has just illegally moved 8".

If you want a first turn assault with Shrike, join him to a unit of Assault marines (or jump pack vanguards) and infiltrate the unit. You can also 1st turn assault with cc-scouts. Infiltrate them and then scout move them for the 1st turn assault.

Madness! wrote:If the terminators move their 6 inches forward, then Shrike is no longer part of the squad and can use his jump pack, correct?

This is incorrect. Shrike is still considered a part of the unit until the end of the Movement Phase. So, RAW he can only move 6".

A lot of people do not play it this way (myself included). Most people will let you move Shrike out of the unit using his full movement of 12", or so I've been led to believe.

Edit: Using that extra movement that some people might give you to pull this off, I believe, would be in bad form.

No. For the reasons already given.

To leave a unit, an IC (such as Shrike) needs to be out of coherency at the end of the movement phase. If he starts and ends the movement phase in coherency with the unit, he hasn't left it and needs to follow the movement rules of the unit.

You could possibly pull it off with a land raider deployed sideways, that moves foward the 12, gains the extra 2 from pivoting, and then fleets 6, for 20 inches, then can move up to 26 in one turn.

But because deployment states you must be more than 18' away from the enemy, you can't pull the shrike trick unless they could gain scout movement as well some how.

With Shrike Assault Marines get 12" move + d6" Fleet + 6" Assault. So they have no problem getting a turn 1 assault when infiltrated to 18.00000001" away from enemy.

Scouts can infiltrate to 12.00001" away if they are out of sight. Then 6" move + d6" Fleet + 6" will get them in as well.

Edit: Unless you were only talking about the OP's Terminator assault?

Terminators could infiltrate 12" out of LoS then move run Nd assault on the first turn. Not as easy as an assault squad, but possible.

Yes you could try to infiltrate out of the enemies LOS and the trick could work, but only then.

And the fact that it is so hard to infiltrate 12" out of sight is what is stopping me from trying that in my Raven Guard army.

Ok, so no can do then...

kmdl1066 wrote:With Shrike Assault Marines get 12" move + d6" Fleet + 6" Assault. So they have no problem getting a turn 1 assault when infiltrated to 18.00000001" away from enemy.

Scouts can infiltrate to 12.00001" away if they are out of sight. Then 6" move + d6" Fleet + 6" will get them in as well.

Edit: Unless you were only talking about the OP's Terminator assault?

This seems like you can't... as 18 is not 18.00000001, so not able to assault. In short, since the rule saying you must be more than 18 away, means it is impossible to get a result of more than 18 by taking 6+6+6.

Now being 12 away and in cover, yeah that can be done.

I think you missed that the example put forth by kmdl1066 was Shrike + Assault Marines.

You are correct that 6" (move) + 6" (Run) + 6" (assault) cannot exceed the 18+ inches, but Assault Marines + Shrike goes like this; 12" (move) + 6" (Run) + 6" (assault).

PS. All Run rolls are assumed to roll max.

I think the more important aspect is that no IC (Shrike or otherwise) can both leave and enter a unit in the same movement phase. If he's with the unit both at start and finish, he will have to be moved like any other (non-IC) member of that same unit. If his movement does not comply with that (say Shrike going 9" while part of a non-Jump Infantry-unit), the movement is simply illegal.

The IC only "officially" leaves the unit by virtue of being out of coherency at the end of the movement phase. Though by "anticipating" to leave the unit, you can employ Shrike's greater movement potential as long as you don't retrospectively make the move illegal by ending up, again, in unit coherency. And if Shrike left the unit (out of coherency at the end of the movement phase), he'll not be part of the unit for the following shooting and assault phase.

juraigamer wrote:You could possibly pull it off with a land raider deployed sideways, that moves foward the 12, gains the extra 2 from pivoting, and then fleets 6, for 20 inches, then can move up to 26 in one turn.

But because deployment states you must be more than 18' away from the enemy, you can't pull the shrike trick unless they could gain scout movement as well some how.

Your math is wrong. ~2" from pivot + 12" move +~3"(more than)from disembark +6" from a good run = 23" move, that you can then add a 6" assault move for 29" total

It seems like one of the best chances for Shrike+Termies to get a first turn assault is to play second, infiltrate, and then try to anticipate enemy movement and let them move within assault range for you (assuming that the squad doesn't get wiped out from incoming fire, of course). Disclaimer: I've never tested this strategy out in actual battle, so no guarantees.

Or Infiltrate them out of LoS of your opponent. I've been unsuccessful finding terrain that'll let me do that recently though. (with Genestealers, but same difference)

Damnit... I got caught by this maneuver and blithely assumed my opponent knew what he was doing :(

Never again!