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Emperor or Warlord Titan be able to destroy before we took it down? As in Cities Within the United States, or if you think it would be able to destroy all of those and move on to other countries.

well considerig its only throwing out 10" blasts at best..... and they are generally only 2 feet tall. id say they would last a solid 10 minutes and ding some paint off some guys garage. then it would get a shotgun to the face and fall apart.

DarthSpader wrote:well considerig its only throwing out 10" blasts at best..... and they are generally only 2 feet tall. id say they would last a solid 10 minutes and ding some paint off some guys garage. then it would get a shotgun to the face and fall apart.

Like a Chucky Doll on crack!

But what about a full sized one?

Considering fluff wise their weapons level continents I'd say many and never. If the imperium was to invade us they would never deploy them here.

Nom

An unsupported Titan would be extremely vulnerable to air units.

Kaldor wrote:An unsupported Titan would be extremely vulnerable to air units.

true enough, but what's the liklihood its not gonna have support?

Nom

Extremely vulnerable to air units? Not really. Somewhat vulnerable to air units? Sure, so is anything else. We can fire nukes into space, too.

They have void shields, turrets, and all sorts of nifty auspex and targeter technology, not to mention their primary armaments. The Titan is not going to stand there and let things just shoot at it, after all. With all of its armaments in play, this thing is just spraying hyper-velocity death in every direction.

As to how many cities it could destroy? Well, depends on where you're starting off at, I suppose. Los Angeles, California is a much bigger task to destroy than, say, Des Moines, Iowa.

aircraft still kick titan butt. most titan weapons are blast, wich really do gak vrs air targets. and if sterotypical movies have taught me anything, its that the US uses its airforce as a first response, usually flown by some wisecracking southren accent boy wonder, who may or may not have a troubled past. either way, a few well placed missiles will drop it pretty quick

Those well-placed missiles will, in all likelihood, simply cease to exist when they meet the void-shield. As will the next few missiles, and the ones after that, and the ones after that...

And why use the blast weapons on the Titan's arms for piddly air-defense units? That's what the two-dozen AA turrets that look like small crenelations on its shoulders, biceps and thighs are for. Hosting a quad of 20mm autocannons each, these twenty-four turrets put a wall of explosive shell out every second, tracking inbound targets with advanced auspex systems that allow them to predict the approach of aircraft before its even come over the horizon.

They call them God-Machines for a reason.

Besides, its not the Titan in the US we need to worry about, its the Gargant that Landed in Mexico...

Until the void shield drop, then the titan is toast.

Also the USAF probably use long range cruise missiles on it first before the air force. and a thousand or so missiles later and the solo titan would be no more.

Which would not reach the Titan... again, auspex and AA turrets.

We have no idea what it takes to drop a void shield, since the only time a Titan loses its voidshields in 40K is when it's dramatically appropriate for it to do so.

actually its void shields loose a "hit" or point for each would be pen or glance. and the most void shields a titan has i think is 8. so 12-15 well placed cruise missles or what have you and shields go down. also, based on the apoc book, the warlord does not have AA batteries. it has 2 carapace weapons, of wich, only 1; the vulcan mega bolter is not a blast weapon (but also not AA mounted), and 2 arm weapons. again, none of wich are non blast. the emporer titan while bigger only boasts more of the same blast weapons. 6 carapace weapons, all of wich are blast templates, and 2 arm weapons, again all blast weapons. so your "it has a ton of super AA firing quad auto cannons to shoot down aircraft" argument is null.

and btw, statments that "oh well it would swap out carapace for XYZ etc etc etc" im not buying. if you want to use a fantasy game model in real world, then consider its game rules and apply them. in game - no AA defences what so ever, and aircraft or anything with flier rule would own it with very little fear of reprisal. (speaking from experence)

Tabletop =/= fluff, because the Tabletop game must exist in some state of balance where Army A has some sort of chance against Army B, regardless of their type. In the fluff, a lance of Titans walking on a world ends wars with a profound finality, most especially in the case where the hosting world has no Titans of their own to oppose the God-Machines. On the table, any given army has a chance against a Titan. In the fluff? They'd either have to have a Greater Daemon of significant power (or its equivalent) to counter it, or certain pieces of select, anti-Titan wargear, such as a Shadowsword, or somehow have enough plot-armor to get past its Void Shield in order to get inside it.... and even then, that's an uphill battle once inside in more ways than one.

In the books, like Titanicus, the Titans are simply covered in weapons. In addition to the Really Fething Big Guns that are the Titans' main armaments, they have turret-mounted weapons for dealing with pesky infantry forces that try to board it, hull-mounted mines for fools that try to climb on it, internal autoweapon defense systems for clearing out any poor fether who actually manages to get inside it (not to mention a crew of hundreds to thousands for defending it), anti-aircraft turrets, rocket pods and missile bays, and all sorts of psych-ops weapons like huge-ass brass horns, loudhailers, subsonic wave generators and other bits that serve no other purpose than to really scare the fething gak out of the enemy... and, incidentally, anyone else who happens to be within sight of it.

The only they can take out a Titan would be a strategic nuclear strike. Or a massive air offensive which would take MASSIVE losses before it takes down the Titan. If they're dealing with a full Legion, it's over. Between the 50-100 Titans, hordes of skitarii and servitors, and it's own dedicated starships and armored vehicles, the United States would fall in a month, NATO in two, Western Hemisphere in four, the world in eight. By then the Guard and Ministorum will have arrived to pick up the pieces.

We have an awful lot of air defense, I imagine a couple of small nukes to the face would knock it out pretty fast.

Emerett wrote:We have an awful lot of air defense, I imagine a couple of small nukes to the face would knock it out pretty fast.

Titan shields are starship-grade, meant to handle to torpedo strikes and lance hits, the former of which amounts to tactical-grade nuclear blasts. We have nothing that comes close to a lance cannon. Even a few 'small nukes' would barely register on the Titan's shields. It would then unleash it's own ballistic weapon batteries, and respond in kind.

Tadashi wrote:

Emerett wrote:We have an awful lot of air defense, I imagine a couple of small nukes to the face would knock it out pretty fast.

Titan shields are starship-grade, meant to handle to torpedo strikes and lance hits, the former of which amounts to tactical-grade nuclear blasts. We have nothing that comes close to a lance cannon. Even a few 'small nukes' would barely register on the Titan's shields. It would then unleash it's own ballistic weapon batteries, and respond in kind.

No they aren't. The largest imperial battletitans are 50-60m in height. The smallest imperial warships commonly in use are roughly 1km long corvettes. A titan, no matter it's class, cannot even hope to stand against even the smallest warship grade weaponry. Single battletitans are slow, have huge profiles and only limited firepower ( still awesome compared to what most other landbased vehicles can mount but there are definite limits to what it can carry ). Voidshields offer ample protection but even they can be broken by massed use of heavy weapons/ artillery, even in the fluff.

Considering how many nuclear weapons the US has, one. The Titan strikes the first city and takes it by suprise, the US military then sees that a Titan is attacking their cities and respond with enough force. Strong as an Imperator is, it won't live through a rain of nuclear weapons.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Considering how many nuclear weapons the US has, one. The Titan strikes the first city and takes it by suprise, the US military then sees that a Titan is attacking their cities and respond with enough force. Strong as an Imperator is, it won't live through a rain of nuclear weapons.

Neither will most of the US in that case from the fallout

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Considering how many nuclear weapons the US has, one. The Titan strikes the first city and takes it by suprise, the US military then sees that a Titan is attacking their cities and respond with enough force. Strong as an Imperator is, it won't live through a rain of nuclear weapons.

Fair enough...but they'll have to use strategic-grade weaponry. A Titan cannot withstand a lance strike, but it would a torpedo strike, and those are only tactical grade. A full Titan Legion could be defeated by the US military, but it would leave most if not all of the US a wasteland (if the reactors in a Titan go critical it'll be like setting off a thermonuclear round) - and that still leaves the Titan Legion's warships in orbit roaring for revenge.


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Tadashi wrote:

Emerett wrote:We have an awful lot of air defense, I imagine a couple of small nukes to the face would knock it out pretty fast.

Titan shields are starship-grade, meant to handle to torpedo strikes and lance hits, the former of which amounts to tactical-grade nuclear blasts. We have nothing that comes close to a lance cannon. Even a few 'small nukes' would barely register on the Titan's shields. It would then unleash it's own ballistic weapon batteries, and respond in kind.

No they aren't. The largest imperial battletitans are 50-60m in height. The smallest imperial warships commonly in use are roughly 1km long corvettes. A titan, no matter it's class, cannot even hope to stand against even the smallest warship grade weaponry. Single battletitans are slow, have huge profiles and only limited firepower ( still awesome compared to what most other landbased vehicles can mount but there are definite limits to what it can carry ). Voidshields offer ample protection but even they can be broken by massed use of heavy weapons/ artillery, even in the fluff.

True enough, but by the time the US can get their act going, at least one city will be destroyed. And if they destroy the Titan, it's plasma reactors will go critical - that's gonna leave a mark.

Psienesis wrote:That's what the two-dozen AA turrets that look like small crenelations on its shoulders, biceps and thighs are for.

In no version of the rules or background do warlords or emperor titans sport significant AA defence.

Void shields are vulnerable to simple kinetic energy.

Air units can engage from beyond the horizon, never entering a titans engagement zone.

All armour suffers from the same problems.

Pretty sure a nuke would vaporise it. So, none.

Joey wrote:Pretty sure a nuke would vaporise it. So, none.

Pretty sure you're wrong, as has been discussed in the thread which you obviously didn't read.

Joey wrote:Pretty sure a nuke would vaporise it. So, none.

No, it won't. You'll just make it worse by 'igniting' the Titan's plasma reactors. You'll vent volatile (and potentially radioactive) plasma over a large area. If it goes up in the middle of a large area of farmland or pasture like the Mid-West (pardon me if I'm wrong, not from the US) it would pretty much shatter the US economy, not to mention set off the biggest environmental/humanitarian crisis in history.

Alexzandvar wrote:Emperor or Warlord Titan be able to destroy before we took it down? As in Cities Within the United States, or if you think it would be able to destroy all of those and move on to other countries.

None. We'd hit it with a tactical nuke and it would be adios muchachos.
Titans don't make any sense as weapon systems, for the same reason they work so well in 40k: because they're big. In the game, big is good, but in the modern military, big just means you're a big target.


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Tadashi wrote:

Joey wrote:Pretty sure a nuke would vaporise it. So, none.

No, it won't. You'll just make it worse by 'igniting' the Titan's plasma reactors. You'll vent volatile (and potentially radioactive) plasma over a large area. If it goes up in the middle of a large area of farmland or pasture like the Mid-West (pardon me if I'm wrong, not from the US) it would pretty much shatter the US economy, not to mention set off the biggest environmental/humanitarian crisis in history.

It would definitely be bad for the US economy if a nuclear weapon went off in the midwest, but not so much becasue of lost productivity as because of the panic it would cause. The United States is so big and produces so much food that we could lose the agricultural productivity of several midwestern states without bringing the economy down, although it certainly wouldn't help to have all that radioactivity around.

GreatGunz wrote:

Alexzandvar wrote:Emperor or Warlord Titan be able to destroy before we took it down? As in Cities Within the United States, or if you think it would be able to destroy all of those and move on to other countries.

None. We'd hit it with a tactical nuke and it would be adios muchachos.
Titans don't make any sense as weapon systems, for the same reason they work so well in 40k: because they're big. In the game, big is good, but in the modern military, big just means you're a big target.

No, it won't! The shields will hold against tactical rounds. And even if it doesn't how will you handle the explosion of the plasma reactors? This is an Emperor/Warlord-class we're talking about...those reactors will be massive, and filled to full capacity in battle with superheated and potentially radioactive plasma. If it goes off, it'll make Tsar Bomba look like Hiroshima. In 40k that's nothing, in our world, that's catastrophic.

Tadashi wrote:

Joey wrote:Pretty sure a nuke would vaporise it. So, none.

No, it won't. You'll just make it worse by 'igniting' the Titan's plasma reactors. You'll vent volatile (and potentially radioactive) plasma over a large area. If it goes up in the middle of a large area of farmland or pasture like the Mid-West (pardon me if I'm wrong, not from the US) it would pretty much shatter the US economy, not to mention set off the biggest environmental/humanitarian crisis in history.

Wait, what? How would it "ignite" the plasma? In fact while we're at it, why, in the 41st millenium, are safety standards for nuclear processes at a sub-Chernobyl level?
And if titans can blow up and wreck an entire planet, why are they used at all?

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Tadashi wrote:

Joey wrote:Pretty sure a nuke would vaporise it. So, none.

No, it won't. You'll just make it worse by 'igniting' the Titan's plasma reactors. You'll vent volatile (and potentially radioactive) plasma over a large area. If it goes up in the middle of a large area of farmland or pasture like the Mid-West (pardon me if I'm wrong, not from the US) it would pretty much shatter the US economy, not to mention set off the biggest environmental/humanitarian crisis in history.

It would definitely be bad for the US economy if a nuclear weapon went off in the midwest, but not so much becasue of lost productivity as because of the panic it would cause. The United States is so big and produces so much food that we could lose the agricultural productivity of several midwestern states without bringing the economy down, although it certainly wouldn't help to have all that radioactivity around.

Point taken...the US econony would survive, though it will be sent reeling, so to speak, but the environmental damage will take decades to repair, and the humanitarian crisis (panicked refugees, radiation poisoned people, plasma-induced injuries) would be unimaginable. It'll be worse than Katrina (my apologies if this goes the wrong way, wasn't meant to be offensive).