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i read on the 40k wikia that during the siege of the imperial palace the emperors children didnt take part in the siege but just raped 80% of the population how is that possible if the marines are sterelised in the process of becoming a marine and after that getting special therapy that takes all sexual desire away i was just wondering how that would work

What can be done, can be undone... Especially when Chaos is involved. Here's what Lexicanum had to say about it:

All trace of decency amongst the Emperor's Children had vanished by the time they partook in the Siege of Terra. While other Traitor Legions assaulted the Imperial Palace, the Emperor's Children embarked upon a spree of terror and gratification amongst the helpless citizenry of Earth. Millions of defenceless civilians were slaughtered and rendered down to create endless varieties of drugs and stimulants, countless thousands more dying to provide the Legionnaires with more direct and cruder pleasure.1, 6

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor%27s_Children#The_Horus_Heresy

Keep in mind that it references some pretty old material though (Index Astartes I and Slaves to Darkness)

Who is to say that the Emperor's Children didn't merely savor the sweet deaths they caused by eating very alive victims?

Just because they are sterile, doesn't mean that they can't get it to work.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Just because they are sterile, doesn't mean that they can't get it to work.

yes but dont they get some chemical treatment wich just removes the feeling as a whole

admiral9 wrote:
yes but dont they get some chemical treatment wich just removes the feeling as a whole

All things become possible when chaos is involved.

marines simply have their natural impulses supressed, the hardware still works and chaos can remove the suppression.

Chaos can very much remove the supression, considering the events in Fulgrim. Specifically regarding the first captains feeling towards Fulgrim.

Considering that Slaanesh is a god of love, decadence and gratification, it'd be pretty reasonable for it to view sex as one of the key ways to achieve all of those things. So it'd be pretty natural for it to... remove any flaws in its followers' plumbing.

The power of chaos distorts SPACE TIME. Why would it be that hard for those following the God of Decadence and hedonistic pleasure to just rearrange some plumbing.

Also, we're talking about an age where simple humans can be made to live for hundreds of years using technology we can't even begin to contemplate. I'm sure it'd be no problem for the Emperor's Children to just build...

Y'know. No. I'm not doing it.

Except there is nothing wrong with the plumbing, the faucet is just rusted shut. nothing a little Slanneshy WD-40 can't fix

A few points:

1. Fabius Bile surgically and chemically re-engineered the Emperor's Children into something completely different than the baseline astartes.
2. While there is definitely allusions to forced coitus the Emperor's Children are so corrupted and debased their idea of carnal pleasures are so sadistic they wouldn't really require working junk.

1. Fabius Bile surgically and chemically re-engineered the Emperor's Children into something completely different than the baseline astartes.
2. While there is definitely allusions to forced coitus the Emperor's Children are so corrupted and debased their idea of carnal pleasures are so sadistic they wouldn't really require working junk.

QFT

Oakenshield wrote:
2. While there is definitely allusions to forced coitus the Emperor's Children are so corrupted and debased their idea of carnal pleasures are so sadistic they wouldn't really require working junk.

Why am I suddenly thinking of power fist themed double entendres?

admiral9 wrote:...if the marines are sterelised in the process of becoming a marine and after that getting special therapy that takes all sexual desire away i was just wondering how that would work

So far as I'm aware, that's a common assumption, but not actually substantiated in canonical material. The simplest solution to this apparent quandary would be that Space Marines' sexual organs function normally (whether sterile or not), and that it's just a combination of (in-universe) their sexual impulses being washed away by their rigorous training and indoctrination, and (out-of-universe) the simple fact that sex and romance are not important themes in military sci-fi. Slaanesh provides the Astartes with the motivation to rape whole populations to death as a way of passing a dull afternoon, but there's really no need to involve the Chaos Gods or mass phallus-surgery to explain their ability to do so.

Thanks English Assassin. (You know, there isn't a good way to shorten your handle...) I always kind of thought that when the Emperor's Children raped someone, it wasn't so much a sex act as it was using a penis as a murder weapon.

You know, rape was never explicitly mentioned. There have been plenty of serial killers who admitted to sexual gratification when they killed, particularly if the method was ritualistic and/or gruesome. Considering the kinds of stimuli the Children had been exposed to and the new heights they were now discovering, mere sex (forced or no) would undoubtedly be unbearably dull.

Tentacles. Lots and lots of tentacles.

Either that or Fabius bile has been busy with some special modifications.

I grant that Omegus, but I can't think of a single time when sex has ever been explicitly mentioned in 40k. When it comes to anything south of the border, 40k reaches an almost Puritanical level of cleanliness. Since sex isn't spelled out even when it involves hookers, I just kind of thought that the devotees of a god whose chosen servants run around looking like bondage strippers gone wrong would engage in a little wick dipping when they were in port. You are, quite possibly correct, although I think that if murder is providing a better high than sex, then murder during or as a result of sex would be the next logical step.

Jimsolo wrote:I grant that Omegus, but I can't think of a single time when sex has ever been explicitly mentioned in 40k. When it comes to anything south of the border, 40k reaches an almost Puritanical level of cleanliness. Since sex isn't spelled out even when it involves hookers, I just kind of thought that the devotees of a god whose chosen servants run around looking like bondage strippers gone wrong would engage in a little wick dipping when they were in port. You are, quite possibly correct, although I think that if murder is providing a better high than sex, then murder during or as a result of sex would be the next logical step.

Have you read Fulgrim?

Very (for 40K and Black Library standard) graphic sex/murder scene in there. As well as lots of scenes that make it pretty clear that there are mass orgies happening.

There is also a fair bit of sex in the Eisinhorn and Ravenor books as well. Granted it is fairly tame comparativly speaking.

d-usa wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:I grant that Omegus, but I can't think of a single time when sex has ever been explicitly mentioned in 40k. When it comes to anything south of the border, 40k reaches an almost Puritanical level of cleanliness. Since sex isn't spelled out even when it involves hookers, I just kind of thought that the devotees of a god whose chosen servants run around looking like bondage strippers gone wrong would engage in a little wick dipping when they were in port. You are, quite possibly correct, although I think that if murder is providing a better high than sex, then murder during or as a result of sex would be the next logical step.

Have you read Fulgrim?

Very (for 40K and Black Library standard) graphic sex/murder scene in there. As well as lots of scenes that make it pretty clear that there are mass orgies happening.

And even in Fulgrim, all the sexual acts are undertaken by the crew and remembrancers on board the ship. When the concert sparks off a mass riot/orgy/pandemonium, the Astartes respond the only way they know how, by lashing out at everything nearby with violence.

I do not think it is imposable. The organs still work, but the drive/desire is not there as it should be. They could, if they really wanted to but simply do not have the want/need. And as said above you do not need working genitalia rape someone. They are a sadistic bunch, the pain they inflict, the humiliation and degradation is what they crave. Not the sex act itself.

Omegus wrote:

d-usa wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:I grant that Omegus, but I can't think of a single time when sex has ever been explicitly mentioned in 40k. When it comes to anything south of the border, 40k reaches an almost Puritanical level of cleanliness. Since sex isn't spelled out even when it involves hookers, I just kind of thought that the devotees of a god whose chosen servants run around looking like bondage strippers gone wrong would engage in a little wick dipping when they were in port. You are, quite possibly correct, although I think that if murder is providing a better high than sex, then murder during or as a result of sex would be the next logical step.

Have you read Fulgrim?

Very (for 40K and Black Library standard) graphic sex/murder scene in there. As well as lots of scenes that make it pretty clear that there are mass orgies happening.

And even in Fulgrim, all the sexual acts are undertaken by the crew and remembrancers on board the ship. When the concert sparks off a mass riot/orgy/pandemonium, the Astartes respond the only way they know how, by lashing out at everything nearby with violence.

Well, my comment was more directed towards the "In 40K sex isn't spelled out" part of it.

The Emperors Children did start having "feelings" towards the end of the book though, so it wouldn't be a huge leap from there.

I also believe Ragnar in the Space Wolves books has been shown to have sexual urges, though I don't remember if he actaully acted on them or not.

Well slaanesh can do some wacky things. While i do think its funny. That they add a god of orgy and pleasure with naked deamonettes. And the dont say te word sex once even the mounts have wacky long tongues.

Lukas the Trickster is known for his female, ahem, conquests, and I'm pretty sure the writers aren't talking about planting a flag in their head and claiming them for Fenris.

I honestly don't recall reading anywhere that Marines were specifically sterilized or made unable, so to speak. Rather, it's just not brought up and a bunch of holy warrior-monks with fifteen minutes of free time a day just plain don't have the time.

Barkdreg Badtoof wrote:Lukas the Trickster is known for his female, ahem, conquests, and I'm pretty sure the writers aren't talking about planting a flag in their head and claiming them for Fenris

That was pre-Marine-hood...

Suddenly it becomes a lot more impressive when you realise that he must have been 12 when he did that then.