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Not much, You will get improved unit AP with the new core set and if you really wish to have the new cards you can buy the upgrade pack which contains the upgraded cards also from Operation Cyclone.

Oh gak, they're doing Allied landing craft: http://www.dustgame.com/products_d.php?nid=18&id=161

So, what's the difference between Dust Tactics from Fantasy Flight and Paolo Parente’s Dust? Looks like the later is selling models and decals and stuff, but are they the same as what FF does? Or are they just pro-painted versions of the FF models? Or all new models in resin or something? Do they have any models that FF doesn't make?

I just ordered the old starter set on Amazon with a gift card I had, I'll most likely get the new one too when that comes out eventually. Only real concern is my game group rarely wants to play anything but GW stuff, but I'm hoping if I have both armies and they don't need to invest at first it might be easier to introduce em to something new.

IIRC DUST was originally Paolo Parente's baby and I think Fantasy Flight managed to get hold of a license to produce DUST related stuff.

If I'm wrong, then somebody feel free to correct me.

Biggest changes I've noticed so far are some changes in the background history. Like the removal of SS units during the coup of '43 (the official "source" book shows active SS units serving in 1947) and the exact year German robots first started taking to the battle field.

I think it's mostly FFG trying to clean things up and make it more friendly to everybody. Shame really, I painted my Blutkreuz up as SS, makes them easier to hate and fight.

Stormwell's correct. The DUST universe is Paolo Parente's baby, with FF producing the actual games under license.

Paolo's team produce the occasional new model that goes up for sale on his DUST site, but the newer ones aren't (as far as I know) including game cards as it breached the contract with FF or some such thing. They are more collector/modeller items than new game units.

I do like the landing craft that Brook pointed out. Not sure I can justify any though... sadly.

I can't help but think of Paolo's last project that another big studio took over from him..

BrookM wrote:Oh gak, they're doing Allied landing craft: http://www.dustgame.com/products_d.php?nid=18&id=161

Yeah, that is awesome.

They really, really, REALLY need to get those Table Top rules released!

BrookM wrote:I can't help but think of Paolo's last project that another big studio took over from him..

And that would be?

Dust/AT-43 by Rackham.

That would explain the Hellboy Fist zombies then...

Looks like one of our fellow Dakka-dudes has landed an article at FFG on how to paint the Boss!

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=2392

Preview of the new core set premium edition: http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=2413

Such a cool looking set. I wonder if they will still sell the original for awhile?

As long as stock lasts....

The only thing holding me back is the lack of the rumored/pending table top rules.

Weird War II is one of my favorite gaming genres, come on FFG, make with the rules already!

I haven't actually played it yet, but after reading through the "boardgame" rules, it still plays a lot like a table top game.. you just don't need a tape measure. You set up your board tiles on your table, and you can still use model terrain if you want, in fact the box set comes with some ammo crates and tank traps. You just move or shoot a certain # of squares instead of inches.

If you do want to get into the game I'd buy the starter set while it's still available, it has a lot of models and the new starter set will come with less stuff. But if you combine the 2 you'll have a real good sized army. Actually 2 armies of equal size, since you'll get stuff for both factions.

Alpharius wrote:The only thing holding me back is the lack of the rumored/pending table top rules.

Weird War II is one of my favorite gaming genres, come on FFG, make with the rules already!

I speculate the sometime next year will be the tabletop rules. In the back of the rules from the start it details the next six box sets. Each set adds a new set of rules and abilities of models. Soooo when FFG has released those six then the table top rules should be right behind. It is like they are slowy getting all the fans ready to go from board game to tabletop.

One- As a player gets each expansion he learns the new rules.
Two- Same player gets more miniatures to play with as well, with each new expansion.
Three- TT rules released and everyone who has been playing has just enough miniatures to buy the new rules and get playing.
Four- The miniatures provided in each expansion make up only "half" a TT army so collecting is still possible.

The only other guess I have is that the Russians and Vrill will either release with the TT rules or there are a few more expansions planned to introduce them to the game.

Remember this post comes with a bucket load of salt since I am only speculating with my own opinions.

Hm, interesting guesses...

The Vrill army is one of those expansions, can't remember the name. Paper Clip was it? Or was that the one with the commando force and undead army? That's the one I'm looking forward to the most.

According to the old release list, this year is Axis&Allies and next year is Vrill and Sinosoviets.

Would they be doing a whole new starter set with the new factions then? or do it like an expansion but with a starter army instead of just 2 heroes?

@necros That is the question. Most likely there will be expansion sets available. I see it either being Vrill vs. SinoSoviets to showcase the new rules that the Vrill will surely bring. It could also come as an independant expansion for each army, which I thin is highly unlikely.

Now for wishlisting, I would think it amazing if the released Vrill vs. SinoSoviet as the intrductionary forces for the TT rules!!!

I'm kinda hoping they'll keep the board game rules and sets like they are, and have the table top rules be an add on book you can get or pdf download or whatever.

And maybe also do a faction starter pack for each army that will be like the contents as the starter box, but just the models so you'll get a hero, 2 units and a walker for a little cheaper than if you bought them separately.

Pael wrote:

Now for wishlisting, I would think it amazing if the released Vrill vs. SinoSoviet as the intrductionary forces for the TT rules!!!

That would work for me!

Und anovver pre-order am up: http://www.dustgame.com/products_d.php?nid=18&id=173

A small ammo dump, tempting one at that, thirteen bucks for a crapton of crates.

does that count as hard cover like a tank trap? or can mechs destroy it like they can destroy a normal ammo crate?

I haven't the foggiest in all honesty. I'm guessing it'll probably count as a wall or other solid obstacle feature that you can't see or move through. Me, I'm probably getting it just for the cheap source of extra ammo crates.

Are the crates "separate"? Like in a separate chunk of crates on top of a base?

Looks like they just released an organized play / league pack with 2 new heroes, Action Jackson and Totenmeister (I think they're new, but I'm too new to know how new they are).

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=2420



Why does it just come with Axis patches? What if you like Allies better?