Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Dysartes wrote:
If 30k isn't selling as well as they thought, I can think of 3 possibilities:
1, Their predictions were pants-on-head stupid
B, People haven't been able to get hold of the kits they want thanks to the warehouse issues
iii, Kits people want to buy haven't been made yet (Breachers/Assault troops/Despoilers), so they haven't spent money on them.

None of those are the fault of the game itself, merely GW's approach to supporting the game (or wider GW issues).

Definitely iii, as long as there is no visibility regarding plastic infantry choice, HH seems like a risky investment.

I don't care about super heavies not making the cut to plastic, but the Javelin is a very bad (and unexpected) move.

I understand their approach to drawn out release for HH as , as they want people to slowly spend their money, but the tanks focus for the last few months was a really poor marketing move.

Hopefully the Cthonia book will be accompanied by Assault and Breacher troops, which are the really glaringly missing elements of the plastic range.

 Dysartes wrote:
If 30k isn't selling as well as they thought, I can think of 3 possibilities:
1, Their predictions were pants-on-head stupid
B, People haven't been able to get hold of the kits they want thanks to the warehouse issues
iii, Kits people want to buy haven't been made yet (Breachers/Assault troops/Despoilers), so they haven't spent money on them.

None of those are the fault of the game itself, merely GW's approach to supporting the game (or wider GW issues).

The only thing suggestive that Heresy isn’t selling seems to be wishful thinking.

Not calling anyone out here, but those making the claims seem really, really vested in it being the case.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I don't understand why people are writing off HH because of this. It would have been nice to get these kits in full plastic soon, but for now it is a very low effort required move to add a few options and probably save some money by GW. There was mentions of more plastic infantry coming, and a rumor of some Knights moving over to plastic. A Cerastus Knight kit and variants could eat some of the big vehicle HH release budget for now.

I on the other hand can understand it very well. It is the same procedure when the Old World blew up and the AoS crowd taunted the Warhammer players: Pure pettiness.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Everyone: "Enough! No more plastic tanks!"

*Monkey's Paw curls one finger*

As someone who largely wasn't interested in the tanks, this is fine. We got a majority of the vehicle range in plastic with just a few stand outs - the really big buys - now in resin. No problem.

If anything, them taking a wide-swing and hitting so many kits at once gives me hope. Feels like the sort of thing they'd get "out of the way" now that they want to move onto other things, such as infantry. Primarily because the previous release rate would've definitely drawn every single piece of this out into an individual release.

I guess the following weeks will tell for sure.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
If 30k isn't selling as well as they thought, I can think of 3 possibilities:
1, Their predictions were pants-on-head stupid
B, People haven't been able to get hold of the kits they want thanks to the warehouse issues
iii, Kits people want to buy haven't been made yet (Breachers/Assault troops/Despoilers), so they haven't spent money on them.

None of those are the fault of the game itself, merely GW's approach to supporting the game (or wider GW issues).

The only thing suggestive that Heresy isn’t selling seems to be wishful thinking.

Not calling anyone out here, but those making the claims seem really, really vested in it being the case.

I think once again people misinterpreted what I said...

I suggested that their FORECASTING of how well 30k WOULD sell was off.

This would explain the resin upgrade for the despoilers, the Javelins not moving to plastic, and the otherwise slow release for plastic troop options. These things have been designed for a long time, because we know that GW work years in advance of the release of models.

Someone, a couple years ago, said "hey, maybe we should slow down on the full plastic. If these things don't sell well, it'll be egg on our face" and a few people said "ok, so what should we keep resin?" and they picked a couple things that they figured wouldn't sell well YEARS IN THE FUTURE and went with that.

Are things different now? Yeah, probably, especially considering how often things have been sold out and haven't made it back into stock, or are only in stock for short periods of time. Is it too late to change those forecasts from years ago? Dunno, tough to say. We still haven't gotten quite a few things in plastic, but getting some of these half-measures as of late has me a little concerned for the future. Or maybe GW is just getting the half-resin half-arsed half-measures out of the way to make room for the stuff people have been waiting for.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
If 30k isn't selling as well as they thought, I can think of 3 possibilities:
1, Their predictions were pants-on-head stupid
B, People haven't been able to get hold of the kits they want thanks to the warehouse issues
iii, Kits people want to buy haven't been made yet (Breachers/Assault troops/Despoilers), so they haven't spent money on them.

None of those are the fault of the game itself, merely GW's approach to supporting the game (or wider GW issues).

The only thing suggestive that Heresy isn’t selling seems to be wishful thinking.

Not calling anyone out here, but those making the claims seem really, really vested in it being the case.

My anecdotal evidence is that I sell a lot more Painted HH armies than I do Painted 40k Armies.

People can get a feel of what's happening in terms of sales. How their scene is. How difficult it is to find an item (my personal measure. I can't get my 40k stuff, can get my Heresy stuff), what people are saying in their online bubbles. It's all totally subjective though and lacking most of the data needed for even very tepid confirmation - units produced, local variation, sales expectation, production / distribution problems beyond GW control etc etc.

Everyone locally complains about availability of plastics.

The non-FW forgeworlds are working day/night on the other hand....

I still prefer official stuff, but at this point imma bout to say "fuggggittttt"

Racerguy180 wrote:
Everyone locally complains about availability of plastics.

The non-FW forgeworlds are working day/night on the other hand....

I still prefer official stuff, but at this point imma bout to say "fuggggittttt"

Do it. GW dropped the ball hard, and the 3rd party market is infinitely better. More options covering damn near everything you want, and all competitive with the price point GW set of $80 for 20 guys.

I have a Saturn 8k that I've been waiting to grab a wash/cure station for and start using.



So I'm 90% there...

How does an 8k compare to a 4k? (Mars or one of the other popular 4k)

Dunno, haven't used it yet

Next batch of Dread bodies is coming:

Well, at least they're getting through them quickly, and not bogging down Heresy Thursdays with them.

IMHO, what makes a Legion, a Legion? The tanks or the marines? For me, it is the marines. They are the flavor of the Legion. Without the marine models, you can't make your Legion. Sure, everyone has bolter marines but when your Legion is known for jumping into combat you want Assault marines, you want despoiler, etc. when your Legion is known for void warfare, you want breachers too. The tanks are great, but are a big point investment in an army. The marine models are the bread and butter of your force.

I think April could potentially be a big month for HH, or a very disappointing one, especially with warhammerfest at the end. We now have all / almost all of the tanks. The way I see it they can release more tanks, but they'll be big the impressive stuff (great, very unlikely), they can start the infantry (great, idk how likely), they can fill the month with nonsense releases (terrible, likely), and then at warhammerfest they can do something really big like a new box or a range of small / intermediate boxes (great, idk how likely) or have it be a non-event for HH (terrible, idk how likely).

My personal prediction is that we’ll see a m6 despoiler or assault squad box around the drop of the new campaign book. I feel this way because the Cthonia book is introducing inductii as a unit for all legions, and it’d be in keeping with what is essentially a mass market cannon fodder squad to give give us a flexible box of foddery melee types. Which can be upgraded to be less foddery units with a power weapon upgrsde sprue.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see it come in a boxed set. Didn’t the Valbeck(sp), the guy whose source has been spot on for a few years, mention there was another HH boxed set with melee infantry coming this summer? Or am I off my rocker.

So we're done with legion upgrades and dreadnoughts. Now we move on to Legion tank commanders!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/06/heresy-thursday-unlock-the-power-of-armoured-spearheads-with-new-legion-tank-commanders/

 Snrub wrote:
So we're done with legion upgrades and dreadnoughts. Now we move on to Legion tank commanders!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/06/heresy-thursday-unlock-the-power-of-armoured-spearheads-with-new-legion-tank-commanders/

I mean, you get 18 of them, so you just need a few legs and that's basically two entire squads of infantry right there

Is anyone really surprised, given that they basically showed it off at Adepticon?

More resin. They’re kind of ugly, too. I guess the SoH dude is okay, but a flag??

 Snord wrote:
More resin. They’re kind of ugly, too. I guess the SoH dude is okay, but a flag??

Shades of Grizmund!

No shoulder pads? But why...? Everyone knows they could shrink to fit any hatchway

oh man
and here i was hoping for something that has actual substance and couldn't be done with normal kits already decent enough.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Is anyone really surprised, given that they basically showed it off at Adepticon?

It confirms another Valrak rumour too.

Legion Hubcaps inbound.

 Theophony wrote:
Legion Hubcaps inbound.

Legion Hubcaps, Legion Spinners, Legion underfloor lights, Legion sound-system (removed once people remarked it was actually useful for EC).

They're surely not going to do those for each legion. Why are they not generic? Or at least loyalist/traitor?

 The Phazer wrote:
They're surely not going to do those for each legion. Why are they not generic? Or at least loyalist/traitor?

These two specific ones exist because they're representatives of the two Legions in the current campaign book. Presumably, with future campaign books, we'll get additional pairs of stuff like this.

 The Phazer wrote:
They're surely not going to do those for each legion. Why are they not generic? Or at least loyalist/traitor?

WarCom wrote:Any Legion can take the Decurion Locus and Decurion Defensors. ... The two headline factions in The Siege of Cthonia each get their own unique Decurion miniatures – the Decurion Lanius for the Sons of Horus and the Decurion Sagittar for the Imperial Fists.

It sounds like there's 2 generic (that might share a model) and these 2 faction-locked ones for the campaign book.