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Brother SRM wrote:A lot of people homemake Knights. I think an official one from GW would be totally boss though.

Thats pretty much what Im saying. There have been some brilliant scratch builds, but I would be crazy over a real GW kit. Not an over priced Forgeworld resin deal, but a regular GW plastic kit. Given the likely size, bigger than a Monolith but smaller than a Stompa, I would think it would fall between them in price as well...say $75 GW retail. Id pony up for 2 at that price range.

Knight titan? really? that would be sweet! I love the look of titans and it would be great to see a little guy around the price range of a stompa!

Mukkin'About wrote:Knight titan? really? that would be sweet! I love the look of titans and it would be great to see a little guy around the price range of a stompa!

Probably will never happen, we are just wishing. As far as price range it could be done similar or less that a stompa, as it would be slightly smaller...someone in another thread said the proper size would be around 6 inches tall.

If only GW would do it.

Knights in the Grey Knights codex would make me feel GW's failed to grasp their own fluff... The only group with Knights are the feudal planets that surround a number of the older Forgeworlds. They have very strong ties to the Adeptus Mechanicus... and zero ties to the Grey Knights.

In the most outer edge of unlikely possibilities could GW give Grey Knights something like Knights? Yes, but they would never be "Knights" in the way they are described now just as power armor doesn't make anyone instantly into a Space Marine.

aka_mythos wrote:Knights in the Grey Knights codex would make me feel GW's failed to grasp their own fluff... The only group with Knights are the feudal planets that surround a number of the older Forgeworlds. They have very strong ties to the Adeptus Mechanicus... and zero ties to the Grey Knights.

In the most outer edge of unlikely possibilities could GW give Grey Knights something like Knights? Yes, but they would never be "Knights" in the way they are described now just as power armor doesn't make anyone instantly into a Space Marine.

We werent meaning adding them to the GK codex...we were talking in general they would be a cool model to have, just got a bit off topic.

actually there is a flip side - given that the knights have an aversion to being interred in dreads rather then burried, one could see where knight sized titans would in fact be a fair replacement for dreads. Certainly cant see a force like the grey knights utilizing any other type of Titan, and again, it would solve the dreadfluff issue...

Mad4Minis wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:A lot of people homemake Knights. I think an official one from GW would be totally boss though.

Thats pretty much what Im saying. There have been some brilliant scratch builds, but I would be crazy over a real GW kit. Not an over priced Forgeworld resin deal, but a regular GW plastic kit. Given the likely size, bigger than a Monolith but smaller than a Stompa, I would think it would fall between them in price as well...say $75 GW retail. Id pony up for 2 at that price range.

Not gonna happen since the BB is same price as stompa imo.

Knights in the Grey Knights codex would make me feel GW's failed to grasp their own fluff... The only group with Knights are the feudal planets that surround a number of the older Forgeworlds. They have very strong ties to the Adeptus Mechanicus... and zero ties to the Grey Knights.

Dunno, the connection between Grey Knights and/or titans - mechanicus might be closer then we think.
The inquisition (with heavy admech help I assume) keeps a division or more of PSI titans.
There is even old "epic" fluff on those and while not much is said there is a logical room for having a more or less close ties between the GK and part of =I= administrated admech titan forces.

If rumors of GK jetbikes float and maybe the GKs will even get jetbikes then some access to "secret" admech wargear must indeed take place.

Pyriel- wrote:
If rumors of GK jetbikes float and maybe the GKs will even get jetbikes then some access to "secret" admech wargear must indeed take place.

This rumor was determined to be a unit concept that GW play tested early on, but more recent rumors have said it was dropped.

Pyriel- wrote:
Dunno, the connection between Grey Knights and/or titans - mechanicus might be closer then we think. The inquisition (with heavy admech help I assume) keeps a division or more of PSI titans. There is even old "epic" fluff on those and while not much is said there is a logical room for having a more or less close ties between the GK and part of =I= administrated admech titan forces.

The Adeptus Mechanicus connection is more the shtick of the Deathwatch. The Inquisition doesn't maintain the Psi-titans. They are still under the control of Collegia Titanica, and while they might be dispatched to aid, they aren't part of the same hierarchy. The Grey Knights may in the very edge of possibilities have some, but it would be rather silly for GW to remove allies in attempt to focus on Grey Knights just to steer off course and add what would be an ally.

The Psi-titans were operated by the Divisio Telepathica, not the Grey Knights. They are all warlord class titans.


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Carlovonsexron wrote:actually there is a flip side - given that the knights have an aversion to being interred in dreads rather then burried, one could see where knight sized titans would in fact be a fair replacement for dreads.

Yes, but this is why they're rumored to be getting their own version of the penitent engine.

It doesnt really matter what the fluff from the past says.

Dark Eldar just got a MASSIVE fluff overhaul you know.

GW doesnt really care about the fluff...so long as they sell their models. If they can change the fluff around to help sell the newest kit along with giving it banging rules...they will.

Knights dont need to be added to a specific list, they only need to produce a data sheet for them and publish in white dwarf. They could always do at same time as GK release and keep everyone happy, and as a larger kit with lots of possibilities for weopen swap options like in Baneblade kit will mean loads of profit for just making the one base kit. so keeps the accountant happy as well as us fans.

I think at this point FW should just do a book called "Adeptus Titanicus" and include rules for Titan class units of every race (that has them) for use in 40k... and then make those models available.

Knights are great, and I do love them, but tying them to GK's would be... odd.

And really, how many times does the phrase "Knight Titans" have to be written before Platuan4th is successfully summoned?!?

bubblesflood wrote:Knights dont need to be added to a specific list, they only need to produce a data sheet for them and publish in white dwarf. They could always do at same time as GK release and keep everyone happy, and as a larger kit with lots of possibilities for weopen swap options like in Baneblade kit will mean loads of profit for just making the one base kit. so keeps the accountant happy as well as us fans.

Thats what Im saying. A base kit with options for Paladin and other versions would sell like crazy. I think it would outsell all the other Apoc vehicles. It wouldnt take much to do a chaos version too.

Too bad GW doesnt listen to its customers. Id say start a thread (and one on the other similar sites) and get some excitement, maybe they would start something rolling on it. Then I remember it is GW we are talking about. Hell for $75-$100 retail Id get a couple.

If thats what you're saying, despite its merit, you're openly admitting to taking this topic off topic. Please stop. Start a new thread in the general discussion area and let this one focus on the original topic.

The Adeptus Mechanicus connection is more the shtick of the Deathwatch. The Inquisition doesn't maintain the Psi-titans. They are still under the control of Collegia Titanica, and while they might be dispatched to aid, they aren't part of the same hierarchy. The Grey Knights may in the very edge of possibilities have some, but it would be rather silly for GW to remove allies in attempt to focus on Grey Knights just to steer off course and add what would be an ally.

The Psi-titans were operated by the Divisio Telepathica, not the Grey Knights. They are all warlord class titans.

I wouldnt like the fluff if it turned out that the GKs keep titans, nor would I think it is logical.
All I´m saying is that given the importance of the Grey Knights and the inquisitorial weight they can throw around (isnt one of the Grand masters also a lord of terra if I remember correctly?)
it wouldnt be to far fetched if there is some sort of clandestine rapid reaction PSI titan force standing by on mars that can be dispatched with haste along GK forces if the situation is deemed severe enough.

so the GK jet bikes got dropped? that makes me sad... what do you wanna bet though the rules will be in the codex but GW will never make a model for them. though hopefully GK rhinos will be in, makes troops a bit more survivable

Could someone link where the gk jetbikes got dropped? What would their fast attack choices be then? If that's true, I would be a sad panda indeed. Was looking forward to those, lol

mjl7atlas wrote:Could someone link where the gk jetbikes got dropped? What would their fast attack choices be then? If that's true, I would be a sad panda indeed. Was looking forward to those, lol

I know I've seen on these forums where it was said that GK jetbikes got dropped. It's probably in one of the old GK rumor threads.

Given that the Stormraven is mentioned as being pioneered by the GK in the BA codex,I would say that GK Assault Squads with Jump Packs are pretty much a certainty. We'll also probably see the GK PA Teleport squads in the FA slot unless they give teleport to the baseline troops. It woudn't be out of the realm of possibility to see GK Landspeeders and or Bikes,either.

Then you're just playing Space Marines, but with more expensive troops. I think they're trying to lean away from that... and make Grey Knights into a small model count army that can actually stand up to MSU.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:s though hopefully GK rhinos will be in, makes troops a bit more survivable

I would think that was a given. Sure Land Raiders are nice, but it would seem a little silly to have that as the only transport choice. Then again arent GK most commonly teleported or dropped directly into battle? Since they dont do normal SM things like combat patrol it would also make sense for them to not have much in the way of ground transportation. Guess it could go either way.


As far as a FA option if there are no jet bikes...a Land Speeder set up for GK would make sense.

Alpharius wrote:Knights are great, and I do love them, but tying them to GK's would be... odd.

And really, how many times does the phrase "Knight Titans" have to be written before Platuan4th is successfully summoned?!?

Shazam!

My sensors must have been thrown off because of it being a Grey Knight thread and therefore easily giving false positives.

*Ahem*

Knights aren't Titans!

Platuan4th wrote:
Knights aren't Titans!

That is a semantic point, that is tangential to the discussion. It doesn't matter if Knights are not technically titans. The point in calling them such is to differentiate them from "Knights" in the Bretonnian/Fantasy sense since they aren't widely supported by GW. To call them "Titans" is more a short hand for saying they look and operate similarly to titans, within a similar organizational structure, and on a similar scope to convey that imagery on to the unit and quickly convey what they are.

aka_mythos wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:
Knights aren't Titans!

That is a semantic point, that is tangential to the discussion. It doesn't matter if Knights are not technically titans. The point in calling them such is to differentiate them from "Knights" in the Bretonnian/Fantasy sense since they aren't widely supported by GW. To call them "Titans" is more a short hand for saying they look and operate similarly to titans, within a similar organizational structure, and on a similar scope to convey that imagery on to the unit and quickly convey what they are.

Actually, it's more because it's become an inside joke with Alph and myself, but it's easy to miss if you haven't been in the right P&M threads.

Ha ha, too true!

Still, to stay on topic, I don't think GK's will be getting Knights of Any Sort.

But then, I hadn't even seen the Jet Bike rumor either, so what do I know?

Alpharius wrote:Still, to stay on topic, I don't think GK's will be getting Knights of Any Sort.

Apart from the Grey ones, of course.

Therein was the joke!

It is interesting to watch rumor threads spiral out of control though, to a point...

Current BOLS Rumor Roundup on GK:

1) Further reinforcement of this being a Grey Knight/Inquisition book. Almost all the chatter has died down regarding inducted IG, and allied Space Marines. This is fundamentally said to be an Astartes book with some flavoring added in.

2) Lots of talk of the book containing all Grey Knights units with only Imperial Assassins and Inquisitors w/retinues as choices not hailing from Titan.

3)Speaking of Inquisitors, they are said to reflect the entirety of the Inquisition (whatever that means), as opposed to the previous codex's "Daemonhunters" focus.

4) As you would imagine from #2 above a lot of units from the current Daemonhunters codex are missing. Daemonhosts, DeathCult Assassins, Inquisitorial Stormtroopers are all supposedly being wrapped into the Inquisitor's retinue options along with all the old favorites. These retinue units have many, many, exotic options (said to easily outstrip the Dark Eldar Archon's retinue options).

5) Lots of all new psychic powers all around, including Grey Knight Vehicles who are said to be difficult to stop.

6) Stormraven is a GO! It is also said to fulfill a critical role in the codex with the Grey Knight infantry having little access to "traditional" heavy and special weapons found in other Marine books.

7) LOTS of new independent characters, and tons of new Grey Knight fluff.

8) Continued chatter of both GK Terminators and powered armored versions as troops.

9) Talk places this codex at the new extreme of "elite" armies, in the 40k metagame diametrically opposed to horde type play.

10) Talk still points to March 2011 for this one.

I was just looking at the list on BoLS a little while ago. I find the March date interesting because GW has announced formally already that it's Skaven in January and Blood Angels in February. I recently saw talk of Orcs And Goblins on this very forum for March. I have heard GW wanted to get Grey Knights out for December and just couldn't quite do it, so some rearranging of the release schedule would make sense. Releasing the Stormraven in Feb. and then another army that uses it in March would certainly boost sales of that kit sky high. And some people said the Stormraven couldn't fly.

wolfshadow wrote:6) Stormraven is a GO! It is also said to fulfill a critical role in the codex with the Grey Knight infantry having little access to "traditional" heavy and special weapons found in other Marine books.

This just seems to reinforce my sincere belief that the GK Stormraven will have weapon options the BA Stormraven doesn't.