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Hello people. Once again, we are faced with another guy who, just like so many others, believe that were wasting our time among other things because of our devotion to 40k.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/9153-Hating-Warhammer-40k-and-Space-Marine?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150398487671020_20969462_10150615870641020#f3b8b6e29

Honestly, it's guys like this that get everyone together...how ironic that otherwise we'd be arguing over the plus and minus of our respective factions...well, let's just discuss how we feel about this.

Obvious troll is obvious. This guy seems to love listening to himself.
I couldn't care enough to click "page 2".

Yahtzee? Ah, don't bother paying him any attention. He can be amusing in his Zero Punctuation videos but otherwise he's mostly irritating.

I read the whole article...

He isn't bashing 40k as much as he is bashing the Space Marine game and lack of depth in the story-line.

And truth be told, if you don't delve deeper into the fluff of 40k it is quite blah, just a bunch of people fighting each other. So, you can't blame the writer for not reading the novel, and the codex, as well at spend hours on lexicanum

If he thinks we are wasting our time why is he wasting his time complaining about us wasting our time? At least we have a hobby to fill our time. He obviously doesn't!

Hazard30 wrote:I read the whole article...

He isn't bashing 40k as much as he is bashing the Space Marine game and lack of depth in the story-line.

And truth be told, if you don't delve deeper into the fluff of 40k it is quite blah, just a bunch of people fighting each other. So, you can't blame the writer for not reading the novel, and the codex, as well at spend hours on lexicanum

What's the point of bashing a 40k spin-off if you don't know the wider story behind it? It's like Japan-bashing or racial generalizing without understanding the culture behind the ones getting bashed.

Jesus did you guys even read it?

He is a video game reviewer (hilarious at that).... He is saying the game lacks any theme other than it is a Space Marine game....

Meaning only the mindless drones of the TT version will appreciate it, since as a game on its own, it is unoriginal with a boring story too it, so only a TT player would understand the concepts....

Nothing he says is untrue.... Space Marine is a sterile game.

Like all GW based games so far other than DoW 1..... they have all sucked.....

Because writing is his job and he doesn't have time like you or me to read hours of 40k back-story. Before I got into 40k I didn't even know their was a back-story. I played the DoW games and liked the idea of playing a cooler game of Risk.

He says in the article "Now, I'm sure Warhammer 40K is a lovely tabletop strategy game. It's not my bag, I was and still am into storytelling play rather than win/lose wargaming, but I'm sure it means a lot to you." That doesn't sound like his is telling how bad the table-top game is. He is a video-game columnist, so he beef isn't with the table-top, its with the video game.

The game(for as fun as it is) isn't anything special or ground breaking. It basically like every other shooter and doesn't add anything new or revolutionary. Like he says again in the article "On the whole, not terrible enough to despise, nowhere near good enough to recommend. Just boring. My least favorite kind of game." Which in reality is pretty true....

Yahtzee is a pathetic hypocrite. He claims to be a gamer, but hates essentially every single game that is released. All he does is rant and never tries to do anything else.

Don't listen to his crap.

Marzillius wrote:Yahtzee is a pathetic hypocrite. He claims to be a gamer, but hates essentially every single game that is released. All he does is rant and never tries to do anything else.

Don't listen to his crap.

That's his thing...
I remember him saying none of his videos are really serious anymore.

Yahtzee doesn't like something? Stop the presses!

Actually most of his reviews of games are 100% accurate...

wether you enjoy the game or not... at the end of the day...... nearly all video games are lacking in ideas, are much to linear or have terrible background stories etc...

Even major award winning titles are pretty lame.

It simply shows the state of video games in general. They are throw away products.. They design them to be this way.

I havent played a fantastic video game in years... Ive played good ones.... but not fantastic...

Someone doesn't like something I like?!

ALERT THE TROOPS AND FIRE UP THE FORUMS! WE WILL COMBAT THIS! SURE HIS BEEF IS WITH THE VIDEO GAME AND NOT THE TABLETOP, AND THE ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN LAST OCTOBER BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY TO THINK!

Yahtzee is annoying little whiner. Not every game needs to be another Mass Effect, which ironically enough ruined its story with the 3rd one. It can be enough for a game to be fun and I for one think that all of relics 40k games have been fun.

Joetaco wrote:Yahtzee is annoying little whiner. Not every game needs to be another Mass Effect, which ironically enough ruined its story with the 3rd one. It can be enough for a game to be fun and I for one think that all of relics 40k games have been fun.

And ironically, he slammed the Mass Effect games in his reviews...

People raging out and taking his reviews so seriously is really sad.

Seriously?

You guys are almost as bad as the Fox guys yelling at the Daily Show.

curran12 wrote:SURE HIS BEEF IS WITH THE VIDEO GAME AND NOT THE TABLETOP

He does speak about the fluff, basically saying he doesn't like it even though he has no clue about it. That's flamebait, of course it attracts virulent replies. I can't see how coming to say "hurr hurr, butthurt, hurr" is more constructive though.

Thats yahtzee. He hates everything.

I despise that trollish blowhard Yahtzee.

Edit:
This is genius,
"I was an Advanced Dungeons & Dragons kid, you know, all the fantasy stuff that stimulated the creative mind that was actually about telling interesting stories with positive outcomes. Warhammer 40K always seemed to me like some massively overdesigned elaboration of chess with an incredibly depressing setting. Which existed primarily to remove all the money from your bank account and replace it with plastic figurines. But you could paint them! For days on end! That's what we like! It's all the fun of a coloring book without having to be associated with five-year-olds!"

When I saw his hat I didn't even bother reading the article.

Hyd wrote:

curran12 wrote:SURE HIS BEEF IS WITH THE VIDEO GAME AND NOT THE TABLETOP

He does speak about the fluff, basically saying he doesn't like it even though he has no clue about it. That's flamebait, of course it attracts virulent replies. I can't see how coming to say "hurr hurr, butthurt, hurr" is more constructive though.

Oh please. We rail on the story of 40k on this very forum all the time. But when an outside person comes and says "it's dumb" it's all the sudden trolling?

Puh-leeze.

Right, I did not include all the possibilities : when you complain gratuitously, you're either stupid or trolling. I'm at least giving him the benefit of the doubt, what with gratuitous rants being his schtick.
Doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would deny it, by the way.

Why he hates 40k I don't know.
But I do know that the more he hates my hobby the more I like it.
I do not mind his review of the game, no game if perfect in my opinion to. But every game has it's story and it's good side, and "Space Marine" was no exception.
However, saying that you hate entire saga just because it doesn't have happy ending is kind off dumb ( he obviously want Emperor to became super pony princess best friend forever with Chaos Gods and that they hold hands all together and go into the sunset ). And also attacking people hobby just because it is less acceptable in society then others ( like gambling ) is just ridiculous. I buy and paint my miniatures because I like it, because it bring me some sort of satisfaction to paint every part perfectly and to enjoy in the results in my work. I am not painting them so that I could play toy solders later with my cat or with child next door.

Seriously, some people these days...

Rrararrgh, he didn't like something I like, he's an idiot and a troll!



Seriously, he makes some good points. I did read the whole article, and I have to agree with him. While I personally did enjoy the game, I'm well-insulated by the fact that I also enjoy the 40k universe enough to ignore everything wrong with it. The characters really didn't have much personality to speak of, and even playing with a controller the movement is clunky (which makes sense, as you're clad in a gigantic suit of power armor). And besides, he didn't even hate the game - he just said it wasn't terrible, but not exactly good, either. Just kind of mediocre.

And he never said he outright hated 40k as a whole. He just said that on the surface, the fluff sounds kind of stupid and way too dark, and (likely without playing it) it looks like chess with our own painted miniatures. Hazard30 even brought it up, Yahtzee says that it's really not a game for him, but he's sure "Warhammer 4 0k is a lovely tabletop strategy game."

TedNugent wrote:I despise that trollish blowhard Yahtzee.

Edit:
This is genius,
"I was an Advanced Dungeons & Dragons kid, you know, all the fantasy stuff that stimulated the creative mind that was actually about telling interesting stories with positive outcomes. Warhammer 40K always seemed to me like some massively overdesigned elaboration of chess with an incredibly depressing setting. Which existed primarily to remove all the money from your bank account and replace it with plastic figurines. But you could paint them! For days on end! That's what we like! It's all the fun of a coloring book without having to be associated with five-year-olds!"

Ironically, I loved coloring books. As an adult with no artistic talent, I like being able to feel creative when I paint.

This is different from other people who don't understand 40k because...?

Yahtzee's whole thing is about hating things. That's it. That's his whole thing, but he still gets me to come back to enjoy his banter in his review vids. Now of course he's reviewed games i like and love, and I didn't go all nerdrage on him because he didn't feel the same about them as I did. Instead I laughed and watched some more of the videos.

If you can't get past one person reviewing a game and a little bit of the story behind it, then idk what to tell you. Go paint some more miniatures til you calm down?

You're getting your undies in a knot over nothing, and just come off as whining about another person's opinion.

TLDR? Don't like it? Don't read it.

I'd like him better if he hated things equally, he hates so much on Nintendo I can't take his actual reviews (non-hateful) seriously.

HAHAHAHAHA, Wh40k a game of chess!!!!!!

That's as far as I'm willing to read or I risk spilling coffee on my computer

hotsauceman1 wrote:Thats yahtzee. He hates everything.

Yep, pretty much. Its when he likes something that we need to get worried

On a side note: I wounder how many Dakkanauts are also Escpaists? I am.

Milisim wrote:Actually most of his reviews of games are 100% accurate...

wether you enjoy the game or not... at the end of the day...... nearly all video games are lacking in ideas, are much to linear or have terrible background stories etc...

Even major award winning titles are pretty lame.

It simply shows the state of video games in general. They are throw away products.. They design them to be this way.

I havent played a fantastic video game in years... Ive played good ones.... but not fantastic...

very true most video games are total crap these days.

the last good one i played was dragon age origins on PC. still waiting for something good.. diablo 3 will be the next thing actually worth playing.

skyrim was a boring piece of junk. no depth- like an all you can eat buffet except the food is bland and boring. maybe if i was 14 i might enjoy it.