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2012/03/23 03:20:03
Subject: troops, scoring and casualties
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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I was told a while ago when I started playing 5th ed, that troops that were under 25 percent strength could not hold objectives, and it came up in a tournament where the player I was playing against had to run another unit over to his home objective while he muttered about the unit of 5 down to 1 being to small to hold it (insert cursing), and that player has a VERY solid grasp of the rules so I didn't question it as it confirmed what I was told earlier. Long story long, I'm writting up a battle report and don't want to be wrong in writting so, is it and actual rule that troops uner 50 percent no longer count as scoring?
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"He's doing the Lord's work. And by 'Lord' I mean Lord of Skulls." -Kenny Boucher
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- General Robert Thurgood of the Emperor's Own Lasguns before the landings at Traitor's Folly at the onset of the Chrislea's Road Campaign
"Pride goeth before the fall... to Slaanesh"
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2012/03/23 03:21:49
Subject: Re:troops, scoring and casualties
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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I don't have the BRB in front of me, but I'm about 99% sure that it doesn't matter how many models are left in the squad, 1 lonely scout should be able to take an objective, if he's all that's left.
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2012/03/23 03:23:53
Subject: Re:troops, scoring and casualties
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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There is no such restriction. Page 90, BRB, explains what a scoring unit can and can not be.
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“What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.”
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2012/03/23 03:23:57
Subject: troops, scoring and casualties
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Frenzied Juggernaut
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That might have been a rule from a previous edition.
Pretty sure a single survivor from a squad can hold, doesnt matter how many of his buddies died.
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2012/03/23 03:28:33
Subject: troops, scoring and casualties
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Tilter at Windmills
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In 3rd edition a unit had to be over half its starting strength to hold an objective/quadrant. So out of a 5 man squad you'd need 3 guys left, or out of a 10 man squad you'd need at least 6.
In 4th they changed it to at or over half. So a 5 man squad would still need to have 3 left alive, but a 10 man squad would need 5 or more.
In 5th the number of models left are irrelevant, as long as the unit's still alive and not fleeing (fleeing units are removed from the table before you check for victory conditions). One model left alive can still hold.
In Warhammer Fantasy, a unit under 25% of its starting strength can't Rally.
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2012/03/23 03:32:09
Subject: troops, scoring and casualties
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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Thanks.
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"He's doing the Lord's work. And by 'Lord' I mean Lord of Skulls." -Kenny Boucher
Prepare yourselves for the onslaught men. The enemy is waiting, but your Officers are courageous and your bayonettes sharp! I have at my disposal an entire army of Muskokans, tens of thousands of armour and artillery supporting millions upon tens of millions of the Imperium's finest fighting men with courage in their bellies, fire in their hearts and lasguns in their hands. Emperor show mercy to mine enemies, for as sure as the Imperium is vast, I will not!
- General Robert Thurgood of the Emperor's Own Lasguns before the landings at Traitor's Folly at the onset of the Chrislea's Road Campaign
"Pride goeth before the fall... to Slaanesh"
- ///name stricken///, former 'Emperor's Champion' |
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2012/03/23 09:55:10
Subject: troops, scoring and casualties
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Mann - not correct on the last point. 8th edition allows any unit to rally, but below 25% only on a double 1
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