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A drop pod of hostile Space Marines crash land in a remote part of your country (edit: with rugged terrain).
They are armed as such:
Sergeant with plasma pistol, melta bombs, teleport homer and power fists.
1 Marine with Plasma cannon
1 Marine with Melta gun
7 Marines with standard armament
The Marines have rigged the teleport homer to make electronic tracking of the unit difficult. What size of force from your country would need to send defeat them? (without it being overkill)
I am from the US so I would say:
5 Bradley Fighting Vehicles, each containing a special forces team
2 M1 Abrams Tanks
3 AH-64 Apache Helicopters
3 Black Hawk Helicopters each containing a special forces team
1 M270 MLRS
2 M109 Howitzers
I would be close but thing we would win
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The Helicopters would be target practise for the bolters of the marines and the Howitzers/MLRS would more or less need direct hits to do damage. Meanwhile, the Plasma Cannon would be very lethal against the tanks, even at range. It more or less comes down to whether the tanks spot the Astartes before they're shot or not. I also imagine that directly hitting a target that's roughly the size of a small bear with an anti-tank round from a tank is quite hard, especially as the target will be moving.
As for my own country, it's either loads of infantry armed with Carl Gustaf anti-tank missile launchers or some sort of air strike. With how sparsely some parts of Sweden is, though, they could well be in one of our cities before we're even aware they exist, and no nation on Earth beats Astartes in urban combat without nuking them, which is cheating.
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The Tanks can fire on the move at a distance of 2KM-3KM and the Apaches can fire a hellfire missile from distances up to 10KM when a target is laser designated. The Marines will likely fall to long distance firepower.
The Special Forces will get chewed up since their standard armament fires a 5.56mm (.223 caliber) round which will not be sufficient to take out a Space Marine let alone penetrate their armor.
If I has a choice just carpet bomb the area or use the MLRS to wipe out an entire square Kilometer. Large area non guided munitions would be the safest and most sure bet to kill the Marines.
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And just how are you going to locate them in the first place when they're jamming electronic surveillance? Sure, an A-10 or a Spectre could probably feth them up if they were out in the open, but suppose they're in a forest? We need more info about where they drop before we default to air strikes (which I should've thought of before posting my first post )
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AlmightyWalrus wrote:And just how are you going to locate them in the first place when they're jamming electronic surveillance? Sure, an A-10 or a Spectre could probably feth them up if they were out in the open, but suppose they're in a forest? We need more info about where they drop before we default to air strikes (which I should've thought of before posting my first post )
Heavily firebomb the entire 100 mile square area. Dodge that.
....overkill?
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NORAD Is going to pick up their drop pod when it enters the atmosphere and from that you will be able to locate them with drones or satellite imagery.
We have more then just one means to do surveillance that doesn't require electronics
And he stated that tracking them would be difficult, not impossible
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TheRobotLol wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:And just how are you going to locate them in the first place when they're jamming electronic surveillance? Sure, an A-10 or a Spectre could probably feth them up if they were out in the open, but suppose they're in a forest? We need more info about where they drop before we default to air strikes (which I should've thought of before posting my first post )
Heavily firebomb the entire 100 mile square area. Dodge that.
....overkill?
That was my solutions
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NuclearMessiah wrote:NORAD Is going to pick up their drop pod when it enters the atmosphere and from that you will be able to locate them with drones or satellite imagery.
We have more then just one means to do surveillance that doesn't require electronics
And he stated that tracking them would be difficult, not impossible
So your examples of stuff that doesn't use electronic surveillance are satellites, that use electronics, and drones, that use electronics?
As for firebombing, you'd get them out in the open, but Power Armour's partially ceramic. I don't see firebombing killing them, but it'd be way easier to find them and use weapons that will.
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Their magical box can only block wireless tech, good old cable if fine and can only be disrupted by cutting the cable, secondly I'm pretty sure that most goverments have high tech spy and recon satilites that are so powerful they can see what news paper your reading.
One one in their right mind would send in grund troops before you've at lest tried the short/mid/long range air strikes. Only then would you send in the ground pounders and in huge numbers just to be sure of containment
Also without aerial support or orbital assets the marines are just boned, no way around it.
They were put at a huge disadvantage by being in a remote location which allows the military to use less restraint in their response.
However if they ended up in a populated area, then things become more sticky
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
NuclearMessiah wrote:NORAD Is going to pick up their drop pod when it enters the atmosphere and from that you will be able to locate them with drones or satellite imagery.
We have more then just one means to do surveillance that doesn't require electronics
And he stated that tracking them would be difficult, not impossible
So your examples of stuff that doesn't use electronic surveillance are satellites, that use electronics, and drones, that use electronics?
As for firebombing, you'd get them out in the open, but Power Armour's partially ceramic. I don't see firebombing killing them, but it'd be way easier to find them and use weapons that will.
There is a difference in electronic surveillance and taking a picture. And unless their magical homer had infinite range, it would be hard pressed to stop a satellite hovering 25 miles above their heads. I have 8 and a half years in the service Your going to argue till your face is blue with me on this one
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NuclearMessiah wrote:NORAD Is going to pick up their drop pod when it enters the atmosphere and from that you will be able to locate them with drones or satellite imagery.
We have more then just one means to do surveillance that doesn't require electronics
And he stated that tracking them would be difficult, not impossible
Unless NORAD can track something travelling at mach 25+, he pod would hit the ground just fine. afterwards is a WHOLE new bag o' monkeys....
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Oh my, I forgot about the grandaddy of the cold war. Are there any of them sill in use? If so not bad for an old warhorse thats clocking up 60/70 years in the sky.
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To think, a plane that had a projected life of 15/20 years is still soldering on way after its borthers and sisters of the time have been scraped or put in museums.
They don't make'em like they used to
NuclearMessiah wrote:NORAD Is going to pick up their drop pod when it enters the atmosphere and from that you will be able to locate them with drones or satellite imagery.
We have more then just one means to do surveillance that doesn't require electronics
And he stated that tracking them would be difficult, not impossible
Unless NORAD can track something travelling at mach 25+, he pod would hit the ground just fine. afterwards is a WHOLE new bag o' monkeys....
NORAD can, they tracked a test vehicle booking it at around Mach 32.
And considering that the drop pod is gonna be a pretty light in the sky falling to earth, pretty sure if that NORAD doesn't pick it, some chump(s) on the ground will, might take a look for themselves, might call it in. In the end, just have to follow the trail of bodies.
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Send in special forces/SEALS to locate but not engage. They can laser designate at over a mile distant, and call in heavy artillery and air support. A squadron of Apaches should have the firepower to easily handle a squad of marines, their chain guns alone are roughly equal to assault cannons.
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The way I read the OP I assumed the Beacon would jam any wireless thingies, causing the drones to lose contact with the pilot. I guess you're right about the satellites, although, again, that won't help much if they're anywhere they can get cover.
Regarding the firebombing: I'm going to commit a cardinal sin and use in-game stats in a fluff conversation. The Hellstorm bombs dropped by a Marauder is AP3, the minimum required to penetrate Power Armour, and that's with a direct hit. Considering that's tech 38k more advanced than ours, and that Space Marines are more powerful in fluff than on the TT, I don't see firebombs doing anything more than exposing their position, which in turn let's us hit them with ordnance. Assuming the jamming works as I interpreted, cruise missiles wouldn't do much though.
If they're in a forest, just use the ultimate incendiary weapon and nuke the fethers!
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AlmightyWalrus wrote:The way I read the OP I assumed the Beacon would jam any wireless thingies, causing the drones to lose contact with the pilot. I guess you're right about the satellites, although, again, that won't help much if they're anywhere they can get cover.
Regarding the firebombing: I'm going to commit a cardinal sin and use in-game stats in a fluff conversation. The Hellstorm bombs dropped by a Marauder is AP3, the minimum required to penetrate Power Armour, and that's with a direct hit. Considering that's tech 38k more advanced than ours, and that Space Marines are more powerful in fluff than on the TT, I don't see firebombs doing anything more than exposing their position, which in turn let's us hit them with ordnance. Assuming the jamming works as I interpreted, cruise missiles wouldn't do much though.
If they're in a forest, just use the ultimate incendiary weapon and nuke the fethers!
Cruise missile just travel to a point that is designated by GPS coordinates. Also satellites can see in thermal vision as well
Automatically Appended Next Post: Anyways I think its a consensus that they could be taken out pretty easily out in remote areas.
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And the jamming comes into play when the marines move and the coordinates need updating. I'd totally forgotten thermal imaging, although that wouldn't go very well with firebombing I guess.
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Having them come down in a city would be the real challenge.
Remote area? Really, no issues with our resources. Well not ours (Canada) but you know what I mean. Send a sniper squad some kilometer away and have a training exercise. If sniper rounds can pierce tanks I'm sure a SM can't handle more than a few. Especially since this squad you outlined has no long range fire power and move slowly with no cover (remote area).
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