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 Fajita Fan wrote:
Making Epic, given that almost all of their models are CADed anyway, shouldn’t be terribly difficult and I absolutely agree each box should come with several different models. It’s so much easier to downscale models rather than upscale.

You will get imperial titans only and like it!!!! They keep bleating about the “the horus heresy!!!” While GW is dismantling 30k piece by piece. It’s all rather strange

Slightly off topic, but considering the polar extremes of Titanicus and Kill Team...can anyone imagine a game where both are played in a connected manner?

Say there is an unmanned TItan in the titanicus game( the crew went out for a chinese and won't be back for a while. ) and two Kill Teams are trying to secure and commandeer it.

Has anyone tried this style of play before?

SamusDrake wrote:
Slightly off topic, but considering the polar extremes of Titanicus and Kill Team...can anyone imagine a game where both are played in a connected manner?

Say there is an unmanned TItan in the titanicus game( the crew went out for a chinese and won't be back for a while. ) and two Kill Teams are trying to secure and commandeer it.

Has anyone tried this style of play before?

That sounds fun!

I did get to play games like this, long long ago in my pre-marriage and kids days. There would be BFG games to break through and land troops (we used Torpedo rules as the landers) then have 40k and Epic scenarios. In one example, Colonel Schafer’s last chancers (an imperial guard kill team by modern standards) were attacking a Gargant production facility, trying to sneak through the Orks to plant charges on the half finished frame. (I had a half complete 40k gargant scratchbuild that was perfect for it) They were successful, so in the following epic game the Ork player had fewer points in the amount of the cost of one gargant.

I doubt I’ll ever have time and energy to do this again, but if you can make it happen, it can be amazing!

SamusDrake wrote:
Slightly off topic, but considering the polar extremes of Titanicus and Kill Team...can anyone imagine a game where both are played in a connected manner?

Say there is an unmanned TItan in the titanicus game( the crew went out for a chinese and won't be back for a while. ) and two Kill Teams are trying to secure and commandeer it.

Has anyone tried this style of play before?

One of my long-term wishlist things is to have a KillTeam board that represents the top deck of an Imperator. Attackers have to try to sabotage key systems, downing voids and causing body damage while Skitarii tech guard try to repel them.

We just need an AT scale Imperator...

SamusDrake wrote:
Slightly off topic, but considering the polar extremes of Titanicus and Kill Team...can anyone imagine a game where both are played in a connected manner?

Say there is an unmanned TItan in the titanicus game( the crew went out for a chinese and won't be back for a while. ) and two Kill Teams are trying to secure and commandeer it.

Has anyone tried this style of play before?

You could easily do this, and the game would be more fun if the Titan were manned.

Two (or more) Kill Teams trying to achieve objectives on a Titan - a Warlord would be plenty big - and the defense forces running by automated rules. Sounds great!

wildger wrote:
"AT group in FB broke 5k member limit. Biggest 40k group I have seen so far is 30k. Not too bad for busted game."

People are more interested in the models and painting aspects than the actual game play. It costs a lot to get into this game and I doubt very much that it will stand with time.

Seeing all br's there group seems to disagree with.

Plus 160e or so and you have good sized force to it that you can take to tournament so that would be equilavent to 2k 40k. Can you build 2k 40k army, especially decent one, for sub-200e? Yea real expensive


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 Stormatious wrote:
I feel this titanicus thing should be kept in its own "game" and should stay FAR away from us who have invested so much time and money in a certain games structure. I HATE scaling being incorrect and not realistic, that's just me of course but yeah. Why couldn't they just make the models normal 40k size and create a new game play specifically for what ever game play this titanicus involves, instead of doing some weird scale/game changing model crap...


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Give titanicus a little table in the corner of the room or some thing and ban it from the regular 40k table, and put a makeshift wall around it.

28mm is actually the odd can't decide what scale it wants to be. Too big for big battles(40k battle sizes are already too big for 28mm and 40k armies are not big), too small for super detailed size.

28mm titans are too big for titan vs titan games as 40k sized titans show. And now there's still possibility for 6mm infantry and tanks for proper big battles like in 40k fluff rather than paltry skirmish 28mm models allow


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 Scott-S6 wrote:
There are 40K scale titan models but they're huge and expensive (Warlord is 2feet tall and costs about £1300).

When I said "whole room" I meant that a table would need to be the size of the whole room so that Titanicus could be played at 40K scale.

Requiring a whole room to play, about £5K of models and a load of 2-3ft tall buildings for scenery makes it a tad impractical in 40K scale. But the models do exist so feel free to have at it if you like.

Well 5mx5m table. Good luck reaching center


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SamusDrake wrote:
Slightly off topic, but considering the polar extremes of Titanicus and Kill Team...can anyone imagine a game where both are played in a connected manner?

Say there is an unmanned TItan in the titanicus game( the crew went out for a chinese and won't be back for a while. ) and two Kill Teams are trying to secure and commandeer it.

Has anyone tried this style of play before?

Not 30k but in feb there's at/30k linked gaming day where games supposedly affect each other. No idea how it works. Will take Mortis there

SamusDrake wrote:
Slightly off topic, but considering the polar extremes of Titanicus and Kill Team...can anyone imagine a game where both are played in a connected manner?

Say there is an unmanned TItan in the titanicus game( the crew went out for a chinese and won't be back for a while. ) and two Kill Teams are trying to secure and commandeer it.

Has anyone tried this style of play before?

I think my GW did a BFG game followed by Zone Mortalis to represent the boarding action.

tneva82 wrote:

Well 5mx5m table. Good luck reaching center

You have a hatch in the middle. Simple and stormatious will be happy since there won't be any non-40K scale models making him confused and afraid. All of the "it's too expensive" complainers will be happy as well since they'll actually be correct.

For Titan boarding actions, I can recommend ‘Imperator; Wrath of the Omnissiah’

Nearly finished, and it’s a cracking read.

A KT battle on an Imperator would certainly be interesting. Feels a bit like The Guns of Navarone...

In terms of the fyootcha, and what it might bring? I’m mostly excited for new weapon systems. Things like missile variants (though perhaps not the old, trusty, Harpoon missile), Ursus Claws/Trident, Chaos Energy Whip, centre mounted Macro Cannon (canonical, thanks to Imperator, Wrath of the Omnissiah).


Things that open up the three existing classes, offering different ways to field them. Stuff that represents a change in strategy from ‘destroy’ to ‘capture’. Think Age of Sail ‘Prize’ money. Chaos Energy Whip fries the crew via MIU feedback. Trident pulls enemy Titans off their feet. Takes them out of the battle, but not beyond salvaging. After all, this is the biggest threat the Legios Titanicus have ever faced, and ain’t nobody really got the time to replace losses fully. Far better to capture enemy Titans and redediate them etc.

I also want to see the ‘lower’ tech weapons come in. Stuff like the humble wrecking ball. Why spend the resources patching up a Battle Claw, when you can just replace it with a massive wrecking ball?

From a narrative point of view, seeing a down on their luck Maniple equippped with basic weapons having to take on a fresh from the Forge Maniple could be really good fun. By all means, down on their luck should have some form of a Veteran crew, the shiny boys less so.

Mandragola wrote:
Man o’ war was kind of an ok game. It was never a big game for gw though. All the models apart from the war galleys in the starter set were metal (with plastic masts).

Most of the models for all GW games were metal at that point. Some armies might have had their single-part, single pose plastic base infantry available, but other than that, it was 1993, so metal all the way. It was a decade or more before having a mostly metal range was a sign that a game or army was "abandoned".

Man O' War was never a "specialist game"; it lasted longer than some of the other spin-offs as a "main range" game (sold in-store, WD coverage, etc), getting two boxed supplements.

When Necromunda, Blood Bowl, Mordheim, Inquisitor, Epic 40,000 and Battlefleet Gothic were hived off to Fanatic / Specialist Games (I can never remember which came first), Man O War had already gone. I think it was probably the number of card components and decks of playing cards required that made it uneconomical to support in reduced fashion (like Warhammer Quest). The others only really needed the rulebooks, and were often re-written to remove the need for specialist components (Necromunda lost the Sustained Fire dice, variable-damage weapons that didn't use a D6 and the old templates, for example). The exception would be Blood Bowl, but as I understand it, there was a thriving market supplying Block dice, templates and pitches, so it stayed viable.


The Warhammer Historical Trafalgar rules used elements of Man O War (and of Battlefleet Gothic, IIRC) but thankfully removed the need for a second table to hold all the huge ship record sheets you needed for that game.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For Titan boarding actions, I can recommend ‘Imperator; Wrath of the Omnissiah’

Nearly finished, and it’s a cracking read.

And Ian Watson's Space Marine but I suspect too many of you young 'uns might get confused.

Oh I’ve got that. Found it at work.

It’s.......odd. Very, very odd.


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As for Man’o’War, I really liked the ship cards!

I’m sure it could be streamlined and tweaked like, but I loved how smaller ships were harder to hit. Neatly represented the ‘aaaaand, roughty over there’ aiming of black powder cannon.

I've said it before, Battlefleet Gothic is perhaps a better representation of post-Age of Sail, pre-Deadnought naval combat than it is of space combat. (apart from the nova cannon and fighters).

I got a bit excited with the mention of "Ursus Claws" as I gave my battle group a grizzly bear sort of background( I do run away with the faries sometimes ). I had this cool image in my mind of a warhound sporting fashionable power claws...and then googling I find...harpoons?

I guess my mini-badasses are men of the sea now...

What's with all of the alarmist posts by this guy? "GW GAME A complete failure? News at 10!"

Personal grudge vs specialist games and wants to make them fail?

tneva82 wrote:
Personal grudge vs specialist games and wants to make them fail?

I think it's more likely he's trying to reconcile all the people posting about it in forums and on Facebook with the fact that nobody plays it in the US. It seems to be alive and well in the UK and most of Europe, but if you want a game in the US you're SOL. I'm 2 months into trying to find a single other person to play with and I've been posting on dakka, reddit, Facebook groups, asking people at the FLGS, etc.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1qg8goLa5od0eKuDo4CbDaez8_tBAmKJ-&fbclid=IwAR1sUNxJGp301oewqYELxs0-ysjf4gTzuDyXFOVcx9HULg_e7FF9e6diHg8&ll=44.58634846205657%2C-74.33005407499994&z=4

That isn't obviously even close to comprehensive(only 2 players in Finland? Hah. There's enough interest for potential 10 player tournament at least and that was asking 2 persons I knew from their locals and I know for sure there's ~5 persons who have been buying models from 3rd city and another city far from these 3 is setting up event so likely players there...)

Maybe try asking from AT communities rather than 40k/AOS?

 Toofast wrote:
It seems to be alive and well in the UK

Is this based on the usual logic of "our group of 3 plays it regularly. So it IS alive and well!"?

I've seen nowhere stock it.
Nowhere sell what stock it does have.
Nobody plays it.
Very little discussion.
And even fewer posted painted models (granted that is something becoming allot less popular in GW circles)

 Toofast wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Personal grudge vs specialist games and wants to make them fail?

I think it's more likely he's trying to reconcile all the people posting about it in forums and on Facebook with the fact that nobody plays it in the US. It seems to be alive and well in the UK and most of Europe, but if you want a game in the US you're SOL. I'm 2 months into trying to find a single other person to play with and I've been posting on dakka, reddit, Facebook groups, asking people at the FLGS, etc.

That's a shame, because AT is pretty ace.

Titan Battlegroup has put a serious dent in the start up cost as well.


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Again, Valentinegames. Go on Facebook. Thriving community is thriving. Especially for a game that's what, barely 6 months old at the very, very most?

Darksphere stock it. Element stock it. Wayland stock it. Alchemist Games stock it.

Could it be that you don't see it in stock because it sells out fairly quickly??

You say 'nobody plays it'. Evidence for that if you please. Proper citation. As in, clear, irrefutable evidence that nobody is playing the game. In your own time. I can wait

ValentineGames wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
It seems to be alive and well in the UK

Is this based on the usual logic of "our group of 3 plays it regularly. So it IS alive and well!"?

I've seen nowhere stock it.
Nowhere sell what stock it does have.
Nobody plays it.
Very little discussion.
And even fewer posted painted models (granted that is something becoming allot less popular in GW circles)

Or howabout large number of people posting their models and games across the world. UK, europe, US...

But yeah. Your FLGS has no gaming so it's obviously dead. And dakkadakka that's mostly 40k has little threads and it's dead. Let's ignore thriving AT dedicated communities etc. Those are only imagination.

In my local area it's pretty dead. My LGS sold through it's initial stock/preorders quite quickly but then very little of the other releases have had similar numbers of sales and I've never seen it played aside from the weekend of release. Plenty of other games are going strong but AT seems to have fallen on its face a bit over here.

ValentineGames wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
It seems to be alive and well in the UK

Is this based on the usual logic of "our group of 3 plays it regularly. So it IS alive and well!"?

I've seen nowhere stock it.
Nowhere sell what stock it does have.
Nobody plays it.
Very little discussion.
And even fewer posted painted models (granted that is something becoming allot less popular in GW circles)

It's on stock and selling (out) at the 8 stores I frequent here in Madrid.

Did no-one else notice the contradiction?

Nowhere stocks it.
Places that stock it aren't selling it.

Both of those can't be true.

We just didn't want to address the elephant in the room. It is kinda rude to it :p

There's been at least one tournament over here in the last two weeks (one at Quimera Games and I think another one at Goblintrader, both in Madrid). I am personally not a fan, but credit where credit's due (plus, even I ended up caving in and I bought two battlegroup deals, although for use with Epic).

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 Bosskelot wrote:
In my local area it's pretty dead. My LGS sold through it's initial stock/preorders quite quickly but then very little of the other releases have had similar numbers of sales and I've never seen it played aside from the weekend of release. Plenty of other games are going strong but AT seems to have fallen on its face a bit over here.

Do you think the release of titan death will do anything to breath more life into this game? There is supposed to be a 2019 reprint of the big box right?

Pancakey wrote:

 Bosskelot wrote:
In my local area it's pretty dead. My LGS sold through it's initial stock/preorders quite quickly but then very little of the other releases have had similar numbers of sales and I've never seen it played aside from the weekend of release. Plenty of other games are going strong but AT seems to have fallen on its face a bit over here.

Do you think the release of titan death will do anything to breath more life into this game? There is supposed to be a 2019 reprint of the big box right?

I know I heard something about the GME box being reprinted in 2019, probably for a limited amount again but at least it gives people a second chance to pick up a good starter.
To be fair, there are already good ways to get into the game with the maniple bundles, separate ruleset etc but a big old box always attracts!

While it sold out last August, it was practically roasted alive for being £175, so I'd be surprised if there wasn't some changes to the GME. Most likely a boxed edition of the Princeps Collection which is already £160 from the website...