Massive GW release list (allegedly)

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**Vain**

UltraPrime wrote:I've asked before, but not got a satisfactory answer. Why do people here spell 'hobby' with three 'h's. I assume you do know, and haven't just been caught up in a sheep mentality.

Google is your friend and mine, oh and it links to Dakka.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/456081.page#4414194

**UltraPrime**

Vain wrote:
UltraPrime wrote:I've asked before, but not got a satisfactory answer. Why do people here spell 'hobby' with three 'h's. I assume you do know, and haven't just been caught up in a sheep mentality.

Google is your friend and mine, oh and it links to Dakka.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/456081.page#4414194

Well, that answers that. It means nothing, and, as I suspected, is a 'sheep mentality' issue.

**frozenwastes**

Sidstyler wrote:
frozenwastes wrote:
It just seems like common sense to me. Why would they waste their time and money developing game rules if most of their money comes from "craft hobbyists" who don't like the game? Why make all those changes to 6th edition that were done purely for money, like purchasable terrain or allies, if they expect people to buy every new release regardless because they just want to collect the models?

The idea of a game is what's needed to sell miniatures to most of the craft hobbyists, not the actual game.

I imagine the majority of the craft hobbyists still think of the idea of the game and may even use the force org chart to guide their collections.

So they have a game that a third to a half of their customers play, another large portion collect towards as an idea (or even think that one day, they will play) and probably a smaller minority who just buy for painting.

**Pacific**

UltraPrime wrote:
Vain wrote:
UltraPrime wrote:I've asked before, but not got a satisfactory answer. Why do people here spell 'hobby' with three 'h's. I assume you do know, and haven't just been caught up in a sheep mentality.

Google is your friend and mine, oh and it links to Dakka.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/456081.page#4414194

Well, that answers that. It means nothing, and, as I suspected, is a 'sheep mentality' issue.

It's a reference to the comedy show 'Fist of Fun' and this guys 'Hobbies'. I see you are in GB so you might recognise the guy from 'Big Train' which he was probably better known for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHDCSIJiWCM

**Palindrome**

UltraPrime wrote:
Well, that answers that. It means nothing, and, as I suspected, is a 'sheep mentality' issue.

Why would that be a sheep mentality issue?

**Shandara**

It's like the Finecrap/cost crowd, repeating the same tired phrase over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?

Talking about the Hhhobby is pretty pointless. I'm sure we're all intelligent enough to seperate the GW marketing spiel from the reality of the wargaming hobby.

**Palindrome**

Shandara wrote:
Talking about the Hhhobby is pretty pointless. I'm sure we're all intelligent enough to seperate the GW marketing spiel from the reality of the wargaming hobby.

Unless, for example, I find it offensive that any company which comprises a small part of a larger hobby pretends that it is in fact the whole. GW gets away with this as its audience is captive, relatively speaking, but Battlefront has now started to try this and it has gone down extremely poorly with historical gamers. The more people who take vocal issue with this then the more likely it is that GW will move away from their ridiculus stance, not that I think thats likely. It has nothing what so ever to do with a herd mentality.

Doubtless there there are other threads about this topic though.

**H.B.M.C.**

And here we go:

Shandara wrote:It's like the "GW is great" crowd, repeating the same tired praises over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?

Shandara wrote:It's like the Tournament/WAAC crowd, repeating the same tired complaints over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?

Shandara wrote:It's like the Casual Gamer/Comp Nazi crowd, repeating the same whining complaints over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?

Ad Hominem 101.

Why bother debating the merits of reasoning of something when you can just attack the people making the statements?

**Kroothawk**

H.B.M.C. wrote:And here we go:

Shandara wrote:It's like the "GW is great" crowd, repeating the same tired praises over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?

Shandara wrote:It's like the Tournament/WAAC crowd, repeating the same tired complaints over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?

Shandara wrote:It's like the Casual Gamer/Comp Nazi crowd, repeating the same whining complaints over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?

Ad Hominem 101.
Why bother debating the merits of reasoning of something when you can just attack the people making the statements?

It's like Shandara, repeating the same whining complaints over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it.

Back to topic now:

Archibald_TK wrote:To add a little credibility to the rumour, about removing the list of leaked Hobbit releases from its blog, Faeit just posted:

So no, GW did not contact me about the Hobbit information.
New Line Cinema on the other hand. Well enough said.
(...)
Just to be clear, New Line Cinema is very protective of their Hobbit product. They did not contact me directly telling me to remove the post.

With my past experiences with the movie industry, and a brief conversation that occurred shortly after I put up the post, I decided that I did not want the additional drama.

Vovin from Warseer wrote:I spend some hours to analyze the numerical codes in the list to find out if they are nonsensical or if there is a recognizable system behind them. Short answer: the code makes sense and isn’t very hard to decipher. Here’s what I have found out. Unfortunately, there are no release dates hidden in the codes. Basically the numerical code contains the same information as the affixes behind the product names plus the game system, the army and a four digit number. I do not know if these kinds of code make sense in a business environment and if they are commonly used. But from a mathematical standpoint, the numbers are consistent and not random at all.

First digit: game system
1 = Fantasy
2 = 40k
5 = Hobbit
9 = White Dwarf + Frodo + Turin, coincidentally miniatures with the pr affix

Second+third digit: army
00 = Space Marines or Dwarfs in the LotR system
and so on

71 = Daemons in 40k
86 = Daemons in Fantasy

The Adventures have the same codes as the armies, for example The Fall of Dale has the code 508 which stands for Hobbit + Grey Mountain Dragons, which makes sense because Dale was destroyed by dragons. But the entry is duplicated and has the code 506 = Humans as well. Dale was a human city. I dare say it is likely that adventure sets contain miniatures from more than one range, like mini starter-boxes. Some adventures have only one code and apparently belong only to a single range.

4th-7th digit: box number
I think these digits have to be interpreted as a single unique number from 0000 to 9999 for each release (together with digits 1-3). There are no releases with the exact same first seven digits. There are some code that only differentiate in a single of these digits (and the last, this is later explained), however, which let me believe that these digits are one entity.

There are huge gaps between some releases. They are not just counting continuously from 0000 to 9999. For example, one release has the number 2004625x and the next higher is 200428x instead of 2004626x. However, some items are grouped together without these gaps, for example the space marine fortress that consists of three boxes with the numbers 2004623x, 2004624x and 2004625x. There are more of these grouped entries.

The order of these numbers do not correlate with the order in which the items appear in the original list.

8th digit: material
This one is easy. Exactly every finecast release has a 3 at this position, every plastic release has a 1.

9th + 10th digit: box
a10 = 10
b07 = 07
and so on

11th digit: Len_X, Xian, Sou
Len_A= 4
Len_B= 1
Len_C= 5
XianD= 8
Sou= 7

12th + 13th digit:
these are the two digits that come before the cc column
02: This is the most common entry in these columns.
03: exactly the Tau, Chaos SM and Daemon (40k and fantasy codes) releases
11: Grotesques, Avatar of Khaine, Imperial Guard releases
04: only Phoenixlord Kymedoc
What’s so special about these products?

14th digit: cc
cc= 0
another product code = 9
li=7
pr=8
mf=1
I don’t know what this means. The majority of the releases has a cc entry here. Only the squiggotaur has mf. Only the 999 releases Frodo, Turin and the White Dwarves have pr. Gwethil and the two Space Marine upgrade packs have li. Someone else in this thread already stated that boxes that are released for two different armies have the other product code in this column.
I don’t understand why there are only two letter abbreviations in this column when it can clearly carry a much longer string.

15th digit: checksum
I am really proud of myself for deciphering this. Thanks to Halva at gw-fanworld.net for putting me on the right track.
This digit is a checksum that is used to make it easy for a machine to recognize if a wrong number is entered. This is used in almost every numerical code like EANs, bank account numbers, etc. There are many different methods. This code uses the most standard variant. Take every odd digit and every even digit multiplied by 3. Add all these number for the first 14 digits. Than choose the 15th so that if you add it to the sum, the total can be divided by 10 without fractions. See wikipedia for details, it is quite easy.
This method holds true for every single entry in this list! This cannot be coincidence. Either the one who faked the list has not only deep knowledge of both the hobbit and 40k, but also of mathematical verification methods or the list is genuine. In the end, this convinces me that the list is the real thing.

Questions:
Why are there gaps between the individual product numbers?
What does mf, li and pr mean?
What does column 12 & 13 mean?

**Jadenim**

Just speculation, but I work in engineering and it's quite common to leave large gaps in blocks of numbers when assigining them to parts, drawings, etc, so that if you want to add a related item at a later date you can give it an adjacent number. I'd guess GW would do something similar.

For example, if they have currently planned three SM fortress kits (2004623x, 2004624x and 2004625x from above) then they might want to reserve 2004626 for a future, as yet unplanned release.

**H.B.M.C.**

What does mf, li and pr mean?

Pr is associated with Turin (a character that as far as I know can't be in The Hobbit), Frodo (someone who has a minor role in The Hobbit), and the two White Dwarves.

What are White Dwarf models? Models that usually come with anniversaries or White Dwarf subscriptions or to celebrate something. In other words they are promotional models. Remember Invisible Frodo? I'm betting that was a promotional model as well.

The li code? Maybe limited release?

The mf code? I have no mf'ing idea!

**Howard A Treesong**

Was invisible Frodo really that limited? I bought it off the shelf.

**pretre**

Sidstyler wrote:
pretre wrote:I never understood the "I don't play but here's my opinion on it" crowd.

Hit "Ignore". Problem solved.

You say you don't understand, but you must understand completely because you're doing the exact same thing.

You're missing the point. I am not saying that you don't have the right to bitch about it. I'm saying that bitching about something that you have no investment in because you don't play the game is silly. I have investment in this thread because I do play the game. Hence when players come in and say "I haven't read the book, so I have no real idea" or "I haven't played 40k in 2 years, so here's my uneducated opinion", it can be a bit annoying.

Ignoring is saved for the truly repugnant anyways. It wasn't meant to be used on people you disagree with exclusively.

**H.B.M.C.**

pretre wrote:I'm saying that bitching about something that you have no investment in because you don't play the game is silly.

Doesn't that make the assumption that in order to have an investment in you therefore need to play the game?

**pretre**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
pretre wrote:I'm saying that bitching about something that you have no investment in because you don't play the game is silly.

Doesn't that make the assumption that in order to have an investment in you therefore need to play the game?

To an extent, yes. Although I even gave credit for playing FFG and therefore having investment in the universe previously, although I still think complaining about fluff in a alleged release thread is silly.

What I really don't enjoy is people who pop in and say 'You know who doesn't have this problem? Warmachine. You guys should go play that.' or 'I haven't read a rulebook for 6th, or I've played one game, but here is why 6th is a giant piece of garbage.' or 'I stopped playing 40k because of price rises a year ago and I came in here to bitch about GW all over this release thread.' They are all off topic and not really helpful (not that this is on topic, other than to respond to your inquiry).

Back on topic, I think the product code analysis was very insightful and pushes me back towards wanting to believe. I told my wife that our bank account may take a hit when sisters come out and she asked 'Don't you have enough? How many points of sisters do you need???'

**Shandara**

pretre wrote:
... and she asked 'Don't you have enough? How many points of sisters do you need???'

Is this some sort of code?

**pretre**

Shandara wrote:
pretre wrote:
... and she asked 'Don't you have enough? How many points of sisters do you need???'

Is this some sort of code?

Not sure what you're going for.

It was literally, "Don't you have enough sisters models...?"

**Melissia**

Obviously the answer is "all of them".

**pretre**

Melissia wrote:Obviously the answer is "all of them".

My bank account and storage space cannot support that answer.

**Lokas**

Then clearly you need more money and storage.

I'd suggest robbing a bank. Steal literally the whole vault. Bury it in your back yard. Can you say hobby den?

**Melissia**

Then you have failed.

**nolzur**

AegisGrimm wrote:
Spectral Dragon wrote:
TzeentchNet wrote:His old model is pretty terrible.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1130401

That is not a terrible model. That is, however, a fairly terrible paint job considering it was done as a display piece.

I say meh. I can make a very nice Cypher for about 50% the price of any actual one by using plastic robed Dark Angel parts, and it's unique to me.

I actually really like that model...

**DemetriDominov**

Anyone notice the comments about the movies?

**AegisGrimm**

To be fair, some of us keep up with things for other (completely legitimate) reasons. I haven't played a game of 40K using GW's rules since 4th Ed was released, but I have to keep up with what's going on because it could directly impact some of the work I do for FFG.

To each his own. I actually buy the new models to play with 4th edition rules. Counts-as (Rifle-armed Scourges as Swooping Hawks, ok!) and VDR (any kind of flier) are my best friend for being able to use the latest cool models without the rules and codex updates.

I can guarantee there are plenty of hobbyists out there who collect, convert, and paint the models for an army, with much less emphasis on playing. Why? Because I'm one of them, for more than 15 years. I am halfway through a 2000pt. Eldar army right now, with two variant 2000pt Space marine armies, 1000pts of Chaos marines, 1500pts of Sisters of Battle, a Kroot Merc army, 2,000pts of Necrons, and 2000pts of yet to be painted Space Wolves.

I also have three Necromunda gangs, two Gorkamorka gangs, and two fleets of BFG.

And I haven't played more than a half-dozen games in 8 years due to a lack of interest in the area. Last game was in 3rd edition. I have played a ton of games of AT43 and Confrontation: Age of Ragnorok, though. i finally found a buddy to play 40K with, and it will be with 4e rules.

**timd**

Werewargs!

Re: 504018111870208 Wargs: The Werebeast PL a18 Sou_A 02 cc

Found these pics posted on http://www.ucforums.com in the Hobbit thread:
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/vlog1-20-copy.jpg
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/vlog1-18-copy.jpg

Edited to correct links.

Photos apparently confirm that there is a upright Warg, quite possibly a Warg version of a Werebeast.

**evildrcheese**

Links to the pics don't seem to be working for me?

Big tease or user error?

D

**tuiman**

Not working for me either

**Melissia**

No, and there's no reason they would work. They aren't complete links.

**pretre**

Spoiler:

They have nothing to do with the minis.

**H.B.M.C.**

Yeah. Looks like mokap tests. Meh.