There are no Gray Knights that worship Khorne

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**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

So... I heard about the myth that Matt Ward supposedly created Gray Knights that worship Khorne, and I tried to find the place in the codex where they were described, because I had been told that it was in the current codex. I could not find it, and after reading through almost all of it, gave up. Eventually, on 1d4chan, (I confirmed it from the codex) I came across an article about it; it was about a story that I had already read, but had not interpreted to mean that Gray Knights had been corrupted by Khorne.

What actually happens is that Gray Knights kill a temple full of uncorrupted Sisters of Battle to use their blood to shield them from corruption. Gray Knights have never been corrupted. Sisters of Battle have occasionally been corrupted. If the SoB were not corrupted, than the Gray Knights would definitely able to resist being able to be corrupted. Somewhere, someone interpreted this problem to mean that the Gray Knights had therefore been corrupted by Khorne. Now, the number of people who have actually told me and been telling other people that there are Gray Knights that worship Khorne in the 40k canon is ridiculous. I'm not nerd raging over it, but trying to debunk the myth that has led to it.

Please make sure that all replies are civilized.

**Grey Templar**

Rule 1, 4-chan is NOT a place to get information from

The story you describe did happen, but it is severly misinterperted.

There was a planet that was under the influence of the Bloodtide. It is a daemonic infection that takes over your body. you either explode in a shower of gore OR you begin mindless bloodletting.

There was a convent of sisters, some of their members we able to resist the Bloodtide with their purity.

The GKs arrived and found the sisters. The GKs didn't know if they could also proove immune to the Bloodtide. Just because they can't be corrupted won't prevent them from exploding or going crazy, its not en either or deal. Nurgle can still make GKs sick, he just can't make them join him. Same kinda deal with the Bloodtide.

So the GKs killed the Sisters and coated their armor in their blood. This allowed them to avoid the Bloodtide long enough for them to stop it.

Nothing says the Sisters weren't willing sacrifices. There was no malice involved, it just needed to be done. They were probably happy to lay down their lives if it meant stopping the infection.

**Dawi-Marine'Va**

Actually, it's mostly a joke. Nobody that I know takes it seriously, anyway. The reason it's so made fun of is because it sounds SOOOOO stupid, and make almost no sense.

**GreatGunz**

which is all the more reason to believe that Matt Ward could have written it

**Grey Templar**

If you are sufficiently read up on older fluff it makes perfect sense.

Mat Ward made nothing up. This was around long before him, and so was 99% of the other fluff in the GK codex.

**1hadhq**

There are no Gr A y Knights.

But there are Grey Knights who suffered from M.W. ' s inability to create good fluff. So we don't need thred n°9999 about the bloody incident of bloodiness of the blood used to "ward" off the bloody god of slaughter.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

Grey Templar wrote:Rule 1, 4-chan is NOT a place to get information from

The story you describe did happen, but it is severly misinterperted.

There was a planet that was under the influence of the Bloodtide. It is a daemonic infection that takes over your body. you either explode in a shower of gore OR you begin mindless bloodletting.

There was a convent of sisters, some of their members we able to resist the Bloodtide with their purity.

The GKs arrived and found the sisters. The GKs didn't know if they could also proove immune to the Bloodtide. Just because they can't be corrupted won't prevent them from exploding or going crazy, its not en either or deal. Nurgle can still make GKs sick, he just can't make them join him. Same kinda deal with the Bloodtide.

So the GKs killed the Sisters and coated their armor in their blood. This allowed them to avoid the Bloodtide long enough for them to stop it.

Nothing says the Sisters weren't willing sacrifices. There was no malice involved, it just needed to be done. They were probably happy to lay down their lives if it meant stopping the infection.

Thanks for clarifying.

I checked the codex after reading 1d4chan to make sure that it actually happened.

There were people who were actually telling me in full seriousness that there were Gray Knights that worship Khorne.

**Kaldor**

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: Gray Knights have never been corrupted. Sisters of Battle have occasionally been corrupted. If the SoB were not corrupted, than the Gray Knights would definitely able to resist being able to be corrupted.

You're confusing corrupted with infected.

The Chaos gods offer unlimited power. This is attractive to humans, and they will often compromise their ideals in order to gain some of that power.

This is what it means to be corrupted by Chaos. To have willingly done the bidding of the Chaos gods (or Daemons) in return for a reward.

The Bloodtide was totally different. It was an infections substance that poisoned anyone it touched. But it could be warded against! Unfortunately one of the ingredients for that ward was the blood of innocent people.

Now, the language used to describe the incident is ambiguous, because corrupted has many meanings.

**Kroothawk**

If some Grey Knights face a Khorne daemon and join him killing innocent allies and celebrating a blood rite, I know what to think of them.

**mayfist**

And heeeeere we go.

Sit back and grab drinks and popcorn Dakka, we have our weekly ( if not daily ? ) wardfluff hate fest incoming.

**motyak**

Kroothawk wrote:If some Grey Knights face a Khorne daemon and join him killing innocent allies and celebrating a blood rite, I know what to think of them.

how is ending a rite celebrating it?

**blood reaper**

1hadhq wrote:There are no Gr A y Knights.

But there are Grey Knights who suffered from M.W. ' s inability to create good fluff. So we don't need thred n°9999 about the bloody incident of bloodiness of the blood used to "ward" off the bloody god of slaughter.

I believe in America the word Grey is spelled with an A.

**Iranna**

1hadhq wrote:There are no Gr A y Knights.

But there are Grey Knights who suffered from M.W. ' s inability to create good fluff. So we don't need thred n°9999 about the bloody incident of bloodiness of the blood used to "ward" off the bloody god of slaughter.

American English differs from "Proper" English in many of its word's spellings. Gray is one of such words.

And Grey Templar gave a pretty good rationale as to why such a thing would happen, I agree whole-heartedly.

Iranna.

**Kovnik Obama**

The title of this thread made me laugh, thanx!

But yeah, it seems that Grey Knights routinely acts outside of Imperial norms. They slaughter entire regiments for having helped them won battles on 'what if' scenarios. This is in no way beyond the normal scope of their actions. Of course that doesn't mean that story couldn't have been weaved a bit differently, and more convincingly. For exemple, making it heavily implied the Sisters were okay with it, or even, were the one suggesting it.

**AlmightyWalrus**

blood reaper wrote:
1hadhq wrote:There are no Gr A y Knights.

But there are Grey Knights who suffered from M.W. ' s inability to create good fluff. So we don't need thred n°9999 about the bloody incident of bloodiness of the blood used to "ward" off the bloody god of slaughter.

I believe in America the word Grey is spelled with an A.

I believe in America the army is still called the Grey Knights.

**Dawi-Marine'Va**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
blood reaper wrote:
1hadhq wrote:There are no Gr A y Knights.

But there are Grey Knights who suffered from M.W. ' s inability to create good fluff. So we don't need thred n°9999 about the bloody incident of bloodiness of the blood used to "ward" off the bloody god of slaughter.

I believe in America the word Grey is spelled with an A.

I believe in America the army is still called the Grey Knights.

I've seen it used both ways over here~

**Wyrmalla**

^^ The Khorne bit on 1d4 chan's referring solely to just how silly the whole concept is. If a normal marine were to slay a convent of sisters just to save themselves then they'd probably be regarded as heretics by the church, thus why people call out this little bit of nonsence by calling the Knights Khornante. Grey Knights apparently never fall to Chaos (always with the absolutes is Ward), as nor has a single Sister ever fallen either. However writers have the right to be creative, thus why there's numerous stories in established fluff-ie the Epharael Stern comics-, so if some writer decides to come along and create a character called say "The Black Knight" (originality abounds), one of the few every Grey Knights to beat their indoctrination and question their faith, then who's to question it. ....Oh wait neckbeards. ....Neckbeards. =D

**Milisim**

The only good GK titled thread is the one about how they all died.

Oh wait..... NM

**Grey Templar**

Dawi-Marine'Va wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
blood reaper wrote:
1hadhq wrote:There are no Gr A y Knights.

But there are Grey Knights who suffered from M.W. ' s inability to create good fluff. So we don't need thred n°9999 about the bloody incident of bloodiness of the blood used to "ward" off the bloody god of slaughter.

I believe in America the word Grey is spelled with an A.

I believe in America the army is still called the Grey Knights.
I've seen it used both ways over here~

Either is technically correct, but the accepted spelling is Grey.

Gray just looks wierd.

**SagesStone**

Actually the no GK falling to Chaos has always been that way. One sister has been known to have fallen and is apparently quite dangerous; though no doubt with how they're seemingly portrayed like guard in the background some more will have appeared to have "fallen" (mind control doesn't count as submission and actual falling to chaos).

Miriael Sabathiel is the only SoB who has willingly turned to Chaos. To Slaanesh of course since it has a thing for corrupting the more pure warriors, enjoying watching them become corrupted.

**1hadhq**

Grey Templar wrote:
Dawi-Marine'Va wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
blood reaper wrote:
1hadhq wrote:There are no Gr A y Knights.

But there are Grey Knights who suffered from M.W. ' s inability to create good fluff. So we don't need thred n°9999 about the bloody incident of bloodiness of the blood used to "ward" off the bloody god of slaughter.

I believe in America the word Grey is spelled with an A.

I believe in America the army is still called the Grey Knights.
I've seen it used both ways over here~

Either is technically correct, but the accepted spelling is Grey.

Gray just looks wierd.

Understood

**Durza**

motyak wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:If some Grey Knights face a Khorne daemon and join him killing innocent allies and celebrating a blood rite, I know what to think of them.

how is ending a rite celebrating it?

How is murdering people who consider you their allies and then covering yourself in their blood ending a blood rite? Coincidentally, followers of Khorne tend to do the exact same thing. Of course, there's no connection... or so they'd have you believe.

**Omegus**

The Sisters were doomed anyway, for failing to prevent the rite from happening in the first place. At least this way they were useful.

And again, we have to contend with Ward's gakky, ambiguous writing style. We don't know that it was murder, the Sisters could have given their lives willingly. It's certainly in their character.

**Durza**

Alternatively, the Sisters could have been gaining the upper hand in a battle, and the Knights decided to kill them and Leeroy Jenkins their way to victory. There's just no way of knowing.

**Omegus**

Which one is more likely? There's your answer.

**Nurgle**

Grey Templar wrote:Rule 1, 4-chan is NOT a place to get information from

The story you describe did happen, but it is severly misinterperted.

There was a planet that was under the influence of the Bloodtide. It is a daemonic infection that takes over your body. you either explode in a shower of gore OR you begin mindless bloodletting.

There was a convent of sisters, some of their members we able to resist the Bloodtide with their purity.

The GKs arrived and found the sisters. The GKs didn't know if they could also proove immune to the Bloodtide. Just because they can't be corrupted won't prevent them from exploding or going crazy, its not en either or deal. Nurgle can still make GKs sick, he just can't make them join him. Same kinda deal with the Bloodtide.

So the GKs killed the Sisters and coated their armor in their blood. This allowed them to avoid the Bloodtide long enough for them to stop it.
14d4cchan and 4chan
Know the diffrence. We get this "4chan" crap alot and it really is starting to tick me off. I am sorry but dude look at the content of the two. One is about 40k and one is about..... well random pictures.
Nothing says the Sisters weren't willing sacrifices. There was no malice involved, it just needed to be done. They were probably happy to lay down their lives if it meant stopping the infection.

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Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:So... I heard about the myth that Matt Ward supposedly created Gray Knights that worship Khorne, and I tried to find the place in the codex where they were described, because I had been told that it was in the current codex. I could not find it, and after reading through almost all of it, gave up. Eventually, on 1d4chan, (I confirmed it from the codex) I came across an article about it; it was about a story that I had already read, but had not interpreted to mean that Gray Knights had been corrupted by Khorne.

What actually happens is that Gray Knights kill a temple full of uncorrupted Sisters of Battle to use their blood to shield them from corruption. Gray Knights have never been corrupted. Sisters of Battle have occasionally been corrupted. If the SoB were not corrupted, than the Gray Knights would definitely able to resist being able to be corrupted. Somewhere, someone interpreted this problem to mean that the Gray Knights had therefore been corrupted by Khorne. Now, the number of people who have actually told me and been telling other people that there are Gray Knights that worship Khorne in the 40k canon is ridiculous. I'm not nerd raging over it, but trying to debunk the myth that has led to it.

Please make sure that all replies are civilized.

Yes this is from a old story about holy knights called in to save a village from a rising demon. The knights use the blood of virgin women to remain pure from the demons taint.
Thank you for saying 1d4chan and not 4chan

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Grey Templar wrote:Rule 1, 4-chan is NOT a place to get information from

The story you describe did happen, but it is severly misinterperted.

There was a planet that was under the influence of the Bloodtide. It is a daemonic infection that takes over your body. you either explode in a shower of gore OR you begin mindless bloodletting.

There was a convent of sisters, some of their members we able to resist the Bloodtide with their purity.

The GKs arrived and found the sisters. The GKs didn't know if they could also proove immune to the Bloodtide. Just because they can't be corrupted won't prevent them from exploding or going crazy, its not en either or deal. Nurgle can still make GKs sick, he just can't make them join him. Same kinda deal with the Bloodtide.

So the GKs killed the Sisters and coated their armor in their blood. This allowed them to avoid the Bloodtide long enough for them to stop it.

Nothing says the Sisters weren't willing sacrifices. There was no malice involved, it just needed to be done. They were probably happy to lay down their lives if it meant stopping the infection.

Yes but it says that the grey knights are PURE and untaintable. So why would they need the blood? Just because we discussed this on our page dose not mean it is incorrect. Oh and notice we said 1d4chan. We are not even a part of 4chan. We actualy make fun of 4chan for being where everything is sent to death on the internet.
The Khornate Knights thing is from a random page edit that has been removed and the IP has been banned

Just count how many times it says that they are "pure" and "untaintable" in the codex.

**Omegus**

Nurgle wrote:Yes but it says that the grey knights are PURE and untaintable. So why would they need the blood?

The distinction between spiritual and physical corruption has been covered at least 8 bajillion times. Not sure if trolling?

**squidhills**

Durza wrote:Alternatively, the Sisters could have been gaining the upper hand in a battle, and the Knights decided to kill them and Leeroy Jenkins their way to victory. There's just no way of knowing.

Omegus wrote:Which one is more likely? There's your answer.

Given the hamfisted, over the top, turned to 11, AWESEOME!!!!111 the rest of the codex is written in? I'm going with Leeroy Jenkins.

**Pilau Rice**

Codex: Chaos p41
The Black Sorceries of Daemomancy rely upon certain elements, some physical, others spiritual. The offering of these components in correct quantities and order is Daemomancy . Blood, sweat, hair, bone, fear, loathing and hatred are the Ingredienta Majoris, common to all conjurations and summonings. Dependant on the Nefarious Power to be be entreated, certain Ingredienta Minoris will also be required.

So lets have a look.

Blood, check.
Sweat, more than likely.
Hair, unlikely the sisters were bald, unlike me.
Bone, hopefully a given.
Fear, the Sisters probably shat themselves when the Grey Knights started killing them.
Loathing, in Chaos, probably.
Hatred, against Chaos, yup.

Blood Sacrifice to appease Khorne to let the Grey Knights live, check. Khornate Grey Knights lol.

Not serious at all, i'm on the no Grey Knight has ever fallen wagon, but Wards writing for the GK Codex IS bad.

**Hunterindarkness**

Dawi-Marine'Va wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
blood reaper wrote:
1hadhq wrote:There are no Gr A y Knights.

But there are Grey Knights who suffered from M.W. ' s inability to create good fluff. So we don't need thred n°9999 about the bloody incident of bloodiness of the blood used to "ward" off the bloody god of slaughter.

I believe in America the word Grey is spelled with an A.

I believe in America the army is still called the Grey Knights.
I've seen it used both ways over here~

Agreed. I have seen it Spelled both Grey and Gray. If you notice Spell check does not list Gay as a misspelling. Gray is the preferred American spelling of the word and was a common spelling of the word in the UK up until the later Half of the last century.. Both Grey and Gray are correct spellings.

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Grey Templar wrote:

Mat Ward made nothing up. This was around long before him, and so was 99% of the other fluff in the GK codex.

I have seen this many times, It seems to be a rule that if Matt Wards name is upon a book then it is bad and he is to blame for everything ever, even stuff he had no hand in.