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So I just read that the Al Hawwa sniper has AP mines, and I've read the rules about mines. My question is: what's their use? Area denial? Even if you put a camouflage marker your opponent would know that it is a mine or exactly where it is, so is it basically used to slow the enemy's advance or make them waste their orders to discover it, and not "boom boom surprise mine motherfrakker!"?

To blow people up.

Okay, snark aside, yeah, it's area control. Plain and simple.

One of my favorite things to do is with my Muyib with Viral Mines, is when you have a corridor that people are moving down, to intercept them at an intersection, and place the mine right on the corner where they can't see it.

Even BETTER, you can place a Mine within activation range of people. I had someone take some pot shots at me, then sneak back around out of view... and I just walked up on the side of the wall they were hiding behind, dropped a mine, and walked away. They were trapped. If they went one way or another, the mine would go off and murderize them.

Traps are great.

Monofilament mines are even better, because once they explode, they put up a template that just sits there, and anything that moves through it gets torn to ribbons. You need an Engineer to take them down. That being said, once that net is up, it can kill you just as easy as the other guy, so though you can move past your mines, you can't dance through a monofilament wire screen.

Well you can, but then GIBLETS!

Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
One of my favorite things to do is with my Muyib with Viral Mines, is when you have a corridor that people are moving down, to intercept them at an intersection, and place the mine right on the corner where they can't see it.

But the opposing player knows you placed a mine there even though his/her figures don't have LoF on the mine, so it's still not a surprise attack right? I mean, now I can see its uses but they weren't the uses I thought they would have.

At first I thought they'e gonna be like Starcraft spidermines, but I guess it would be hard to do that on a tabletop setting.

Even BETTER, you can place a Mine within activation range of people. I had someone take some pot shots at me, then sneak back around out of view... and I just walked up on the side of the wall they were hiding behind, dropped a mine, and walked away. They were trapped. If they went one way or another, the mine would go off and murderize them.

Can you make a diagram how this worked? I am having a hard time picturing this.

Troops with the Minelayer skill can deploy a camo'ed mine.
So the other play can't know if it's an other unit or a mine.

I think =P

Von Skyfury wrote:Troops with the Minelayer skill can deploy a camo'ed mine.
So the other play can't know if it's an other unit or a mine.

I think =P

Yeah, but if your unit is not camo'ed and it suddenly produced a camo'ed thing, I don't think it would take a genius to figure out what that is.

Mines get placed in base to base contact - that means the model with Mines can walk up just out of sight behind a corner and lay a Mine in sight. As it's not a model acting the enemy models won't get any reactions, but from now on if they do anything the Mine will go boom.

You're misunderstanding Von Skyfury, the Minelayer skill lets you deploy a camoed Mine at the start of the game, all your opponent knows is that there are two camo markers within 8".

Okay, please be patient with me since I'm still a newbie.

So with minelayer, you can place two camo markers, and opponents won't know which is which unless one ofthem starts shooting/moving/whatever?

Mines in Infinity is what we would love in today's world. They can actually have FoF recognition. They can also chose which type of template to use. Round or teardrop. You can have it right next to you.

A lot of figures have mines but not all have the Minelayer ability. This is great for especially for Camo troops. Minelalyer allows you to put down a mine in the deployment phase within 8 in. of the layer. This does not take away the camo of the minelayer. So you can have two camo markers and you can't tell without discovering which is which. The Mine or the Minelayer? I've done this with my Shrouded to great effect. They have camo and infiltration. so I can do things like put a mine down right on top of an objective. If the minelayer does something like moving it might give him away.

Exactly.

Plus, especially if you're using a force with a lot of camo models, you'd be surprised how many people 'forget' that the new camo marker representing a Mine is actually a Mine...

Yup, by deploying, I meant when you deploy forces at the start.

But you can have your model and a mine under the same marker I think.
So your opponent can't tell what is under the marker.

And if your minelayer can't camo, it could be an other unit camo'ed next to him. Or a mine =)

Unfortunately, I think the unit I like doesn't have minelayer as a skill. Bummer. Anyway, thanks!

I like a camo minelayer and a camo hacker. Three camo markers at the start, probably all behind a building so you can't easily get LOS to them. Are you going to walk up and explode, walk up and get shot at, or walk up and suddenly find that your armour no longer works?

Can a camo minelayer place a mine in-game without being revealed?

No. The marker you place will be camoflaged, but you will UN-Camo the unit placing it. Placing a Mine is considered an attack.

Naturally, if you're out of LoS, you can then spend another oder to re-Camo.

Chemical Cutthroat wrote:No. The marker you place will be camoflaged, but you will UN-Camo the unit placing it. Placing a Mine is considered an attack.

Naturally, if you're out of LoS, you can then spend another oder to re-Camo.

what if they are an impersonater...like...say a Fiday?

would they get un-impersonated? fun word

The only Skills whose execution does not automatically reveal the impersonator are Cautious Movement and any Short Movement Skills that do not require any roll (except Alert).

From the wiki =)

So placing a mine, which is considered an attack, will reveal the impersonator .

but if out of LoF, then the revealed impersonator can re-up the impersonation. Just like a camo model.

question... idk if this has been covered.

from the wiki

"Mines are variable Template Weapons which can use a Circular Template or Small Teardrop Template, as the player prefers during the game. They are activated by proximity, by any enemy miniature or Marker penetrating or acting in the radius of the Circular Template or in the equivalent radius of the Small Teardrop Template, but they act only in the Template area. "

so does that mean that i could have one mine explode as a circular template, and then another as the small teardrop?

Or one as small teardrop or one as a circular

Yes your choice. They are super future mines. you can even have a guy right next to it and it will use the tear drop or not go off at all.

heartserenade wrote:

Von Skyfury wrote:Troops with the Minelayer skill can deploy a camo'ed mine.
So the other play can't know if it's an other unit or a mine.

I think =P

Yeah, but if your unit is not camo'ed and it suddenly produced a camo'ed thing, I don't think it would take a genius to figure out what that is.

A great trick is to make out a camoflauged mine is next to your mine layer, leave it there when in fact it is a unit instead. Then when the unit is approaching what it thinks is a mine your camouflaged trooper pops out and says hello

Another one is to place mines next to Heavy Infantry or TAGs who have been hacked/immobilised. Moment they try and activate, *BOOM*

Don't know if I'm the only one who didn't knew this but :

Q: Does a Mine deployed by Minelayer Special Skill counts toward the 3 miniatures under one Camouflage Marker restriction in Camouflaged Deployment?
A: Mines are not miniatures, they can not use the advantage of Camouflaged Deployment.

Just realised there was a FAQ =)

For me use of mines are tactical.

Yes my opponent knows I placed a mine there... but this forces him to spend his valuable orders just to discover it and shoot it. Of course he can ignore it and go the other way...the other way where I have my Heavy Infantry waiting.

So not only area control...but maybe also order depletion.

Also mentioned at a previous post...you can deploy it at the corner out of line of sight (works well in rooms or tight alleys / corridors) which means if he wants to discover it or shoot it , he would be triggering it as well.