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Clang wrote:So, the plastics are likely to be:
- GKs
- GK Termies
- Storm Raven
- some kind of walker
?

We're hoping for plastic Stormtroopers too (and plastic Arbites with the SoB codex), but I haven't seen any confirmation.

Considering plastic Stormtroopers were supposedly held from being released with the Guard codex for the GK/Inquisition one...
I will be flippin' furious if they're not released.

Plastic Inquisitional Storm Troopers please!

AlexHolker wrote:
We're hoping for plastic Stormtroopers too (and plastic Arbites with the SoB codex), but I haven't seen any confirmation.

Who or what ever indicated there would be plastic Arbites? That seems reaaaaaally far fetched.

pretre wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:
We're hoping for plastic Stormtroopers too (and plastic Arbites with the SoB codex), but I haven't seen any confirmation.

Who or what ever indicated there would be plastic Arbites? That seems reaaaaaally far fetched.

Hmm as much as I love arbites I agree

Clang wrote:So, the plastics are likely to be:
- GKs
- GK Termies
- Storm Raven
- some kind of walker
?

The walker just couldn't be a dreadnought now could it?.

Kanluwen wrote:

wolfshadow wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Then it's a fluff aberration and shall be discounted by myself!

Not really. Falls in line with GKs not being fond of being entombed in a Dreadnaught Sarcophagus.

Where was that piece of information ever put? Because I've yet to see anything like that, considering the fact that they do, in fact, actually field Dreadnoughts.

Daemon Hunters codex pg 32 right above the picture of the Dreadnought

"It is a rare thing indeed for a Grey Knight to be consigned to the living tomb of a Dreadnought at the end of his service to the Emperor-they hope only to rest in the cool dark of Titan for all eternity. However, a few are sorely wounded enough that to continue on the Emperor's path as a man is impossible and they accept the necessity of pursuing it as a man-machine instead

This statement shows that while the Grey Knights do use Dreadnoughts a battle brother of the chapter would rather not be entombed in one because they would rather the honor of being burried on Titan with their bretheran like Wolfshadow said. So there is your answer, the information was put in the codex

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

wolfshadow wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Then it's a fluff aberration and shall be discounted by myself!

Not really. Falls in line with GKs not being fond of being entombed in a Dreadnaught Sarcophagus.

Where was that piece of information ever put? Because I've yet to see anything like that, considering the fact that they do, in fact, actually field Dreadnoughts.

Daemon Hunters codex pg 32 right above the picture of the Dreadnought

"It is a rare thing indeed for a Grey Knight to be consigned to the living tomb of a Dreadnought at the end of his service to the Emperor-they hope only to rest in the cool dark of Titan for all eternity. However, a few are sorely wounded enough that to continue on the Emperor's path as a man is impossible and they accept the necessity of pursuing it as a man-machine instead

This statement shows that while the Grey Knights do use Dreadnoughts a battle brother of the chapter would rather not be entobmed in one because they would rather the honor of being burried on Titan with their bretheran like Wolfshadow said. So there is your answer, the information was put in the codex

Supposedly bigger than a Dread.

pretre wrote:Who or what ever indicated there would be plastic Arbites? That seems reaaaaaally far fetched.

Nothing as yet, which is why I said "hoping" rather than "expecting". But it would help differentiate between the two arms of the Inquisition by giving the Ordo Malleus Stormtroopers, Valkyries, and conscripts while the Ordo Hereticus gets Arbites, Repressors and Militia.

To use a modern analogy, it would mean the Malleus recruits full-time employees that work for the Inquisition for the remainder of their lives (which isn't very long for the conscripts ) while the Hereticus has contractors (from the Ecclesiarchy, Arbites and civilian life), who will return to their non-Inquisitorial lives when the campaign is over.

Tailgunner wrote:Where is the Stormraven?

In the GK section. Obviously, the focus of the reader by the OP is like me - Inquisition player, not a GK player.


I'm pretty happy with what I see so far for ISTs and Inducted Guard.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Tailgunner wrote:Where is the Stormraven?

In the GK section. Obviously, the focus of the reader by the OP is like me - Inquisition player, not a GK player.


I'm pretty happy with what I see so far for ISTs and Inducted Guard.

My army will be predominatly GK. :-)

I posted a new thread due to the fact that I couldnt find the older thread where I had read the original set of GK rumours. And these were new rumours that had not been previously discussed. The StormRaven is pretty close to confirmed.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

wolfshadow wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Then it's a fluff aberration and shall be discounted by myself!

Not really. Falls in line with GKs not being fond of being entombed in a Dreadnaught Sarcophagus.

Where was that piece of information ever put? Because I've yet to see anything like that, considering the fact that they do, in fact, actually field Dreadnoughts.

Daemon Hunters codex pg 32 right above the picture of the Dreadnought

"It is a rare thing indeed for a Grey Knight to be consigned to the living tomb of a Dreadnought at the end of his service to the Emperor-they hope only to rest in the cool dark of Titan for all eternity. However, a few are sorely wounded enough that to continue on the Emperor's path as a man is impossible and they accept the necessity of pursuing it as a man-machine instead

This statement shows that while the Grey Knights do use Dreadnoughts a battle brother of the chapter would rather not be entombed in one because they would rather the honor of being buried on Titan with their bretheran like Wolfshadow said. So there is your answer, the information was put in the codex

You know that the sentiment right there isn't confined to just the Grey Knights, yeah?

So I'm calling bollocks on the GK walker, here and now.

Inquisitorial Sentinel, Heavy Bolter/Psycannon/Incinerator options--especially considering the purposeful addition of Psycannon Razorbacks to the Inquisitorial armory.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:"It is a rare thing indeed for a Grey Knight to be consigned to the living tomb of a Dreadnought at the end of his service to the Emperor-they hope only to rest in the cool dark of Titan for all eternity. However, a few are sorely wounded enough that to continue on the Emperor's path as a man is impossible and they accept the necessity of pursuing it as a man-machine instead

My interpretation of that would be that a GK (or infact any SM) would rather die a glorious death with the healthy fighting body their father gave them, than get crippled and have to use the aid of a Dred. Now is that so hard to believe?

Kanluwen wrote:
So I'm calling bollocks on the GK walker, here and now.

Inquisitorial Sentinel, Heavy Bolter/Psycannon/Incinerator options--especially considering the purposeful addition of Psycannon Razorbacks to the Inquisitorial armory.

While we're at it, why not just re-do the IG codex again, and combine it with the DH one?

FW have already made GK Dreds, the GK codex isn't supposed to be the IG codex, just a bit different, and we'll add in some Power Armoured awesome. It's supposed to be predominatly GK with their lackies the IG. So I don't see why it wouldn't be a Dred with all those options. It's not so hard to believe that GK would have Dreds (especially as in the quoted fluff it says they're just rare" So why wouldn't they be in the army list?

Oshova

I heard way back that the Grey Knights would get the psyker dread as well as the BA. What if the new walker kit is a combined furioso/psyker dread kit?

@O'Shovah
Except this still isn't Codex: Grey Knights.

There will never be Codex: Grey Knights without Inquisitorial presence, because the Grey Knights never really deploy without Inquisitorial assistance(note: Inquisitorial. I'm also VERY skeptical on Imperial Guard conscripts in the 'dex, since part of the design philosophy they've been talking about for this off/on was getting rid of excess units and having the Inquisition stand on its own) .

You'll also notice that I didn't say "Grey Knight Dreadnoughts".
I specifically stated walker, since the rumor is that Grey Knights(live ones, mind you) are going to be piloting some kind of walker.

And frankly?
The Inquisition should have been in the Imperial Guard codex. An Inquisitor Lord HQ choice allowing for Stormtroopers as Troops, the ability to take Grey Knight squads if Ordo Malleus, Sisters if Hereticus, etc all would have been a far, far better way to do it than this crap of forcing specialist units into becoming their own, standalone armies.

I loathe to think of what they'll do to the Deathwatch.


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svendrex wrote:I heard way back that the Grey Knights would get the psyker dread as well as the BA. What if the new walker kit is a combined furioso/psyker dread kit?

That makes far, far more sense than some kind of Grey Knight piloted walker.

I doubt DW would get their own book. They're basically an army of sternguard marines

kenshin620 wrote:I doubt DW would get their own book. They're basically an army of sternguard marines

If its a space marine codex with a "flashy" cover i wouldn't put it past them.

Deathwatch already got their own dedicated roleplay system and heavy influence in another. GW has no plans of introducing a new codex any time soon, just updating old ones to fifth edition.

Kanluwen wrote:
I loathe to think of what they'll do to the Deathwatch.

Deathwatch is to Ordos Xenos what Grey Knights are to Ordos Malleus and Sisters are to Ordos Hereticus.

Frankly, they could fit all that in one codex with a "no mixing" stipulation.

DarknessEternal wrote:Deathwatch is to Ordos Xenos what [..] Sisters are to Ordos Hereticus.

No, and I do not want to start yet another discussion on this godforsaken subject. Also, no.

Let's drop it

(in addition, no.)

Yeah, let's.

ALL POSTERS - PLEASE NOT THE TITLE OF THE THREAD!

TRY to stay on topic.

Alpharius wrote:Yeah, let's.

ALL POSTERS - PLEASE NOT THE TITLE OF THE THREAD!

TRY to stay on topic.

Sorry. So who thinks we'll still get anti DSing items?

Kanluwen wrote:@O'Shovah
Except this still isn't Codex: Grey Knights.

There will never be Codex: Grey Knights without Inquisitorial presence, because the Grey Knights never really deploy without Inquisitorial assistance(note: Inquisitorial. I'm also VERY skeptical on Imperial Guard conscripts in the 'dex, since part of the design philosophy they've been talking about for this off/on was getting rid of excess units and having the Inquisition stand on its own) .

You'll also notice that I didn't say "Grey Knight Dreadnoughts".
I specifically stated walker, since the rumor is that Grey Knights(live ones, mind you) are going to be piloting some kind of walker.

And frankly?
The Inquisition should have been in the Imperial Guard codex. An Inquisitor Lord HQ choice allowing for Stormtroopers as Troops, the ability to take Grey Knight squads if Ordo Malleus, Sisters if Hereticus, etc all would have been a far, far better way to do it than this crap of forcing specialist units into becoming their own, standalone armies.

I loathe to think of what they'll do to the Deathwatch.

Ah sorry for the confusion there Kanluwen. In that case I believe we are agreed.

And on Deathwatch, if they did them kind of along the basis of the rules in WD, then they wouldn't be going too far wrong. Cross that with Sternguard, and you have a pretty good base to make the Deathwatch from.

And yes, Deathwatch and Grey Knights are very different from Sisters. and Grey Kinights are very different to Deathwatch.

Deathwatch pretty much work alone, doing clinical strikes with just a couple of squads. (Not a good army to make a 40K codex for)

Grey Knights are strong and very holy, but have to rely on Guard to supply the numbers.

Sisters are the religious Nuns with Guns. Who rely on religious followers to make up the numbers.

Both Sisters and Grey Knights make good armies for 40K codices, with a similar starting point, but with differences on their reliance on other parts of the Imperium. Sisters relying mainly on their own power, and the numbers of their religious followers.

Hope I didn't get too much wrong there

Oshova

Grey Knights(for the most part), actually, are deployed to areas where the Guard or even Astartes can't be deployed because of a "taint".

They pretty much walk into the maw of Hell, with nothing but their nigh-Paladin levels of faith to keep them from becoming gibbering warpspawn.

I knew I would get something wrong in all that =p

I'm not an expert on . . . well anything really . . . But I try to share what knowledge I have, and am always happy to learn more =D

Oshova

The GKs use the Guard to soak up the little Deamons while they go after the big dudes. The average Chaos tainted Heretic isnt really worth a GKs Blessed bolter shell. They wold rather reserve them for the real deal... Sorcerers, Chaos Marines and Daemons.

kenshin620 wrote:I doubt DW would get their own book. They're basically an army of sternguard marines

Deathwatch armies already exist as such, within C: SM, as an army of Sternguard Marines with Drop Pods / Rhinos / Razorbacks / Land Raiders, with Deathwatch Librarian as HQ.

@Wolfshadow
Except that's never been how the deployment of Grey Knights to a battle zone was described to work.

Grey Knights don't command troops, thus they can't "use the Guard to soak up little Daemons".
Grey Knights get involved when things are so bad that Daemons are materializing left and right, when tears in the fabric of reality are present and the very essence of the Warp is leaking and the world is slipping slowly into the madness that is the Realm of Chaos.
I guess the message is "when things REALLY hit the fan".
Once that happens, they don't deploy Guard to a planet's surface except if there's something really important down there.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Deathwatch armies already exist as such, within C: SM, as an army of Sternguard Marines with Drop Pods / Rhinos / Razorbacks / Land Raiders, with Deathwatch Librarian as HQ.

Pretty much, yep. The only downside is there's none of the weird yet cool tech or specific tactical training of Kill-Teams.

Guard Conscripts, Stormies and such are integral to any Grey Knights army because it's Fluff-stupid to make an expanded Grey Knights army with a full range of options, it's modeling stupid to create stuff which will never sell in volumes.

Far better to leverage existing Heroes of the Imperium / Inquisition / Grey Knights / IG Conscripts as a well-defined, stand-alone army. Note well that incoporating IG Conscripts, Hellhounds directly into Codex: Inquisition ("Grey Knights") in lieu of Allies fits GW's current standalone Codex design approach very cleanly, and allows GW to differentiate IIG from C: IG troops, while insulating each Codex from the other. Plus, Inducted Guard go back to RoC: StD.

This bodes well for Sisters of Battle being returned to prominence, regaining their Frateris Militia, and losing the Witch Hunter nonsense that was tacked on.

I'm very excited with the direction that GW appears to be taking Inquistion and Sisters.

It also means that if Conscripts/Hellhounds are updated in the IG codex the DH/I/GK/Whatever codex will be left in the dust again.