Double Power Fists

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**Brother Axel**

Question:

If I take a model with a set of Power Fists, are all attacks resolved at STR 8/ INT 1?

If this is the case, that would theoretically mean a Chapter Master with a Set of Power Fists gets 3 attacks base, plus 1 on the charge and plus 1 for having a Set of weapons, right?

So that would be 5 attacks resolved at STR 8.
That's pretty intense and unforgiving... assuming the answer to my question is yes.

Thanks!

**Hereticdave**

Strength 8, unless your chapter master is strength 5? And yes you get an extra attack for a pair of powerfists, wether or not a chapter master can take two powerfists however is another question. My space marine codex is currently elluding me.

**Brother Axel**

Hereticdave wrote:Strength 8, unless your chapter master is strength 5? And yes you get an extra attack for a pair of powerfists, wether or not a chapter master can take two powerfists however is another question. My space marine codex is currently elluding me.

OOPS! Of course, STR 8 *derp*

Updated first post, thanks. ^-^

EDIT: Just checked my Codex again, and yeah, a Chapter Master can take a Set of Power Fists. however, he cannot take Terminator Armour as well. So, it's either Terminator armour without or Artificer armour with.
Either way, it sure is a tempting concept.

**DeathReaper**

Just give him one Power Fist, as the second power fist is generally too expensive just to give him 1 more attack in CC.

With one Power Fist all attacks are resolved at Str 8/ Init 1

so 3 attacks base, plus 1 on the charge all at Str 8/ Init 1

**Brother Axel**

DeathReaper wrote:Just give him one Power Fist, as the second power fist is generally too expensive just to give him 1 more attack in CC.

With one Power Fist all attacks are resolved at Str 8/ Init 1

so 3 attacks base, plus 1 on the charge all at Str 8/ Init 1

Hrm, I can see how 25 PTS for 1 extra attack could be expensive... But I can also see it coming in quite handy.
Downing an enemy HQ in one round of CC would be a real benefit. I might give one of my options a Set of Power Fists and test it some time, just to see how it plays. ^-^

**Lightcavalier**

If you want a pair of power fists...just take Calgar.

Also look at it this way....Chapter master has 3 wounds and will be going at I1. He has, lets say 2+/4++ save.
There are a great deal of things which can go wrong before I1.

**juraigamer**

I run a vanilla captain with dual power fists and artificer armor (plus digital weapons if I've got the points) and he does quite well in all situations, since he's my iron hands captain.

I tend to put him in units that could use more deterrent or with a command squad that is rocking lots of power weapons.

**Deadshot**

Lemme just bounce a quick qiestion around. If a model has a Chainfist and Powerfist does he get +1 attack for having 2 PF?

**nosferatu1001**

No, because a chainfist is not a powerfist.

While it starts off as a powerfist, it then alters the rules for a powerfist

**Deadshot**

I believe it does as Chainfists "are treated as PF but roll 2D6 for armour penetration." Quoted from'dex.

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Sorry gyou.got between by added post and the original.

**Chrysis**

Deadshot wrote:I believe it does as Chainfists "are treated as PF but roll 2D6 for armour penetration." Quoted from'dex.

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Sorry gyou.got between by added post and the original.

You'd be wrong then. A Chainfist is different from a Powerfist, so if you have one of each you have two different special weapons and can't claim the bonus attack.

**Lordhat**

Chrysis wrote:
Deadshot wrote:I believe it does as Chainfists "are treated as PF but roll 2D6 for armour penetration." Quoted from'dex.

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Sorry gyou.got between by added post and the original.

You'd be wrong then. A Chainfist is different from a Powerfist, so if you have one of each you have two different special weapons and can't claim the bonus attack.

While technically this is correct, is reality I doubt you'd find an opponent who would begrudge you the +1 attack, vs Infantry, although Vs. a vehicle you may run into resistance.

**Chrysis**

I would begrudge you wanting to ignore the rules because you don't like them. It's not like it's a grey area, it's pretty plainly written that you don't get the bonus with two different special weapons.

**G00fySmiley**

Lightcavalier wrote:If you want a pair of power fists...just take Calgar.

Also look at it this way....Chapter master has 3 wounds and will be going at I1. He has, lets say 2+/4++ save.
There are a great deal of things which can go wrong before I1.

calgar is awesome partially for eternal warrior, if you are putting that many points into a model I highly suggest it

as an ork player if I see a 200+ model to throw my nob's attacks at without eternal warrior...

ws 4 on 6 hittign on 4's, 4 attacks on the charge, 50% hit, 2 hit, wounds on 2's so likely 2 wounds(83%), 4+ inv save so 1 save at 50%, and one dead chapter master... but grats on taking out 5 boys (30 points) with ya

**shamroll**

on the note of powerfists; if I have a strength 4 character with furious charge and assault, do the attacks resolve at strength 9 or 10

**Chrysis**

Detailed on Page 7 but it's exactly the same way you do it normally with maths, multiply before addition.

**nosferatu1001**

With the notable exception of Hammerhand, which breaks the normal rules for mathematics

**Cheex**

nosferatu1001 wrote:With the notable exception of Hammerhand, which breaks the normal rules for mathematics

And Thunderwolves.

**G00fySmiley**

shamroll wrote:on the note of powerfists; if I have a strength 4 character with furious charge and assault, do the attacks resolve at strength 9 or 10

str 9, str 4 x 2 +1

same reason a deffcopta with a buzzsaw is only str 7

str7 str 3 x 2 +1

**PapaPiggy**

Brb Says if you bring 2 power fists you gain the extra attack for close combat weapons. Space marines codex says the chain fist is a power fist that rolls 2d6 armor pen. So yes a chain fist and a power fist are one and the same. BRB (at least the little one) doesn't have rules for chain fists and doesn't classify them as anything. You'd just have to decide which weapon you will use and you get the extra attack with a chain fist power fist combo.

**Marine_With_Heart**

What is this mathematical flaw that the hammerhead and thunderwolves are able to break in terms of the equations?

**grendel083**

A chainfist might follow most of the rules for a powerfist, but they are not the same (fluff doesn't count for rules).
Thunderhammers use the rules for powerfists (+extra rules), but again are not powerfists. You wouldn't expect to equip a thunderhammer and chainfist combo and expect an extra attack would you?

**liturgies of blood**

Cheexsta wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:With the notable exception of Hammerhand, which breaks the normal rules for mathematics

And Thunderwolves.

Thunderwolves alter your base stat so it still goes by normal math.

**Thortek**

You do not get the extra attack for PF+ CF as they are not the same special weapon.

**rigeld2**

Marine_With_Heart wrote:What is this mathematical flaw that the hammerhead and thunderwolves are able to break in terms of the equations?

It's just hammerhand... but mathematically you're supposed to multiply then add, but Hammerhand explicitly adds then multiplies.

**nosferatu1001**

PapaPiggy wrote:Brb Says if you bring 2 power fists you gain the extra attack for close combat weapons. Space marines codex says the chain fist is a power fist that rolls 2d6 armor pen. So yes a chain fist and a power fist are one and the same. BRB (at least the little one) doesn't have rules for chain fists and doesn't classify them as anything. You'd just have to decide which weapon you will use and you get the extra attack with a chain fist power fist combo.

No, as you have already been told - they are different Special CCW. A chainfist is NOT a powerfist

**dkellyj**

I made a dude with 2 Thunder Hammers once. He gets real nasty when teamed up in a Vulkan list (Master Craft THs).

**Lordhat**

dkellyj wrote:I made a dude with 2 Thunder Hammers once. He gets real nasty when teamed up in a Vulkan list (Master Craft THs).

Exactly one attack more nasty than when teamed up with Vulkan and wielding only one TH......

**Kevlar**

rigeld2 wrote:
Marine_With_Heart wrote:What is this mathematical flaw that the hammerhead and thunderwolves are able to break in terms of the equations?

It's just hammerhand... but mathematically you're supposed to multiply then add, but Hammerhand explicitly adds then multiplies.

Its Mat Ward math.

**evildrspock**

Kevlar wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
Marine_With_Heart wrote:What is this mathematical flaw that the hammerhead and thunderwolves are able to break in terms of the equations?

It's just hammerhand... but mathematically you're supposed to multiply then add, but Hammerhand explicitly adds then multiplies.

Its Mat Ward math.

I called a GK player for doing that, saying that you always multiply first via BGB.

Oops, if the skill says explicitly to add first.

I didn't want to be an arse.