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I would like to start off with, I hope this is the correct forum.
I was watching Blazing Saddles of ye old and I noticed the SoB insiginia.

It's in the scene with the dancing german, her screen has the SoB insiginia.
Did they copy this or is it from history?

You mean the fleur de lis??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-lis

Ya, a little history behind it

Do you mean the Fleur de lis?

The developers at GW were huge fans of Blazing Saddles, developed the Sisters' logo as an homage to Lili von Schtupp, and the symbol has existed ever since...

/sarcasm

MajorTom11 wrote:You mean the fleur de lis??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-lis

Ya, a little history behind it

They invented the skull though, it's their copyright I'm sure of it.

Yeah they invented the Inquisition, the Crusades, the Lasgun, Tanks, and the Emperor as well.

GW is inspired by a great deal of things, both of fiction and of fact, which makes it that much better of a universe to play in because there is always something, someone can relate to... if only we had more women sympathetic to the idea of senseless bloodshed and grimdarkness to enjoy the the fleur de lis as much as the rest of us. (I've got to admit, its an awesome symbol).

I...do people SERIOUSLY not know the symbol? I don't mean the meaning, but they don't recognize it from anywhere else?

I am suddenly very depressed.

curran12 wrote:I...do people SERIOUSLY not know the symbol? I don't mean the meaning, but they don't recognize it from anywhere else?

You mean like as the symbol from a certain sports team if you're an American?

The Girl Guides have a football team?

Yes, yes they do, and they help fund it with cookie sales.

Zakiriel wrote:Yes, yes they do, and they help fund it with cookie sales.

Cookie sales and bounty programs.

Platuan4th wrote:

Zakiriel wrote:Yes, yes they do, and they help fund it with cookie sales.

Cookie sales and bounty programs.

I'd cripple your quarterback for some thin mints.

Quebec.

It used to feature on quite a few coat of arms of England as well. Kids and their history these days...

How do people not know where that symbol is from? Clearly Bretonnians started it...

Aerethan's avatar is Fleur De Lis

I can decipher it xD

Aerethan wrote:How do people not know where that symbol is from? Clearly Bretonnians started it...

Hell, I've been saying that for years...

LunaHound wrote:Aerethan's avatar is Fleur De Lis

I can decipher it xD

That's funny, I never looked at it like that. Trust me, the origin behind my avatar is far geekier than some old french nonsense.

I know :'P just saying the flow of the design lines , the energy is shaped around fleur de lise xD

almost like watching those air tunnels.

azazel the cat wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Zakiriel wrote:Yes, yes they do, and they help fund it with cookie sales.

Cookie sales and bounty programs.

I'd cripple your quarterback for some thin mints.

I'd cripple your head coach for some samoas.

Platuan4th wrote:You mean like as the symbol from a certain sports team if you're an American?

The New Orleans Sisters of Battle?

Howard A Treesong wrote:They invented the skull though, it's their copyright I'm sure of it.

Roman numerals too.

And chevrons.

lol, if it helps I knew what it was before I saw it on SOBs

:3

And roman numerals on chevrons placed over skulls?

Or does that qualify as a derivative work?

d-usa wrote:It used to feature on quite a few coat of arms of England as well. Kids and their history these days...

At that point the English Royalty were very closely related to the French Royalty...
England also owned a fair amount of Northern France...

d-usa wrote:It used to feature on quite a few coat of arms of England as well. Kids and their history these days...

To clarify, the fleur-de-lys is the emblem of the kings of France; its presence of the royal arms of England dates to the claim (through his mother, sister to Charles IV of France, who died without issue) to the throne of France by Edward III of England, and its disappearance from the arms to George III's formal cessation of that claim in 1801 (which had by then become wholly nominal, since the claim had not been militarily pressed in two centuries, and France had, in any case, since become a republic). It should be noted also that the claim to be rightful kings of France (which comprised only the area immediately surrounding Paris) was entirely separate from the English monarchy's other possessions in what is now France, which were their inheritance as dukes of Normandy, Brittany, Aquitaine, etc.

English Assassin wrote:

d-usa wrote:It used to feature on quite a few coat of arms of England as well. Kids and their history these days...

To clarify, the fleur-de-lys is the emblem of the kings of France; its presence of the royal arms of England dates to the claim (through his mother, sister to Charles IV of France, who died without issue) to the throne of France by Edward III of England, and its disappearance from the arms to George III's formal cessation of that claim in 1801 (which had by then become wholly nominal, since the claim had not been militarily pressed in two centuries, and France had, in any case, since become a republic). It should be noted also that the claim to be rightful kings of France (which comprised only the area immediately surrounding Paris) was entirely separate from the English monarchy's other possessions in what is now France, which were their inheritance as dukes of Normandy, Brittany, Aquitaine, etc.

I was commenting more on the whole "OMG, I saw the SoB symbol in a movie, was it inspired by GW?" post at the beginning of this thread, and by looking at the flag of the OP I was simply questioning how somebody could live in England and never have come in contact with that symbol.


That was the main point of my post really. Although I have it on good authority that the Duke of Bavaria is the true king of England.

Fleur de lys used to be a symbol of French royalty, if I recall correctly. This is entirely speculation, but I suspect it was used in order to play up the Joan of Arc-like thematic nature of the Sisters of Battle.

No, Mel Brooks has probably never touched 40k in his life. Though if he made a 40k parody movie it would be the most hilarious thing ever.

It may be shocking to all of us knowledgeable people that someone can live in England and not know the symbol, but cut the guy some slack. There are lots and lots of cultures within our culture and not everyone can know everything nowadays. And he asked. Asking is the best thing people can do, and telling them they were stupid when they asked something is always the wrong answer, no matter how shocking the lack of knowledge behind the question may seem; after all, it is to remedy this lack that he is asking in the first place.

"I'd like to offer a laurel and hardy handshake to our new...Battle Sisters insignia."

It's also the international symbol for the Boy Scouts.