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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 keezus wrote:
I wonder how the Khornetress walls will fit in with 40k Bastions as the towers.

Well I own a fair few of those as well, so I guess we'll find out.

Holy gak dude... crazy.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 keezus wrote:
I wonder how the Khornetress walls will fit in with 40k Bastions as the towers.

Well I own a fair few of those as well, so I guess we'll find out.

Holy gak dude... crazy.

Wow... I knew H.B.M.C. had a terrain addiction, but... you could probably build a plastic city!

 streamdragon wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:I think yours was definitely fine. I just hope we see something different soon, because the Sigmarites and Chaos is really getting dull now, and I'd like to see the direction they take some of the other races in.

Given the only release so far has been repacking a unit from 2008-ish (I think?), I'm guessing "nowhere new".

RiTides wrote:As for Sigmarites and Chaos being the most popular AoS factions - of course, they're the only ones with new models for AoS!

Nu-uh, Skaven got totally new models!


Wait, no, bases. I meant bases.

Well, Skaven did technically get new models--during End Times.

Stormfiends, Thanquol+Boneripper, Verminlords, and the plastic clamshell Warlord and Grey Seer.

 -Shrike- wrote:
Wow... I knew H.B.M.C. had a terrain addiction, but... you could probably build a plastic city!

Already have one of those too. Cities of Death was a good time for me.

I really should take photos of all this stuff and put them up here. Basically none of it's painted, 'cause I both hate and cannot painting, but it'd be fun to show just how much stuff there is.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:I think yours was definitely fine. I just hope we see something different soon, because the Sigmarites and Chaos is really getting dull now, and I'd like to see the direction they take some of the other races in.

Given the only release so far has been repacking a unit from 2008-ish (I think?), I'm guessing "nowhere new".

RiTides wrote:As for Sigmarites and Chaos being the most popular AoS factions - of course, they're the only ones with new models for AoS!

Nu-uh, Skaven got totally new models!


Wait, no, bases. I meant bases.

Well, Skaven did technically get new models--during End Times.

Stormfiends, Thanquol+Boneripper, Verminlords, and the plastic clamshell Warlord and Grey Seer.

Plus, I don't think Skaven needed that many new models. Their aesthetic seems to translate well to AOS as it is. I imagine we may see some changes we factions like High Elves, the Empire, and Lizardmen, but others (Beastmen, Skaven, Treemen, Ogres maybe?) should fit in well enough that a simple repackaging should suffice.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
Wow... I knew H.B.M.C. had a terrain addiction, but... you could probably build a plastic city!

Already have one of those too. Cities of Death was a good time for me.

I really should take photos of all this stuff and put them up here. Basically none of it's painted, 'cause I both hate and cannot painting, but it'd be fun to show just how much stuff there is.

Wow.. so, what do you do, assemble, and play the terrain grey?

Incidentally, I saw it at the store yesterday, the little keep comes in a Bastion sized box, and the big keep with the wall comes in a thicker than bastion size box (and I think heavier), but the same footprint.

 Talys wrote:
Wow.. so, what do you do, assemble, and play the terrain grey?

Like playing with unpainted stuff has never happened... I think I've only ever played two fully-painted games, EVER... ;-)

Here you go, the Overlord Bastion.

I never took it out of their box, since I had no intention of buying it, but I wanted to see how much stuff it comes with. The footprint of the box is the same as (imperial) bastion, and it has a tabbed opening at the top like Imperial Knight.



@JohnnyHell - yeah, not a criticism by any means I've seen tons of grey legions too, just not usually tons of grey *terrain*.

Yeah, painting figs and painting terrain are totally different. I really love painting terrain but painting figs is an uphill battle for me.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
Wow... I knew H.B.M.C. had a terrain addiction, but... you could probably build a plastic city!

Already have one of those too. Cities of Death was a good time for me.

I really should take photos of all this stuff and put them up here. Basically none of it's painted, 'cause I both hate and cannot painting, but it'd be fun to show just how much stuff there is.

HBMC's Grey Legion is infamous lol. "Grey and Proud!" is probably their battlecry lol.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 8:14 PM BST, Kolbalt266 . <> wrote:
Any news on Squig Gobba and other monsters rules for age of sigmar?


On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 2:13 PM BST, Forgeworld <forgeworld@gwplc.com> wrote:
Hi there,

As far as I am aware they are still coming soon. I do believe playtesting is complete now though!

Thanks!
Regards,
Forge World

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PLAYTESTING HAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHA

No seriously.. The old Squig gobba rules were completely broken.

As there's no points value any more, what's the point of play testing?

 bubber wrote:
As there's no points value any more, what's the point of play testing?

All sorts of reasons. Even if you buy into the idea that the game isn't at all balanced anymore because points are gone (tip: there are loads of balanced games that don't have points systems, and WFB wasn't balanced with points anyway), GW want people to buy certain kits, so they make them powerful or necessary for army composition, etc. That right there is a reason for playtesting. Do we want to sell a lot of this? Buff it. Do we want people to be able to use this so they aren't gak-talking us online but we would rather they bought something new too? Nerf it and buff the new kit.

If thats the reason for playtesting, than every new release HAS to be stronger than the last one.
Which obviously is not the case.

They eiter don't playtest or just roll a few dice in one or maybe two games.

They suck and failed miserably.

RoninXiC wrote:
If thats the reason for playtesting, than every new release HAS to be stronger than the last one.
Which obviously is not the case.

They eiter don't playtest or just roll a few dice in one or maybe two games.

They suck and failed miserably.

Nah, that's not true. You want some things to be powerful, some things to be less so, some things to be necessary to get bonuses or field legal armies, etc. It's a lot more complicated than "every new thing needs to be more powerful". You can only get away with so much of that before people catch on. You'd clearly be awful at this.

I mean, they don't do any playtesting, we know they don't, my point is there are reasons why it's a good idea beyond "so that we can decide how many points X is worth".

At the very least you want models to represent their relative power/role on the tabletop. If your lightly armored elven archers suck at shooting but work great as a tarpit melee unit then there's something wrong, points or no points.

You also want to make sure the rules are actually functional, and don't break when they encounter other rules combinations.

 insaniak wrote:
You also want to make sure the rules are actually functional, and don't break when they encounter other rules combinations.

...which means they didn't playtest, right

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
HBMC's Grey Legion is infamous lol. "Grey and Proud!" is probably their battlecry lol.

Yup.

Anyone know how large the new keep/towers are in comparison to the old towers of the Warhammer Fortress?

Well my walls have shipped. Guess we'll see if I get 'em today or if I have to wait 'til Monday.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
HBMC's Grey Legion is infamous lol. "Grey and Proud!" is probably their battlecry lol.

Yup.

How come? I mean I see one attempt there at painting but it seems a waste.

You could simply stop buying and get someone else to paint them?

 Swastakowey wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
HBMC's Grey Legion is infamous lol. "Grey and Proud!" is probably their battlecry lol.

Yup.

How come? I mean I see one attempt there at painting but it seems a waste.

You could simply stop buying and get someone else to paint them?

My brother is a bit like HBMC- gets more pleasure out of building/converting kits than painting. Whereas I prefer to paint my stuff.

Far be it for me to say what someone should do with their models, but terrain is really easy to paint quickly. If you don't care to do anything exceptional to it, you can simply spray paint it some color (like a dark grey), and drybrush it with a big drybrush (say, a lighter grey).. Even if you do nothing else, it will look reasonable. If you want to go the extra step, just take a big wash brush before the drybrush and use something like Agrax/Nuhln or AP Strong (or Dark) Shade.

It's essentially all you get out of prepainted prefabs (like battlefield in a box) anyhow, and it certainly looks decent on the table.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
HBMC's Grey Legion is infamous lol. "Grey and Proud!" is probably their battlecry lol.

Yup.

How come? I mean I see one attempt there at painting but it seems a waste.

You could simply stop buying and get someone else to paint them?

My brother is a bit like HBMC- gets more pleasure out of building/converting kits than painting. Whereas I prefer to paint my stuff.

Yea I know but instead of buying more models he could get them painted pretty cheaply. Would make nicer tables anyway.

I am a bit like HBMC there I fear. I have a sizeable CSM army (now being adapted for 30k use), but very little of it is painted.

I dunno, I'd love to get it painted, but when I sit down with my paints and brushes something within me just snaps and I go back to wasting my time on Dakka instead.

I also just love building terrain.

 Bull0 wrote:

 bubber wrote:
As there's no points value any more, what's the point of play testing?

All sorts of reasons. Even if you buy into the idea that the game isn't at all balanced anymore because points are gone (tip: there are loads of balanced games that don't have points systems, and WFB wasn't balanced with points anyway)

I'm curious as to what these balanced games are that require no points values. Are they 'pick and play' games like AoS, or more like board games, where each team is pre-set to a very specific degree. Seems like points (or whatever you term the denomination of a model's value and effectiveness in a game) are there solely for providing a game with a variety of different pieces with a means of making it fair to all players. Can you provide some examples of these games? I am genuinely interested in learning more about the concept of having games that can function without any structure like points. I don't personally think AoS has figured it out, but they've taken a crack at it, and that's cool. I hope they can figure out a balancing mechanism for the game that works, as I have always loved the concept of 'play with whatever you want', but I have yet to see it really work.

 skullking wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 bubber wrote:
As there's no points value any more, what's the point of play testing?

All sorts of reasons. Even if you buy into the idea that the game isn't at all balanced anymore because points are gone (tip: there are loads of balanced games that don't have points systems, and WFB wasn't balanced with points anyway)

I'm curious as to what these balanced games are that require no points values. Are they 'pick and play' games like AoS, or more like board games, where each team is pre-set to a very specific degree. Seems like points (or whatever you term the denomination of a model's value and effectiveness in a game) are there solely for providing a game with a variety of different pieces with a means of making it fair to all players. Can you provide some examples of these games? I am genuinely interested in learning more about the concept of having games that can function without any structure like points. I don't personally think AoS has figured it out, but they've taken a crack at it, and that's cool. I hope they can figure out a balancing mechanism for the game that works, as I have always loved the concept of 'play with whatever you want', but I have yet to see it really work.

Some of us have figured it out. Basically what needs to happen for a 'Balanced Game' is both players need to talk to each other before the game and work out what they both want for the game and then put what looks like a balanced force on the table to the both of them. You also have to take in account things terrain and scenario when doing such.