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Alright, ive settled on making my army a Counts-as army. World eaters, using the space wolves codex.

I want to run some forgeworld stuff in my army, like a Contemptor.

Dakka, my question is Would you accept it if i wanted to run a Chaos contemptor dreadnought, or maybe that fancy new Decimator daemon engine with the Space wolves codex?

the idea is that im using the SWs codex as a better chaos codex

If your just doing casual games give Just Dave's chaos codex a shot: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/340878.page
It lets you not only have a better chaos-feeling army, but also to use the legion of your choice. I swapped over to it maybe 6 months back and wouldn't dream of swapping back (just play games with friends so don't have any probs using it).

I have NO issue fighting against FW stuff, even when its just counts-as, because the models are almost always awesome, and the rules are generally underpowered for their points.

The biggest (no pun intended) problem most opponents might have is the size of your models. As long as your not able to hide your defiler behind a rhino or something like that it works ok.

Otherwise if its clear what each unit is supposed to be then most casual games will be fine. I suppose it may depend on the players in your area too though.

You want to use the SW codex with FW chaos units?

Or you want to use SW codex with FW SW-legal units with spikey bitz?

nkelsch wrote:You want to use the SW codex with FW chaos units?

Or you want to use SW codex with FW SW-legal units with spikey bitz?

I want to run the SW codex with FW chaos units

Obsidian Raven wrote:

nkelsch wrote:You want to use the SW codex with FW chaos units?

Or you want to use SW codex with FW SW-legal units with spikey bitz?

I want to run the SW codex with FW chaos units

Most people will not be cool with that even for friendly games. Mixing codexes are not usually allowed outside of apocalypse games.

yeah, it really depends on what you consider "casual."

Random pick up games? I'd be annoyed if somebody is not only droppping FW on me, but it's from a different codex.

Club games with friends? Ask them, and not us.

Polonius wrote:yeah, it really depends on what you consider "casual."

Random pick up games? I'd be annoyed if somebody is not only droppping FW on me, but it's from a different codex.

Club games with friends? Ask them, and not us.

Thats the kind of answer i was looking for, really. I never expected a good reaction, but was wondering if people would consider it.

I'm honestly likely to do pick up games mostly, but ill just use the SW-legal versions of things, and keep it magnatised for when the next codex rolls around.

Obsidian Raven wrote:

Polonius wrote:yeah, it really depends on what you consider "casual."

Random pick up games? I'd be annoyed if somebody is not only droppping FW on me, but it's from a different codex.

Club games with friends? Ask them, and not us.

Thats the kind of answer i was looking for, really. I never expected a good reaction, but was wondering if people would consider it.

I'm honestly likely to do pick up games mostly, but ill just use the SW-legal versions of things, and keep it magnatised for when the next codex rolls around.

I guess the problem for pick up games is that you're just running into too many variations from "stock" play.
1) Counts as army
2) including forgeworld,
3) from a different army

For a truly random game, a lot of players would be a little peeved.

Polonius wrote:

Obsidian Raven wrote:

Polonius wrote:yeah, it really depends on what you consider "casual."

Random pick up games? I'd be annoyed if somebody is not only droppping FW on me, but it's from a different codex.

Club games with friends? Ask them, and not us.

Thats the kind of answer i was looking for, really. I never expected a good reaction, but was wondering if people would consider it.

I'm honestly likely to do pick up games mostly, but ill just use the SW-legal versions of things, and keep it magnatised for when the next codex rolls around.

I guess the problem for pick up games is that you're just running into too many variations from "stock" play.
1) Counts as army
2) including forgeworld,
3) from a different army

For a truly random game, a lot of players would be a little peeved.

yeah, thats a fair enough point. However, the counts as isnt really my only army, so i can always run my Dark Eldar in its place (which has no counts as)

I think it's just one of those psychological things. People feel that when they are gracious, they are giving something up. Ask too much, and people resent it.

Have you thought about using the big FW model as a bjorn?

The Decimator could still work as a counts-as Bjorn, while the Chaos Contemptor could easily work as a counts-as SW Contemptor. No need to mix rules from different armies.

That would be fine in my book.

I didnt make the bjorn-decimator connection at all. Thats a brilliant idea. Thanks!

The issue i see with that though is TLOS, seeing as the Decimator seems to be twice the size of a standard dread.

Obsidian Raven wrote:I didnt make the bjorn-decimator connection at all. Thats a brilliant idea. Thanks!

The issue i see with that though is TLOS, seeing as the Decimator seems to be twice the size of a standard dread.

You take the good with the bad on that one. It'll hurt you more than it'll help you, so nobody is going to seriously complain.

Polonius wrote:

Obsidian Raven wrote:I didnt make the bjorn-decimator connection at all. Thats a brilliant idea. Thanks!

The issue i see with that though is TLOS, seeing as the Decimator seems to be twice the size of a standard dread.

You take the good with the bad on that one. It'll hurt you more than it'll help you, so nobody is going to seriously complain.

Bjorn was the first thought that came to my mind.

Even in highly competitive tournaments people will not complain if the model for Bjorn is up sized because it's not an advantage.

I feel like a good litmus test of if something okay in a pick up game is if they turn it back on you. What would you say if they asked, "Oh, can I have a moment to rewrite my list, I want to proxy some Forgeworld models and grab a few units out of another codex while I'm at it." Especially since you don't know if what they're going to take is horrendously overpowered or not, since they don't know what synergies and overpowers you might be bringing.

Can I run my nids using the Grey Knights codex?

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Can I run my nids using the Grey Knights codex?

Yes make a pure henchman army and model all of the henchmen as hybrids/genestealer cult. Bust out the old school limos and use them as Rhinos.

Obsidian Raven wrote:Alright, ive settled on making my army a Counts-as army. World eaters, using the space wolves codex.

I want to run some forgeworld stuff in my army, like a Contemptor.

Dakka, my question is Would you accept it if i wanted to run a Chaos contemptor dreadnought, or maybe that fancy new Decimator daemon engine with the Space wolves codex?

the idea is that im using the SWs codex as a better chaos codex

Ah, I see what you're saying - it's not that you're using forgeworld, it's that you're using forgeworld units outside of their codex allocation.

If it's discussed before hand, I'd have no problem with it. I may ask for a small points limit bonus to me (100pts?) if it was jumped onto me.

schadenfreude wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Can I run my nids using the Grey Knights codex?

Yes make a pure henchman army and model all of the henchmen as hybrids/genestealer cult. Bust out the old school limos and use them as Rhinos.

That is awesome.

For a casual game, I would be fine with it - at least for the first time/novelty factor. After that, it would depend on how fun the game was - though I would probably see it as a challenge to modify my list to deal with it if it wasn't, potentially with similarly relaxed restrictions

I think this would be a good time to mention that i would likely not just jump it on my opponent (such as rock up at my gaming store, approach a random dude and say "lets game - im using out of codex forge world stuff") i would probably pre-organise the game before hand.

If I knew what to be expecting and it wasnt just sprung on me I would be much more willing to play someone doing this at least once and seeing how it went.

If i knew it was coming, and was allowed to do the same, i'd be cool with it.

I could dust off my Nurgle Orks, and have them led by my FW Nurgle Daemonprince

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