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As much as I dislike KS (If you are not behind your project and are willing to risk your money, do not start it!), it would make sense here!
I totally agree with robertsjf and judgedoug.

Speaking of one more good company. This is great news... I don't think I've heard of these guys before Prosody. I loved warzone.... the rules where awesome, the backstory was pretty cool, but the models lacked a bit. If these are multi-part styrene kits with but in customization in mind.... could be a hit. Brotherhood, Imperial, Bauhaus, Cybertronic.... Awesome news.

I like it ! I want more info !

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I don't think not doing Bauhaus and Imperial would be "amazingly" stupid. Sure it would bum me out a bit not to see Bauhaus, but if I still back them at the beginning and it is a huge success I get to try something new, and make sure the product gets developped later on.

Trying new stuff out. Could be fun.

And yes, Valerie Duval can come back any minute now.

Oh, oh, oh! I know! Don't do all the factions, but at least make doomtroopers from all factions so we get a wee bit of a taste.

I think it makes sense to do the factions that have vastly different asthetics first than Capital, Imperial and Bauhaus which kind of feel samey.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

As awesome as this is, I have to ask. Since when do Razides wear pants?

It's a flesh robe, made from the skins of its victims. No one wants to see smooth, bare Ken-like pubes.

Eh, I just prefer the original rendition. I guess doing a "naked" version would make it hard to potion the torso in a multipart model, but something like an ammo belt or even a chain would work better. I think the second edition model had a belt even though it was one piece. I can always convert mine.

Also, that doesn't look like a Nazgaroth. What weapons is that?

You know what, guys, the more previews I see, the more I cool down on this whole thing. It's the sculpts and design choices, really. The sculpts in and of themselves aren't bad by any means, but they're merely competent, yet utterly soulless, like renders for a generic, bland video game shooter. I also object to the decision of covering up the Razide's junk, or lack thereof, as silly as it might sound. What's the rationale behind it, besides ruining the original concept and nature of the beast? Also, judging by the proto-cast shown a few days back, the sculptor botched the head and how it connects to the torso. See where the middle of the "mouth" connects to the chest? It's off-center.

Next - who came up with the idea of running that horizontal line across Atilla's chin? It makes him look like he's got a lower lip instead of a bare jaw! It looks ridiculous instead of threatening.

I don't know, I need something to knock me off my feet, and fast, 'cause I'm not impressed with what I'm seeing. It all looks so... amateurish, including the publicity campaign, though make no mistake, I have no doubt the folk behind it are competent.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
What weapons is that?

Hard to tell from the angle but I would guess plasmacaster.

My only concern at this point is that the detail is deep enough. It's really easy to sculpt detail that looks deep in CAD format or a render but is actually very shallow if you were to make a 3d form of it. Deep detail is so much easier to paint than shallow detail. It's also so much easier to see given that everything is a scaled down version as these are miniatures.

Honestly being buck-nekkid wasn't one of the defining features of the Razide to me. Then again, who knows when you're dealing with multi-part minis, maybe one of the lower bodies has pants and there are nekkid ones as well. We wont really know until a wider roll-out.

But either way, the defining features of the Razide were all about its upper body. Its hulk-esque silhouette is what really made it what it was.

The said, I could see its gun being a slightly redesigned Nazgaroth. It still has the general look of one (large barrel, spike-like bayonet) but is a lot less boxy than the original. However, it is a lot smaller, so maybe a Soulshearer? Either that or an all new weapon.

Edit - Hmm, or a Hellblaster, like those carried by the Nasca Razide.

I think the new razide looks so much better than the original miniature. I'm really liking the move away from the terrible proportions of the original miniatures.

 -DE- wrote:
You know what, guys, the more previews I see, the more I cool down on this whole thing. It's the sculpts and design choices, really. The sculpts in and of themselves aren't bad by any means, but they're merely competent, yet utterly soulless, like renders for a generic, bland video game shooter. I also object to the decision of covering up the Razide's junk, or lack thereof, as silly as it might sound. What's the rationale behind it, besides ruining the original concept and nature of the beast? Also, judging by the proto-cast shown a few days back, the sculptor botched the head and how it connects to the torso. See where the middle of the "mouth" connects to the chest? It's off-center.

Next - who came up with the idea of running that horizontal line across Atilla's chin? It makes him look like he's got a lower lip instead of a bare jaw! It looks ridiculous instead of threatening.

I don't know, I need something to knock me off my feet, and fast, 'cause I'm not impressed with what I'm seeing. It all looks so... amateurish, including the publicity campaign, though make no mistake, I have no doubt the folk behind it are competent.

Ehhh criticism is so simple....
Not only renders they show http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4979985813318&set=o.121888887983248&type=1&theater
Congratulations but your in 1% people on this forum that are not impressed...

 Sidstyler wrote:
On the contrary I kinda hope there isn't a Kickstarter. I'm getting pretty damn sick of them at this point.

Yeah, this. I'd prefer to be able to buy them on the 15th. Rather than pay for them on the 15th to receive in November October March 2014

Looks like they posted the full mockup. Still unsure whether the gun is a re-design (definitely big enough for a Nazgaroth from this angle). And looks like the pants are just a loincloth (should help break up the model and add a bit of contrast to it).

 Azazelx wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
On the contrary I kinda hope there isn't a Kickstarter. I'm getting pretty damn sick of them at this point.

Yeah, this. I'd prefer to be able to buy them on the 15th. Rather than pay for them on the 15th to receive in November October March 2014

Lol, I kinda like your snark here. It would be nice to just do the old fashioned, "here's my money in exchange for your product" kinda thing. It seems that they already are further along than some KSs have been *COUGH*Gates of Antares*COUGH* so maybe we can actually do the old-school way.

-C6

 Ronin_eX wrote:


Looks like they posted the full mockup. Still unsure whether the gun is a re-design (definitely big enough for a Nazgaroth from this angle). And looks like the pants are just a loincloth (should help break up the model and add a bit of contrast to it).

I'm actually fine with this. It will be easy for me to revert it and it's clearly a design choice to allow at least some variation. I do however notice they changed the leg design. I admit I prefer the original one. It made the guy bulkier. Perhaps it didn't translate well into 3d format.

Yeah, I like Kickstarters that get in to the game later on in development so that they can generate funding for things like printing books and producing the physical miniatures using higher-grade material than they had originally planned. Kickstarters that have you buy-in at square one are a lot riskier in that regard. Considering how much legwork they've already done, I would definitely kick in on the project. And being this far along, they would have a better idea of stretch goals that wouldn't introduce much scope creep. The main problem a lot of KS's have is they happen really early and a lot of stretch goals are these blue sky ideas that add a lot of scope creep.

But so far along, Prodos probably already knows what they would do with a larger pool of money, so they could budget accordingly and avoid getting too out there with stretch goals. They are in a great place to either do a traditional pre-order (which has the upside of not coming with stretch goals if it becomes really popular; but can cause a lot more backlash if something is late) or a Kickstarter (which comes with stretch goals if it gets popular, but people seem more forgiving of slipping deadlines) and be in a good place.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
I'm actually fine with this. It will be easy for me to revert it and it's clearly a design choice to allow at least some variation. I do however notice they changed the leg design. I admit I prefer the original one. It made the guy bulkier. Perhaps it didn't translate well into 3d format.

I quite like the leg extension, myself. I don't think the ultra-tiny legs translated well to the physical medium. People probably would have claimed it was just a rip-off of a Khador warjack if it had kept the weird proportions.

But I can see why someone would miss the more traditional design.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
I quite like the leg extension, myself. I don't think the ultra-tiny legs translated well to the physical medium. People probably would have claimed it was just a rip-off of a Khador warjack if it had kept the weird proportions.

But I can see why someone would miss the more traditional design.

I think my last post didn't come out right.

I LOVE IT!

There, all fixed.

Now, I think Bonner's rendition was pretty well done even though it did sport disproportionally short legs, but the miniatures never did it justice so it might just be a case of good transition from 2d to 3d being impossible. It happens, no big deal. I might even try to do an old school version once I get my hands on it.

Seems they like us digging for more official pics:

I agree the lower jaw should be solid. Other than that it looks good. Kinda wish they'd go with the original skull design there. Nothing I can't fix myself though.

I'm starting to think that there simply may be more than one option for them. So far we have the ABC Warrior head and now the visored one. Makes sense if they want to go with mutli-part cases. One big criticism of the old Warzone minis was how samey the units could be. Giving a handful of different head options is certainly a good way to go. I still like the ABC Warrior head the most though. Evokes the classic Cyber look while twigging off of the 2000AD aesthetic.

looking for this....

also looking for this one??

I just wanted to say. After seeing the old art for the Dark Legion troopers, and then seeing the Generic Cyber Zombies they went with....

I hope they consider revisiting them, and trying to go with a updated version of the old look. The old ones are pretty distinctive and had a cool 80's metal vibe going on, well the new ones look like Generic FPS cannon fodder.

As for the robo dude. It looks more like a face then a skull now. It's kinda a odd choice. Less terminator, and more buttler bot?
*Shrugs*

Doesn't look nearly as threatening as the concept art.

 Lockark wrote:
I just wanted to say. After seeing the old art for the Dark Legion troopers, and then seeing the Generic Cyber Zombies they went with....

I hope they consider revisiting them, and trying to go with a updated version of the old look. The old ones are pretty distinctive and had a cool 80's metal vibe going on, well the new ones look like Generic FPS cannon fodder.

As for the robo dude. It looks more like a face then a skull now. It's kinda a odd choice. Less terminator, and more buttler bot?
*Shrugs*

Doesn't look nearly as threatening as the concept art.

i agre whit you ther

 Lockark wrote:
I just wanted to say. After seeing the old art for the Dark Legion troopers, and then seeing the Generic Cyber Zombies they went with....

I hope they consider revisiting them, and trying to go with a updated version of the old look. The old ones are pretty distinctive and had a cool 80's metal vibe going on, well the new ones look like Generic FPS cannon fodder.

As for the robo dude. It looks more like a face then a skull now. It's kinda a odd choice. Less terminator, and more buttler bot?
*Shrugs*

Doesn't look nearly as threatening as the concept art.

They look like the Undead Legionnaires that Simon Bisley did up for the covers of the Golgotha comics to me. I actually kind of like it a bit better than the viking-hat ULs. And of course all you really need to add are shouldpads and maybe some helmets to make 'em more Bonner-style. But borg'd zombies certainly has a resonance in the source material as well.