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BrookM wrote:No need to snap at others like that..

If that comment was aimed at me (?), then be aware that I'll happy show courtesy to those who are courteous to me.

Actually, you have to show courtesy to everyone, no matter what. If they are discourteous to you, then you hit the Mod alert button and we deal with it. Otherwise you are just as guilty of rule breaking as they are and will be treated accordingly.

I hope that clears up your misunderstanding of the site rules? Thanks - MT11

Would love to see 'infection' versions of the characters as stretch goal targets.

Delephont wrote:

Dysartes wrote:

Delephont wrote:Nice reading. I like the jargon, just out there enough to make a reader feel like a voyeur in a conversation he/she wasn't mean't to hear

Is this fan fiction or something "official"?

Depends - is something posted by Mike on the Studio McVey blog (then cross-posted to the Kickstarter and to here) fan fiction?

Some of us have lives off the web you know.

I call fallacy on this one. How could anyone but Delephont have a life off the web?? I mean, I thought we were all some kind of pseudo-cybernetic life form that spends our lives plugged into these computers and has never left out desks and faithful PCs.

Why is my world being turned upside down?

Facts used to be facts.

Now some people have lives off the web.

I'm scared... this is a scary revelation. Should we be telling the whole wide world about the world wide web!?!

Moopy wrote:
Also, if you REALLY want a good kickstarter- you'll make most of the additions "kickstarter" only. People want things that are exclusive. There's less thrill in when you read "all boxes get X" instead of "Kickstarter boxes get X".

You know, at some point I think it stops mattering all that much. Sure, there are records to break, and that's all nice, but what does that mean for the future of the game, really?

I mean, breaking kickstarter records can only mean so much for a game. One trouble, if you make the kickstarter into such an amazing deal, will people feel cheated when they see the game in the store for 89.99? Even if it is also a good deal?

And if the game gets super funded through kickstarter, but then no one picks up a copy after it has come out, it will be a bomb. You definitely want people who missed out on the kickstarter to hear about the game and get excited, rather than feeling like they missed their only chance to get all the stuff they wanted.


Another thing, I doubt that they're going to release anything for the Sedition Wars kickstarter that is truly game changing. What I mean by that is every one of the minis with rules here will be available separately (at some point). That way, the people who bought the kickstarter aren't playing a different game from people who waited. They just got a better deal, with better rattle value.

I'm honestly more interested in the non-exclusive upgrades to the game. Sure, I'd love to have an extra tank or Grendlr, but I'd also love to see more plastic counters. And I've heard that there are counters to represent gun emplacements- having those upgraded into minis would be fantastic.

@odinsgrandson agreed

Delephont wrote:

BrookM wrote:No need to snap at others like that..

If that comment was aimed at me (?), then be aware that I'll happy show courtesy to those who are courteous to me.

Actually, you have to show courtesy to everyone, no matter what. If they are discourteous to you, then you hit the Mod alert button and we deal with it. Otherwise you are just as guilty of rule breaking as they are and will be treated accordingly.

I hope that clears up your misunderstanding of the site rules? Thanks - MT11

Just a little reminder in case anyone missed it, although generally the thread seems to be going pretty well

Actually, you have to show courtesy to everyone, no matter what. If they are discourteous to you, then you hit the Mod alert button and we deal with it. Otherwise you are just as guilty of rule breaking as they are and will be treated accordingly.

I hope that clears up your misunderstanding of the site rules? Thanks - MT11

Fair enough, point taken. Just a shame you couldn't have stepped in earlier. I'll leave it at that.

Hard to know what is going on and step in if the Mod Alert button isn't hit, but point taken

Thank you very much though for the friendly manner in which you took the message, it is much appreciated. We just want to keep things calm, and I personally would hate to see this thread go off the rails as I am excited for Mike and Ali. I realize you were not the sole participant, which is why I posted a public 'chill out' as opposed to a private one.

So, thank you again for your tone and comportment!

Back OT, we are very near the 170 mark and the reveal of the next stretch, lookin good!

odinsgrandson wrote:

Moopy wrote:
Also, if you REALLY want a good kickstarter- you'll make most of the additions "kickstarter" only. People want things that are exclusive. There's less thrill in when you read "all boxes get X" instead of "Kickstarter boxes get X".

You know, at some point I think it stops mattering all that much. Sure, there are records to break, and that's all nice, but what does that mean for the future of the game, really?

I mean, breaking kickstarter records can only mean so much for a game. One trouble, if you make the kickstarter into such an amazing deal, will people feel cheated when they see the game in the store for 89.99? Even if it is also a good deal?

And if the game gets super funded through kickstarter, but then no one picks up a copy after it has come out, it will be a bomb. You definitely want people who missed out on the kickstarter to hear about the game and get excited, rather than feeling like they missed their only chance to get all the stuff they wanted.


Another thing, I doubt that they're going to release anything for the Sedition Wars kickstarter that is truly game changing. What I mean by that is every one of the minis with rules here will be available separately (at some point). That way, the people who bought the kickstarter aren't playing a different game from people who waited. They just got a better deal, with better rattle value.

I'm honestly more interested in the non-exclusive upgrades to the game. Sure, I'd love to have an extra tank or Grendlr, but I'd also love to see more plastic counters. And I've heard that there are counters to represent gun emplacements- having those upgraded into minis would be fantastic.

I totally agree with this. It's all well and good having a successful kickstarter. But it's pointless if you don't sell games afterwards. I would like to see future stretch goals being stuff that improves the game for everyone. Like plastic tokens etc. Or things that will mean they will be able to start thinking about what is happening with future expansions and what will go in that box or being able to release individual squads separately to the game.

Potentially if this kickstarter is successful enough it might mean that they won't need to kickstart the expansions...

I know where some people are getting at, and it's not exactly like we can get stuff from future expansions with the initial kickstarter. As cool as that might be, it's not in any way feasible.

In all reality, the 100 dollar point is getting things like more infantry for each side because they will already be producing them with the dies that are already in production/already produced and awaiting the "go-ahead and produce" order. That way they don't need anything new to be produced, just extras of certain parts of the manufacturing process that would otherwise go into making complete game sets.

It's not like they're going to overextend themselves and make the dies for figs for a future expansion before the initial game is even out, just to service the fans using kickstarter right now. All the extra stuff is essentially just a swag bag of isolated extras they are already producing to entice us to get out and do what is basically a preorder, rather than waiting for the retail release. And, frankly- that's perfectly ok with me.

I would even be very surprised if the kickstarter campaign getting high enough to give us things like plastic tokens and the under-base status disks will even be exclusive to the kickstarter at all, or if they will spill over into the retail version as a result of hitting goals. The kickstarter and it's stretch-goals are an easy way of judging how much fans want such things, as opposed to cardboard tokens.

Zwan1One wrote:I totally agree with this. It's all well and good having a successful kickstarter. But it's pointless if you don't sell games afterwards. I would like to see future stretch goals being stuff that improves the game for everyone. Like plastic tokens etc. Or things that will mean they will be able to start thinking about what is happening with future expansions and what will go in that box or being able to release individual squads separately to the game.

I know I'd like that, or the option to pay $5-10 extra for the Biohazard level to swap out the models I don't want for more of the models I do want.

But on the other side... it's hard to be picky with the selection of a boatload of stuff above and beyond the base game that's essentially free.

AegisGrimm wrote:I would even be very surprised if the kickstarter campaign getting high enough to give us things like plastic tokens and the under-base status disks will even be exclusive to the kickstarter at all, or if they will spill over into the retail version as a result of hitting goals. The kickstarter and it's stretch-goals are an easy way of judging how much fans want such things, as opposed to cardboard tokens.

I'm pretty sure that they've said that certain goals apply to every copy of the game, even the non-KS ones. I *think* the tokens, variant sculpts and Barker Zosa qualify under that heading, but I'm not 100% sure.

Dysartes wrote:

AegisGrimm wrote:I would even be very surprised if the kickstarter campaign getting high enough to give us things like plastic tokens and the under-base status disks will even be exclusive to the kickstarter at all, or if they will spill over into the retail version as a result of hitting goals. The kickstarter and it's stretch-goals are an easy way of judging how much fans want such things, as opposed to cardboard tokens.

I'm pretty sure that they've said that certain goals apply to every copy of the game, even the non-KS ones. I *think* the tokens, variant sculpts and Barker Zosa qualify under that heading, but I'm not 100% sure.

That was definitely my impression as well.

We do have to remember, the purpose of Kickstarter isn't really that the people that get in on the ground floor get amazing stuff... it's the opportunity to see products that might otherwise not make it to retail actually make it to retail. It's crowd-sourced venture capitol. All that said, I don't think we can doubt we're getting a heck of a good return; I am at Biohazard level, and at that you get, what, 75 minis for that, including 2-3 resin alternates?

I'm not, by any means, complaining. But think of this in contrast to something like LEVEL 7: the real goal of kickstarter and backing it now is so that when it ships to stores, it's justifying it's price tag (which, at $90, is considerable). The base set coming with 50 minis (51?) is the best way to be certain that this is just the first in a line of equally awesome offerings from McVey.

Heh, of course, it's also spoiled me... with deals like this on kickstarter, it's hard to get excited when the local has a sale on regular stuff, heh!

We's gettin dice, son!

Woot! Keeps going and going doesn't it

Looking forward to the next goal. IF this keeps up it'll hit over 300k easy. Which is solid capital to get this going. I'd like to see:

-More Tiles
-More of the Heavies
-All plastic game tokens
-Infected Character models
-Some custom Resin Mini's only Kickstarters have access to at first (naturally he'd sell them later)

Project Update #18: Choices, choices, choices.....
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot Like

Here are some optional items you can add to your pledge, just increase it by the appropriate amount and we'll send you a survey after the Kickstarter concludes so you can pick what you'd like. Do note the differing shipping times on some of the options.

Dice Pack - Everyone needs more dice right? Each Biohazard set already includes a set of 6, but get another set (or 3)! Ships together with the Quarantine Zone and Biohazard rewards (expected November).

Terrain Pack - This was meant to be a set of resin models sold individually to "bling" out Alabaster station, but with the overwhelming response we've decided to tool it in plastic and give you a 100% complete upgrade! Check out what you get below, SEVENTY pieces of terrain! This is expected to ship in March 2013, ships free anywhere in the world.

And of course....

Against all odds, Dr Susan Ridley has survived on Alabaster Station. Seemingly uninfected by the Strain, and with a completely shell-shocked orphan in tow, perhaps the doctor can provide the Vanguard team some insight as to what the hell is happening! $10, and Dr Ridley can lend her expertise to your team! In sculpting now, and expected to ship in March. Dr Ridley is promotional figure and will be available only on Kickstarter and at conventions.

And now, our next stretch goal!

Mmm... it appears the good doctor wasn't as healthy as she first appeared! Or is this an insidious copy designed to sow doubt and despair amongst the Vanguard?

If we hit this stretch, every unit of Dr Ridley will ship with a Strain infected version of her! Ships at the same time as Dr Ridley!

Ninja'd!

My question is, if I add to my pledge the 30 bucks and the 10 bucks for the extra items (terrain and Ripley, uh, Ridley), how will you know what I 'ordered'?

Got that in email, haven't updated the kickstarter page yet, but I am super curious about the terrain


Check and Mate, my friend

odinsgrandson wrote:
I mean, breaking kickstarter records can only mean so much for a game. One trouble, if you make the kickstarter into such an amazing deal, will people feel cheated when they see the game in the store for 89.99? Even if it is also a good deal?

And if the game gets super funded through kickstarter, but then no one picks up a copy after it has come out, it will be a bomb. You definitely want people who missed out on the kickstarter to hear about the game and get excited, rather than feeling like they missed their only chance to get all the stuff they wanted.

Another thing, I doubt that they're going to release anything for the Sedition Wars kickstarter that is truly game changing. What I mean by that is every one of the minis with rules here will be available separately (at some point). That way, the people who bought the kickstarter aren't playing a different game from people who waited. They just got a better deal, with better rattle value.

I'm honestly more interested in the non-exclusive upgrades to the game. Sure, I'd love to have an extra tank or Grendlr, but I'd also love to see more plastic counters. And I've heard that there are counters to represent gun emplacements- having those upgraded into minis would be fantastic.

Dunno. I missed out on the Zombiepocalpyse (or whatever it's called) one. If it's still a good deal, I'll be willing to buy it. Sure, everyone is online these days, but not everyone on the net is following Kickstarter. if a game is super funded through KS and then bombs at retail, it's probably not all that awesome a game in the end. Besides, it appears to me that most of the SW stretch goals are changing what comes in the base game, whether you buy at retail in 2013 or get on the KS train now. The differences seem to be in the extras like more minis etc.

It's like the bastard reads my mind! This is pretty darn awesome! $150 Donation here I come. Got to have Ripley....Ridley, extra dice to make 12 (how many I use in 40k), and the terrain is so darned reasonable!

Just because

MajorTom11 wrote:Ninja'd!

My question is, if I add to my pledge the 30 bucks and the 10 bucks for the extra items (terrain and Ripley, uh, Ridley), how will you know what I 'ordered'?

From what I've seen, when a Kickstarter wraps up they send you an email/survey thingy, and you can just tell them what you want.
My concern with this next stretch goal is that it is seemingly an upgrade for an optional upgrade - which I will probably get, but still.

It's in the updates section of the page. I'd like to see more pics of them as I'd potentially be interested in 2 terrain packs. "Bling out" my Space Hulks and every other space corridor game as well. I just want to see more concept art and scale first, though.

Allright, they got another 40 bucks out of me.

WOW!!!

Ridley and the dice are cool, but I'm not sure I'd get them. Ridley as a strong possibility, but dice are dice, and you are already getting normal dice with the base game, plus the 6 "special" die.

But the terrain packs? You 'd almost have to be stupid not to get those. I'd say 30 bucks was a huge steal for that many resin pieces, but all in plastic???

Sucks that Ridley and the terrain are not till march, though. It'd already be a 5-month wait for SW, and then 4 months more for terrain......

I'm just a sucker for custom dice. And I always try and do sets of twelve (it's the ocd gamer in me). Which means that the additional 6 are perfect for me.

As for the waiting on the terrain I'm glad he's going to be able to provide that as an upsell to the game for the more hardcore/inclined. It's a great addition and the extra 4 months seems cool to me. It'll be like an extra gift I didn't know was coming

Basically just pre-paying for the extras. The terrain pack is nice.

I'll have to think about it, but it's definitely an option.

Wow, the terrain pack is amazing, 70 pieces for $30?! It looks like it may be close to the perfect scale to do double duty for games of Infinity too.

My wallet, the pain!

Sounds like a whole load of awesome. Updated front page

Wait a minute...if I get the terrain and the new fig thats $140. Same as my zombiecide pledge ITS A CONSPIRACY!

Although, the entire "Get a Survivor/Infected Survivor" is getting a zombiecide vibe to it anyways