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Pacific wrote:pretre very nearly invoked Godwin's law, but it's important that everyone stays calm and doesn't say it...

I don't know ward you're talking about... I mean what you're talking about. Ahem.

Oh that's draigos law not Godwin's.

Kroothawk wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:... and it sells out in the blink of an eye, leaving most people without access to the rules (unless they download illegal scans).

For GW managers, it is a huge success, if your complete stock lasts only two days. I am expecting the next starter box to be 5000 boxes worldwide

Alkasyn wrote:Where can you purchase the rules from GW?

On the Apple apps website. Oh, don't forget to add a 400$ IPad so you can read the files

That's a pretty hefty price tag for a few pages

TzeentchNet wrote:His old model is pretty terrible.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1130401

That is not a terrible model. That is, however, a fairly terrible paint job considering it was done as a display piece.

H.B.M.C. wrote:... and it sells out in the blink of an eye, leaving most people without access to the rules (unless they download illegal scans).

But we would never do that.

Would be cool if this rumour was true, so I think I am going to be cautiously optimistic like a few others in the thread.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:... and it sells out in the blink of an eye, leaving most people without access to the rules (unless they download illegal scans).

But we would never do that.

.......Buy White Dwarf you mean?

pretre wrote:I never understood the "I don't play but here's my opinion on it" crowd.

Hit "Ignore". Problem solved.

You say you don't understand, but you must understand completely because you're doing the exact same thing. It would be so much easier to just ignore a person when they keep talking about something and you disagree or otherwise don't want any part of it, but you don't: instead you complain about it publicly, drawing attention to the "problem" and hoping that by calling them out on it they'll stop doing it. Same thing with us and 40k, I used to play the game and now that GW have taken huge steps backwards with the core rules and completely invalidated two armies I really liked (Tyranids and Dark Eldar) while leaving the only other army I have without an update through an entire edition (still more playable than the two I mentioned, but boring as feth because only a few units in the book work and everything else is garbage, especially now with allies so I can spend those points on better units from a Space Marine book instead of taking the crap from my own), I've just about lost all interest in doing anything 40k related, except bitch about how GW has wasted my time and money in the vain hope that someone, somewhere will be reading this gak and something may come of it (some of you seem to believe GW is doing some kind of "market research" with the rumor blackout crap, reading wishlists on forums and crap, so if that's the case then maybe someone will be reading this and pass the gak along...GW won't listen or care, but still). Also, the reason I'm not bitching as hard about WM/H is obviously because I haven't played the game yet and don't have a strong opinion about it one way or another, unlike 40k where I played for years and got "forced" to stop by GW's constant bs.

It would be easier for me to just ignore GW and every GW-related post from now on and start spending all my money on Dropzone Commander (I finally got the rulebook, debating about whether or not to run out and buy a UCM starter right now or hold off and order some things later), but I don't. And I'm not going to. Because this is a discussion forum and I'm specifically allowed to "discuss" things without always having to take your side on things. If you don't like that you're free to hit that stupid button and censor me and everyone else who disagrees with you, but you're not going to convince me what I'm doing is stupid or wrong.

You can take my dollies but you'll never take my freedom eh Sid. Do you paint yourself blue for those posts?

Seriously though how has DE and Tyranids been killed off?

Not killed off, invalidated.

The DE playstyle doesn't mesh with 6th at all well, and the codex rewrite for Nids was half-assed at best.

What I find funny is that people say that the Hobbits is all under wraps and stuff...

Here in NZ the are FILMING IT RIGHT NEXT TO A STATEHIGHWAY!!

notprop wrote:Seriously though how has DE and Tyranids been killed off?

...do you not know what the word "invalidated" means?

In the context I was using it "invalidated" is entirely correct, I was accusing GW of leaving Tyranids and Dark Eldar "in poor or weakened condition". Not "killed off", though in the state they're in they might as well be. Next time you get in a hurry to make someone look foolish you might do well to avoid making yourself look like a fool, too.

redkommando wrote:What I find funny is that people say that the Hobbits is all under wraps and stuff...

Here in NZ the are FILMING IT RIGHT NEXT TO A STATEHIGHWAY!!

This is NZ man, they can do these sorts of things because were so laid back.

redkommando wrote:What I find funny is that people say that the Hobbits is all under wraps and stuff...

Here in NZ the are FILMING IT RIGHT NEXT TO A STATEHIGHWAY!!

Well, whatever you do, don't give away the ending...

English Assassin wrote:

redkommando wrote:What I find funny is that people say that the Hobbits is all under wraps and stuff...

Here in NZ the are FILMING IT RIGHT NEXT TO A STATEHIGHWAY!!

Well, whatever you do, don't give away the ending...

Wow the funny thing is that I also assume everyone knows the story. But how many people will buy tickets that have no idea what is going on. And have already watched the "Lord of the rings"

I'll bet we have folks upset that someone made a Lotr prequel

And to get back on topic, ya can't make everyone happy all the time, but if GW makes half that list I'm looking forward to it.

I also hope the ork buggys are more like the FW art.....




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TzeentchNet wrote:

Spoiler:

Frodo kills Dumbeldore.

You made me snarf my beer!!!

Nagashek wrote:

pretre wrote:I never understood the "I don't play but here's my opinion on it" crowd. Not like I pop into the WMH forums to complain about their release schedule.

Because I played 40k until 6th came out? To head off the inevitable "if you don't like it go play something else!" response by mentioning I do, in fact, now play another game. And also the sort of soul sucking amusement I derive from these discussions.

There is, of course, the vain hope that GW is coming to its senses. That the game is improving. That the emotional stock I have had invested in this game because of the summer campaigns of a decade back will be vindicated. I can still be swayed to play, but not by anything less than a campaign rule set. I don't see what's wrong with checking in on something you care about from time to time. This game is like the girlfriend you once loved who made a string of bad decisions. Maybe it was drugs. Maybe it was cheating on you. For whatever reason, you had to let her go because your love and words of encouragement were not enough to fix the problem. She continued to make mistakes, and holding onto her was poisonous to you. You never stopped loving her. And though you've let her go and moved on, you check in on her from time to time just to see how she's doing. You pray that she has become a better person over the years, and you just shake your head in sadness when you see her repeating the same mistakes all over again, and all her friends keep insisting that she's doing "so much better now than before!" and "she's changed!" but you know better. She's not the girl you fell in love with, and it grieves you that she may never be that again.

Understand?

I believe they call that stalking

I believe you don't know what "stalking" is then if that's the case, speaking as someone who's still currently friends with a girl that got involved with drugs and hated seeing what it did to her.

Thanks Sid. I didn't think we were off-topic enough. You've helped fix that.

Okay then.

I think the release list is stupid because GW is stupid.



Actually, come to think of it, I was wondering if the "Ork klan fort" would just be a "counts-as" Fortress of Redemption for Orks. So they would be doing race-specific terrain, but it would still use the same rules as the Imperial-themed stuff in the core rules and just have a different name.

Im just betting whatever supplement that includes these allies are going to add more in the way of faction specific terrain... and that many of these kits will be meant to additionally allow one to make the generic terrain more racially appropriate.

It'd be nice if the new terrain rules came out in the allies book and not WD.

Spectral Dragon wrote:

TzeentchNet wrote:His old model is pretty terrible.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1130401

That is not a terrible model. That is, however, a fairly terrible paint job considering it was done as a display piece.

I say meh. I can make a very nice Cypher for about 50% the price of any actual one by using plastic robed Dark Angel parts, and it's unique to me.

How are you supposed to get the rules if white dwarf sells out and you don't have an iPad anyway?

You cant unless its an illegal download or such.



At this point.

pretre wrote:I never understood the "I don't play but here's my opinion on it" crowd. Not like I pop into the WMH forums to complain about their release schedule.

According to Jervis (in 2008), the majority of GW's customers do not play their game. He called them "craft hobbyists." They buy miniatures to collect, build and paint. I have 40k & WFB miniatures (some daemons, some metal space marine scouts, some wood elves, etc.,) but I don't play the game.

Why should someone have to play the game to have an opinion on when models come out and what models? Most of GW customers fit into that category.

pretre wrote:I never understood the "I don't play but here's my opinion on it" crowd.

To be fair, some of us keep up with things for other (completely legitimate) reasons. I haven't played a game of 40K using GW's rules since 4th Ed was released, but I have to keep up with what's going on because it could directly impact some of the work I do for FFG.

frozenwastes wrote:According to Jervis (in 2008), the majority of GW's customers do not play their game.

I still think that's bs. I'd accuse him of lying outright if I had even the barest scrap of proof.

Or maybe it is true, the majority of their customers may be strictly hobbyists who don't play games...who buy one model here or there just to collect. But I'd bet on the fact that the majority of their money comes from people who collect entire armies to play the game with, and royalties from licensing.

It just seems like common sense to me. Why would they waste their time and money developing game rules if most of their money comes from "craft hobbyists" who don't like the game? Why make all those changes to 6th edition that were done purely for money, like purchasable terrain or allies, if they expect people to buy every new release regardless because they just want to collect the models?

Simple; The hhhobby types will buy whatever cool models are released, the rules let them rinse the players too.

All bases covered that way.

I do find the gripes about how the rules are released a silly critisism of a production list particularly where those that are complaining then go on to say they don't play (too cool for school I suspect).

The commonality for all of us is the models, this list therefore can only be good news simply for the breadth of new releases on it.

notprop wrote:Simple; The hhhobby types will buy whatever cool models are released, the rules let them rinse the players too.

All bases covered that way.

I do find the gripes about how the rules are released a silly critisism of a production list particularly where those that are complaining then go on to say they don't play (too cool for school I suspect).

The commonality for all of us is the models, this list therefore can only be good news simply for the breadth of new releases on it.

I've asked before, but not got a satisfactory answer. Why do people here spell 'hobby' with three 'h's. I assume you do know, and haven't just been caught up in a sheep mentality.