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 CoreCommander wrote:
I wish GW would do second and third printing so these ebay scalpers would end either with too many boxes that they couldn't sell or with no one buying from them 'cause it will be available for the regular price. I don't care about the sisters, but this non-retailer reseller practice it abhorrent...

Not going to happen GW love the scalpers they keep customers on there toes, they provide an appearance of demand even on less desirable products and ensure that stuff released on GW's web site sells out in minutes which looks good. The high ebay prices also reinforce GWs belief that there armani/Ferrari and make GWs prices look reasonable. Scalpers take some of the heat off GW as well as people get annoyed at them for buying stuff rather than GW for only making 2500 copies. There are no downsides to scalpers as far as GW are concerned.

Daston wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 kaiserjez wrote:
Limited to one per customer account. A lot of these scalpers have multiple accounts.

Can't see many scalpers having had the opportunity to get a lot of orders in though, given the website issues and how quickly it sold out. (Stretching my powers of optimism here.)
Still, shift one box at 250% of the price and you've got yourself a nice Christmas bonus I suppose. There is little anyone can do about that, aside from not buying from scalpers...

There were around 20 up for £300 within seconds of it selling out in the UK.

Any with several from the same seller though?
I don't doubt there are a few dozen people getting a set just to re-sell it at an inflated price. I was mainly saying that I doubt many got more than 1 or perhaps 2 when ordering direct from GW (1 per order, slow servers, website even crashing and sold out after 13 minutes).

 ImAGeek wrote:

 inflatablefriend wrote:
Saw this in my feed earlier, but it just goes to a 404 / dead link...

Anyone managed to read it yesterday?

http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?/topic/270915-epingl%C3%A9-soeurs-de-bataille/&do=findComment&comment=3425380

thanks

Great cover - so was it posted early or something?

 ImAGeek wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I like the Codex cover.

Yeah. I like the limited one, but the standard one is much better than I expected. They seem to be moving away from the really digital single character pieces from 6th-7th that they kept reusing (with this and the Space Marine one), which I really wasn’t a fan of.

Agreed on all counts except maybe I am not so impressed by the limited edition cover. The standard edition cover is outstanding.

 Manchu wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I like the Codex cover.

Yeah. I like the limited one, but the standard one is much better than I expected. They seem to be moving away from the really digital single character pieces from 6th-7th that they kept reusing (with this and the Space Marine one), which I really wasn’t a fan of.

Agreed on all counts except maybe I am not so impressed by the limited edition cover. The standard edition cover is outstanding.

It really is. I saw it and thought ‘am I going to need to get the standard edition too..?’

Could the limited number of these boxes be down to the sheer amount of stuff GW are releasing these days?

I remember the days when we had to wait maybe three months between codexes.

The number of releases over the last two months is astonishing by comparison.

On the other hand I see the lack of separate releases for stuff such as Arch Regent ...surely they should have been able.to do another run of such models?

 Souleater wrote:
Could the limited number of these boxes be down to the sheer amount of stuff GW are releasing these days?

I remember the days when we had to wait maybe three months between codexes.

The number of releases over the last two months is astonishing by comparison.

On the other hand I see the lack of separate releases for stuff such as Arch Regent ...surely they should have been able.to do another run of such models?

Maybe they should stop churning out Primaris Lts etc?

There is an awful lot of stuff coming out all the time to be fair.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I like the Codex cover.

I really like the image at the top with the big golden statue and the large assembly of Sisters. Gave me chills.

that link wrote:While the contents of the Army Set are specific to this particular box. . .

What does that mean exactly?

See, this is the thing that really gets me in all of this. We can say for sure that that print of the Codex with the particular cover that comes in the box is exclusive & hence limited*, but the models (what I am really interested in); their 'limited' status is really unclear. I've seen peopl say it will abously be in a SC box one day, and others saying; 'no, it's all limited to this box'. I just don't feel like I, as a consumer, can make a properly informed decision. It's GWs prerogative, sure, but it just irks me I guess.

*Which is all that is required for the above quote to be technically true.

 inflatablefriend wrote:
Saw this in my feed earlier, but it just goes to a 404 / dead link...

Anyone managed to read it yesterday?

Was this originally posted on the Community site?
Did they take it down?

For disappointed SOB fans who didn’t get to pre-order a copy, here a several points of consolation:

First, if you are angry ... well you are right to be angry. On top of years of shadowy rumors and lame excuses and worrying whether plastic Sororitas would ever be a thing or whether, if they would ever be released at all, they might be totally unrecognizable, GW decided to tease you for an entire year just to frustrate you now. Being mad about this is definitely a reasonable response.

Second, although this may seem to contradict my first point, keep in mind that GW is no longer run by morons or at least no longer exclusively run by morons. Plastic Sororitas happened because (1) GW bothered to ask their customers what we wanted and (2) GW actually listened to what we told them. And guess what, it was obviously a huge success for them. So not only do we finally get plastic Sororitas but their arrival happens to also prove to GW that being responsive to customers will lead to great sales. That means that our beloved girls may have a bright future ahead of them.

Third, along those lines, keep in mind that apart from a book cover, you will be able to get everything in this limited box — maybe not the exact same sculpts but that is not necessarily a bad thing. The ltd ed sculpts don’t seem as versatile as what you will get in the regular boxes. And TBH the most exclusive model in the ltd ed box, the Canoness, is probably the worst one. The regular release Canoness is much better. And arguably the regular dex cover is better than the ltd ed one. I get being a completionist about these things, of course.

Fourth, some of you, like me, have endured for over a decade dumbasses telling you that your favorite faction would be and, worse yet, should be squatted because no one likes them and they would never sell. Well, here we are, dear friends. The problem we have now is they sold way, way too well.

That's the entire point of Fear Of Missing Out. But the point of that is also to sell a ton of stuff which doesn't apply here since the stock was so small.

It's really a weird decision from GW. That being said, I'm fairly certain these "limited release" minis will resurface in a year or so either separately or in a start collecting set.

 Souleater wrote:
Could the limited number of these boxes be down to the sheer amount of stuff GW are releasing these days?

I remember the days when we had to wait maybe three months between codexes.

The number of releases over the last two months is astonishing by comparison.

On the other hand I see the lack of separate releases for stuff such as Arch Regent ...surely they should have been able.to do another run of such models?

The limited number is a throw back to the old army boxes they used to do when they released an army - it had a selection of the new stuff and a limited edition model in it which where highly collectable [I have the limited edition lictor with the folded talons for example]. I think this set was the same thing - a special set in advance of the full range, not the basis for the full range. So its more going back to their history rather than just a marketing ploy [or a historical marketing ploy]. The main kits will probably fill the start collecting, maybe the cannoness will be limited but I'm not sure how feasible that is with plastic and the investment that goes into them.
If its widely available its no longer special -hence the limited release. I know it sucks not to get one but that's the nature of it. Most of the content will be out next year and the multipart look amazing.

The regular codex cover looks amazing too.

 xKillGorex wrote:
So missed out on a set myself but wasn’t totally sold on that box as can wait for the full release in a few months. But as a side note Anvil industry have their not sob range out next week or so.

As a Kickstarter backer, I can attest that the Gothic Armoured Nuns are great. Their Archangel is a lovely model and it may persuade me to buy Death when it goes retail.

My only issue with the range is my complete inability to work with resin models and superglue without ending up in a permanent Vulcan salute.

 Jadenim wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Many'a moons ago they released a very limited new edition of Space Hulk that sold out pretty quickly.

Then they 'found' some more in the warehouse. Twice.

Maybe we'll get lucky.

It could be that they did secret additional runs, but I think it’s more likely that they had a buy back from local stores and redistributed the stock on line. I’d expect them to do the same here (assuming there are any local copies that don’t immediately get snapped up!)

About two years back I picked one of those up that'd been on the shelf at my local FLGS since it opened. This sounds about right.

Also don't forget that GW also sells through distributors (far as I'm aware) and they will buy up very big bulk orders of stock to ship out to 3rd party stores. So there could well be a lot sitting in warehouses that GW could buyback or get back for redistribution.

 Manchu wrote:
For disappointed SOB fans who didn’t get to pre-order a copy, here a several points of consolation:

First, if you are angry ... well you are right to be angry. On top of years of shadowy rumors and lame excuses and worrying whether plastic Sororitas would ever be a thing or whether, if they would ever be released at all, they might be totally unrecognizable, GW decided to tease you for an entire year just to frustrate you now. Being mad about this is definitely a reasonable response.

Second, although this may seem to contradict my first point, keep in mind that GW is no longer run by morons or at least no longer exclusively run by morons. Plastic Sororitas happened because (1) GW bothered to ask their customers what we wanted and (2) GW actually listened to what we told them. And guess what, it was obviously a huge success for them. So not only do we finally get plastic Sororitas but their arrival happens to also prove to GW that being responsive to customers will lead to great sales. That means that our beloved girls may have a bright future ahead of them.

Third, along those lines, keep in mind that apart from a book cover, you will be able to get everything in this limited box — maybe not the exact same sculpts but that is not necessarily a bad thing. The ltd ed sculpts don’t seem as versatile as what you will get in the regular boxes. And TBH the most exclusive model in the ltd ed box, the Canoness, is probably the worst one. The regular release Canoness is much better. And arguably the regular dex cover is better than the ltd ed one. I get being a completionist about these things, of course.

Fourth, some of you, like me, have endured for over a decade dumbasses telling you that your favorite faction would be and, worse yet, should be squatted because no one likes them and they would never sell. Well, here we are, dear friends. The problem we have now is they sold way, way too well.

Yeah, I'm angry and I have sent an angry mail to their customer service.

Because I don't care about waiting for months before the "actual release" in 2020. GW said this box was made to reward us faithful SoB players for the wait. And I was fethed just because their site wasn't able to handle the afflux and they setting the number of box on a limited number.

What was the point of a two week pre-order, anyway ? They could have not limited the number, just saying "anyone can pre-order for a set period then it's closed and production is launched", like they did for old miniatures from Blood Bowl and battle like the halfling catapult.

But no, the real reason here is because they wanted to play on the FOMO issue. It was voluntary from their own part. And it was disrecpectful for us, unlucky ones who were waiting this long to enjoy our special set FOR NOTHING. Guess we weren't worthy of being rewarded in the end.

The only people who won there are the carrions on second handed sale sites like Ebay. We already saw the garbage prices here, and people are desperate enough to have their set to accept them. Because let's be clear : those people who put the boxes on Ebay are the ones buying multiple sets and certainly never intended to have them for themselves. They're doing this because they knew they could grab a nice pile of money and profit even by buying at GW's price. They are the ones being rewarded, in the end.

Feth this. Feth GW deep.

 Pendix wrote:
What does that mean exactly?

Ask GW whether the contents of the box are really limited and they will give you three answers, each one different and wrong.

 Manchu wrote:
Second, although this may seem to contradict my first point, keep in mind that GW is no longer run by morons or at least no longer exclusively run by morons.

I think you're right. Hanlon's Razor has gotten pretty dull over the years. I think they're the other thing now.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
About two years back I picked one of those up that'd been on the shelf at my local FLGS since it opened. This sounds about right.

It's worth pointing out that Space Hulk has been re-released twice since that initial 3rd Ed.

theres a few reasons to be angry about this release, but for me it's the Codex unless i missed something ALSO being restricted.

a lot of sisters players had many points of metals. if you didn't want to get on the plastic train right now then your rules are outdated until they see fit to release the book separately, and do we even know when that will be? nobody buying this was not going to need the rules, barring the people who don't play and just paint.

I had a lot of reasons to not buy this box, but among them is the fact I wasn't interested in the plastics for units i already have, focusing as i do on rules. now i must wait until whenever it would be that they release the codex.

if i was able to play consistently nowadays... this would leave me rather annoyed.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
About two years back I picked one of those up that'd been on the shelf at my local FLGS since it opened. This sounds about right.

It's worth pointing out that Space Hulk has been re-released twice since that initial 3rd Ed.

With one release having just a little tweak and addition so that a "It's not the exact same product" line could be used.

Bdrone wrote:
theres a few reasons to be angry about this release, but for me it's the Codex unless i missed something ALSO being restricted.

a lot of sisters players had many points of metals. if you didn't want to get on the plastic train right now then your rules are outdated until they see fit to release the book separately, and do we even know when that will be? nobody buying this was not going to need the rules, barring the people who don't play and just paint.

I had a lot of reasons to not buy this box, but among them is the fact I wasn't interested in the plastics for units i already have, focusing as i do on rules. now i must wait until whenever it would be that they release the codex.

if i was able to play consistently nowadays... this would leave me rather annoyed.

The codex will release at the same time they release the regular retail release for Sisters next year. The only limited part of it is the unique cover. Otherwise you'll get the sisters major release next year. With more models and options coming out probably about as fast as Bonereapers came out this year. The only difference is that GW is putting a longer lag time in place. This might be because they cannot produce enough stock right now of the core range - esp considering that they've just has a massive release with Ossiarchs; have hteir Christmas stock to produce; and have Slaves to Darkness at the end of the year. Basically I figure their release window is choked. It might even be that delays on the AoS side pushed the Sisters main release back a few months into next year to keep room for some of the AoS stuff.

Regardless GW wouldn't keep the core codex for a faction limited in a way that you suggest. It woudl be daft; esp because when Sisters hits regular retail there will be many who didn't get this boxed set (either tehy couldn't afford it; didn't know about it; didn't want it right now or failed to get a copy) who will want to jump on in.

Bdrone wrote:
theres a few reasons to be angry about this release, but for me it's the Codex unless i missed something ALSO being restricted.

a lot of sisters players had many points of metals. if you didn't want to get on the plastic train right now then your rules are outdated until they see fit to release the book separately, and do we even know when that will be? nobody buying this was not going to need the rules, barring the people who don't play and just paint.

I had a lot of reasons to not buy this box, but among them is the fact I wasn't interested in the plastics for units i already have, focusing as i do on rules. now i must wait until whenever it would be that they release the codex.

if i was able to play consistently nowadays... this would leave me rather annoyed.

Yeah, it's clear having the codex before the actual release is really benefitting to the existing SoB players. Ebay carrions know perfectly that, which is why they bought all those boxes, denying the real players to have their own and force them to buy them at their garbage prices so that they can play.

 Manchu wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I like the Codex cover.

Yeah. I like the limited one, but the standard one is much better than I expected. They seem to be moving away from the really digital single character pieces from 6th-7th that they kept reusing (with this and the Space Marine one), which I really wasn’t a fan of.

Agreed on all counts except maybe I am not so impressed by the limited edition cover. The standard edition cover is outstanding.

I agree, I was worried that the standard codex would use artwork that was, how shall I word this, less than ideal. But I'm actually liking it as much if not more then the box set one

 Manchu wrote:
Fourth, some of you, like me, have endured for over a decade dumbasses telling you that your favorite faction would be and, worse yet, should be squatted because no one likes them and they would never sell. Well, here we are, dear friends. The problem we have now is they sold way, way too well.

This is one thing I have enjoyed rubbing in a buddies face. He heckled me for quite a few years every time SoB got nothing/next to nothing every edition. (Person in question has been friends for 20+ years so it's not rude from either of us, just good natured fun)

 Overread wrote:

Bdrone wrote:
...if i was able to play consistently nowadays... this would leave me rather annoyed.

The codex will release at the same time they release the regular retail release for Sisters next year. The only limited part of it is the unique cover. Otherwise you'll get the sisters major release next year. With more models and options coming out probably about as fast as Bonereapers came out this year. The only difference is that GW is putting a longer lag time in place. This might be because they cannot produce enough stock right now of the core range - esp considering that they've just has a massive release with Ossiarchs; have hteir Christmas stock to produce; and have Slaves to Darkness at the end of the year. Basically I figure their release window is choked. It might even be that delays on the AoS side pushed the Sisters main release back a few months into next year to keep room for some of the AoS stuff.

Regardless GW wouldn't keep the core codex for a faction limited in a way that you suggest. It woudl be daft; esp because when Sisters hits regular retail there will be many who didn't get this boxed set (either tehy couldn't afford it; didn't know about it; didn't want it right now or failed to get a copy) who will want to jump on in.

i recognize it is not limited for long. however it IS limited for the time being, as there are sisters players right now who will not have access to their up to date army rules once this box comes out due to this situation. if the release windows are an issue to send it to print (which is troublesome considering how long they wound this up), they could at least have put the online version of the codex out to the public as an option, and i do not believe they did that either.

So how long must folk like me now wait? 2-3 months? more?

 Sarouan wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
For disappointed SOB fans who didn’t get to pre-order a copy, here a several points of consolation:

First, if you are angry ... well you are right to be angry. On top of years of shadowy rumors and lame excuses and worrying whether plastic Sororitas would ever be a thing or whether, if they would ever be released at all, they might be totally unrecognizable, GW decided to tease you for an entire year just to frustrate you now. Being mad about this is definitely a reasonable response.

Second, although this may seem to contradict my first point, keep in mind that GW is no longer run by morons or at least no longer exclusively run by morons. Plastic Sororitas happened because (1) GW bothered to ask their customers what we wanted and (2) GW actually listened to what we told them. And guess what, it was obviously a huge success for them. So not only do we finally get plastic Sororitas but their arrival happens to also prove to GW that being responsive to customers will lead to great sales. That means that our beloved girls may have a bright future ahead of them.

Third, along those lines, keep in mind that apart from a book cover, you will be able to get everything in this limited box — maybe not the exact same sculpts but that is not necessarily a bad thing. The ltd ed sculpts don’t seem as versatile as what you will get in the regular boxes. And TBH the most exclusive model in the ltd ed box, the Canoness, is probably the worst one. The regular release Canoness is much better. And arguably the regular dex cover is better than the ltd ed one. I get being a completionist about these things, of course.

Fourth, some of you, like me, have endured for over a decade dumbasses telling you that your favorite faction would be and, worse yet, should be squatted because no one likes them and they would never sell. Well, here we are, dear friends. The problem we have now is they sold way, way too well.

Yeah, I'm angry and I have sent an angry mail to their customer service.

Because I don't care about waiting for months before the "actual release" in 2020. GW said this box was made to reward us faithful SoB players for the wait. And I was fethed just because their site wasn't able to handle the afflux and they setting the number of box on a limited number.

What was the point of a two week pre-order, anyway ? They could have not limited the number, just saying "anyone can pre-order for a set period then it's closed and production is launched", like they did for old miniatures from Blood Bowl and battle like the halfling catapult.

But no, the real reason here is because they wanted to play on the FOMO issue. It was voluntary from their own part. And it was disrecpectful for us, unlucky ones who were waiting this long to enjoy our special set FOR NOTHING. Guess we weren't worthy of being rewarded in the end.

The only people who won there are the carrions on second handed sale sites like Ebay. We already saw the garbage prices here, and people are desperate enough to have their set to accept them. Because let's be clear : those people who put the boxes on Ebay are the ones buying multiple sets and certainly never intended to have them for themselves. They're doing this because they knew they could grab a nice pile of money and profit even by buying at GW's price. They are the ones being rewarded, in the end.

Feth this. Feth GW deep.

The amount sold on ebay is really low.. the stock was up for a really limited time most of the people who bought it managed to get only 1 in that time frame ant most of them were reg people not scalpers..

And you aren't more worthy for this box being an older sob fan than a newer fan..


The real release would be early next year.. they teased this small release because they promised 2019.. they aren't capable of the full release

The worst part of the Fear Of Missing Out is the Realization Of Missing Out.

SeanDrake wrote:


Not going to happen GW love the scalpers they keep customers on there toes, they provide an appearance of demand even on less desirable products and ensure that stuff released on GW's web site sells out in minutes which looks good. The high ebay prices also reinforce GWs belief that there armani/Ferrari and make GWs prices look reasonable. Scalpers take some of the heat off GW as well as people get annoyed at them for buying stuff rather than GW for only making 2500 copies. There are no downsides to scalpers as far as GW are concerned.

Arguably it makes GW look really bad. They are now going to be advertising something for the next two weeks that will be unobtainable (barring where money is no object and you can get it off ebay). The problem is that this practice can't grow the business other that min / maxing their profits over the existing user base. Completely new consumers have no opportunity as they are not so invested and hence you are potentially losing those new customers. If you want to grow that base then you really need to provide for their needs more than the existing customers because you likely have 1/2 opportunities to capture them before they move elsewhere. The existing fanatics are likely to wait for when the boxed sets come out even if they grumble about it.

While I understand why everyone is so frustrated with GW over the lack of inventory for pre-orders, can we get some discussion on what was learned from the spoiler video yesterday. What do people think of the other order doctrines, new units, new Exorcist missile options and 3D3 for the standard? Lets get talk about what we are getting instead.

What are we getting? A TON of new sculpts, a bunch of updated units, and a years worth of empty wallets. I am just happy to see the upcoming units, and looking forward to running a horde of arcoflagellants into my buddy’s heretical (as of now) DKK army.

People seem to be forgetting this box was nothing more than the capstone to a year long marketing campaign. The army drops early next year.

to the things to come- personally i don't know if any of the new units are a thing im interested in.

because i 100% my order as Argent shroud, i can't use Junith. im not sure of the Triumph of Saint Katherine, and i also would like to know why it wasn't called the reliquary of the saints.

the Zephryim worry me because of being Str 3 with power swords. they have all kinds of rerolls and such, but im still a bit worried about that units long term viability. theres some synergies they'll do well with though, so im interested in seeing how they are.

the sanctum is a complete shrug, and as for the alt penitent engines, im not sure if id run them over the new ones, but it's something im at least weighing. never had a single penitent engine to begin with.

the unit im most interested in trying out should the day ever come is the retributors with their changes. i know that can be seen as minor, but an argent shroud retributor squad can go at top speed of 6+ advance+1, and toss miracles on the advance if needed, now with heavy weapons at full tilt.

maybe thats just because im a heavy ranged person that kinda got caught by this faction, but the ability to scoot my range like that makes me very much intrigued. that said, not interested in the new exorcist missiles, but the 3d3 on the anti-armor one makes for better consistency and i do like that.